Most Ancient Civilizations Point to HOAs Origin????

[CaliTedesse]

We know about the Ancient Egyptians, but also the SUMERIANS?????

 

[Apollo]

This does not seem like a legitimate source. This author uses too many pseudoscientific racialist words. I doubt he is a well-regarded expert.

Always do your due diligence when it comes to authors.

 

[CaliTedesse]

This does not seem like a legitimate source. This author uses too many pseudoscientific racialist words. I doubt he is a well-regarded expert.

Always do your due diligence when it comes to authors.

He does mention Sir Harry Johnston


Sir Henry Hamilton Johnston GCMG KCB (12 June 1858 – 31 July 1927), frequently known as Harry Johnston, was a British explorer who traveled widely in Africa, botanist, artist, colonial administrator and linguist who spoke many African languages. He published 40 books on African subjects and was one of the key players in the Scramble for Africa that occurred at the end of the 19th century.

 

[Apollo]

^ Europeans from the 1800s / early 1900s were wrong on many things. I would stick to modern authors, especially those who publish peer-reviewed stuff and are respected in their field. This does not seem like a quality source.

 

[CaliTedesse]

^ Europeans from the 1800s / early 1900s were wrong on many things. I would stick to modern authors, especially those who publish peer-reviewed stuff and are respected in their field. This does not seem like a quality source.

true it does not seem like a quality source but I find work from the 1800 and 1900 at times more reliable than modern work because modern work is too racially biased while in past people were more direct on matters forreal akhi

 

[James Dahl]

Yeah some real skull measuring going on there

 

[pablo]

He’s right.

 

[CaliTedesse]

I feel there is some underlying truth to it wallahi billahi @pablo its amazing how he knew Jews look kind of Ethiopic with their Kinky hair.

@Apollo What is your explanation on Jews looking kind of mixed race

 

[Apollo]

@Apollo What is your explanation on Jews looking kind of mixed race

Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are only 3% Sub-Saharan African, that's not a lot.

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373

There are many Afro-Arabs in Southern Iraq, especially around Basra/Kuwait and many of the Arabs there have slave trade era (Middle Ages) admixture and are not the same as the Ancient Sumerians (4,000 BCE) who likely had none to under 3% SSA.

 

[CaliTedesse]

Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews are only 3% Sub-Saharan African, that's not a lot.

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373

There are many Afro-Arabs in Southern Iraq, especially around Basra/Kuwait and many of the Arabs there have slave trade era (Middle Ages) admixture and are not the same as the Ancient Sumerians (4,000 BCE) who likely had none to under 3% SSA.

Levantine groups harbor 4%–15% African ancestry with an average mixture date of about 32 generations ago, consistent with close political, economic, and cultural links with Egypt in the late middle ages.

Those are tests on current modern people does that mean generations ago they probably had more African ancestry????

 

[Apollo]

Levantine groups harbor 4%–15% African ancestry with an average mixture date of about 32 generations ago, consistent with close political, economic, and cultural links with Egypt in the late middle ages.

Those are tests on current modern people does that mean generations ago they probably had more African ancestry????

Muslim Levantines and Iraqis mixed with black slaves over the past few centuries. Ancient Levantines had much less SSA than them. This is a common thing all over the Arab world (modern Muslim populations there have more SSA than their ancient counterparts).

 

[CaliTedesse]

Muslim Levantines and Iraqis mixed with black slaves over the past few centuries. Ancient Levantines had much less SSA than them. This is a common thing all over the Arab world (modern Muslim populations there have more SSA than their ancient counterparts).

And why do you assume all of it is from slaves?

 

[Apollo]

And why do you assume all of it is from slaves?

It all started after Islam when Arabians got dhows able to reach Zanzibar. Before that time it did not exist in the Middle East. It is obvious how it got there.

Long story short, Sumerians were less African/Black than today's Iraqis, which pretty much debunks the original post and source.

 

[madaxweyne]

It all started after Islam when Arabians got dhows able to reach Zanzibar. Before that time it did not exist in the Middle East. It is obvious.

Long story short, Sumerians were less African/Black than today's Iraqis.

I really don't think those small percentages changes the outlook of the entire population
Am pretty sure they still look like their ancient counterparts

 

[Apollo]

I really don't think those small percentages changes the outlook of the entire population
Am pretty sure they still look like their ancient counterparts

That dumb European guy quoted in the OP probably saw some Afro-Arabs in South Iraq and then thought it came from the Sumerians, which is pretty stupid, IMO.

 

[Pastoralite]

Aren’t mandeans the closest ethnic group to the ancient sumerians?

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

And why do you assume all of it is from slaves?

The Islamic period witnessed massive amounts of enslaved Sub-Saharan Africans enter the North African, South Asian and Middle-Eastern countries.

Before Islam, there were hardly any Blacks in North Africa, South Asia and the Middle-East. I believe Ancient Egypt was probably the Pre-Islamic nation that had the most extensive contact with SSA people(Kushites, Nilotes) through war, enslavement and trade. When Islam came, the flood gates opened for the SSA peoples.

 

[Apollo]

The Islamic period witnessed massive amounts of enslaved Sub-Saharan Africans enter the North African, South Asian and Middle-Eastern countries.

Before Islam, there were hardly any Blacks in North Africa, South Asia and the Middle-East. I believe Ancient Egypt was probably the Pre-Islamic nation that had the most extensive contact with SSA people(Nilotes) through war, enslavement and trade. When Islam came, the flood gates opened for the SSA peoples.

Pax Arabica caused the first SSA expansion into West Eurasia. Today, European Liberalism is causing the second wave of which we are part.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Pax Arabica caused the first SSA expansion into West Eurasia. Today, European Liberalism is causing the second wave of which we are part.

True, the Arabian Dominant Order over West Asia, North Africa and South Asia was very similar to the Spanish dominant Order in the New World.

Arabian slave trade is always looked over.

 

[madaxweyne]

True, the Arabian Dominant Order over West Asia, North Africa and South Asia was very similar to the Spanish dominant Order in the New World.

Arabian slave trade is always looked over.

I wouldn't say that turks where known to dominate that since the early 10th century
So mostly a turkic muslim west Asian dominion they had presidence over south asia middle East horn of africa and North africa