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@SULTAN1 Monarchy requires functioning kingdoms that have social order, heirachy of aristocrats of superior class among them be it Isimo-Odayo Dhaqameed that reports to a kingdom, it needs a penal code(xeer) and a conflict resolution body(nabadoon) at the top echelon of it's society who make decisions for that clan, if this unfunctioning or absent it's not possible to merge kingdoms.

Darod merged into 'darod kingdom' and if their was any functioning kingdom in Somalia we would merge into 'Somali kingdom' but get the message there is no functioning kingdom with Somalis to merge with. So I am suprised we are merging with their civilian class under republican system of 'civilians' how that is workable in your eyes shocks me.

I could technically create a 'state' with Darods since we have 'unified monarchy' at the top of our society and a social order beneath it, this would take 'seconds' to create representative govt of that Monarchy as head of state and the political class then would create the 'govt/courts/parliament structure' following a democratic and district based system with the monarchy having full 'authorization' power, notice their role isn't political or competing they are just the signature u need for anything to be done in the land or society since the land and society are under them, so they will sign off and u go run a-long and simply do it, heck maybe if it's day to day tasks the monarch can delegate that without royal ascension needed and only time royal ascention is needed is in major war, land matters, or any major social or national decision and stay out of the day to day operations like most monarchy are today.

A monarchy is the only suitable govt for Somalis since they hav strong influence and this idea that u will 'destroy' this thru republican system and create 'somali citizenry' u will be here another 200 years as it's not going anywhere and u need to accomodate it and place it where it belong as head of state and the govt-courts-parliament an institution only below it. This will finally bring peace and order in Somalia with power finally defined in history and also justified on ground realities rather then bring some citizen every 4 years from the society and watch him never have power over anything as he struggles to come to grips with his full power on paper when his only an institution himself relying on the monarchy approval so rather then write constitutions that reflect 'americans' maybe starting writing ones that reflect the ground reality and history.
 

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@SULTAN1 A monarchy is critical for societies who had pre-modern state social order or else it would lead to a clash or war like it did for America between citizens vs royalty which is the only time it happened or Italy who voted to end their monarchy and adopt a republic, the rest of the globe still has either full monarchy or partial monarchy either way as head of state and the old social order is quite intact.

Their power differs between various kingdoms with some absolute and full like the GULF and others are 'shared' like the Europeans. The European model of monarchy suits Somalia not the 'absolute' one where the govt/parliament/courts form as highest institution in the land outside the monarchy, so they will have jurisdiction over the citizens and every other institution but will need to 'ascend' major decision making for royal approval like war, instability, land matters, foreign policy and have full powers around service delivery-taxation-education-health-infrastructure. They can pass laws also concerning those 'areas' but not concerning 'areas' assigned to the 'monarch' will require royal 'authorization'.

That is semi monarch semi republic govt with duties not 'clashing' but clearly defined in the constitution what is for the monarchy and what is for the govt, so now Somalis can be at peace that no nacas will ever have full power and is limited in their duties due to the royal house having jurisidiction over 'major' matters and 'day to day' matters are for the govt-courts-parliament watch Somalis end the civil war in seconds.

The govt becomes more like a 'business' now or 'school' or 'mosque' where it has more power then those institutions but at very limited scope due to the monarchy having major decision matters in their hand. Somalis fear an all powerful govt not so much an all powerful monarch as they respect them and trust their judgement more then some peasant civilian with 4 years of unweilding power which won't sit well with their ancient culture.

I mean 'governed' Somalis as their needs to be made distinction between 'clans that are governed' and clans with no 'governance' inside them as this is one of the fundamental reason for 'tribalism' to arise as we don't trust the other clans since they don't have a history of governance inside themselves. It's like asking PL to trust Mogadishu n South govt today, well clans are no different, we simply have no trust in other clans who are un-governed which leads to the 'qabiil' squabbles on power.

The ungoverned clans want power for 'status' and 'point scoring' where-as governed clans want power so un-governed clans don't ruin it Hence a qabiil war with two differing agendas is occurring since both are advanced clans and primitive clans, cultured clans, uncultured clans, developed clans, undeveloped clans. Clan is broad 'term' like 'nations' sure the world is full of nations but their not exactly all 'equal' in their development right? clans are no different as not all are equal in their historical/social/political/economic development. If clans were countries today, Darods wud be like Europeans and Hawiye and Isaaq like the Saudis/Gulf areas who only developed under European guidance and hence Hawiye/Isaaq also need the same as it can't happen the other way around, history is written n unchanged, the 'dynasties' of their old world government is still alive in darod clans no matter how small or large waxay gaban hogaan, isimo, nabadoon, xeer, social order inside their citizenry such as warriors-merchants-nomads-farmers-politicians-fishermen-academics.

These social classses are even united under 'dallads' or 'houses' themselves with the same heirachy and leader principle and 'commitee' below it similar to aristocrats/oday dhaqameed/isimo are for the kings, u will see this identical structure no matter where in PL and Darod as wide. U will not see this in other clans and why it's paramount King Burhan leads the monarchy of Somalia

Let this man jet-fly representing the ancient somalia governance and aristocracy and various social class systems and speak with his peers worldwide while hiding hawiye/isaaq under the house 'somali' like queen elizabeth does with Irish. Look how Irish r respected now by being under the queen, before they were despised like hawiye n isaaq are ileen hada calool boqortoyo bay galeen, hawiye iyo isaaqna waa inay caloshasi iska galan oo aysan la dagalamin oo waqtigi ku si dheeran.

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If we have a monarchy then marehan would be the boqors. Passed down since maxamed daud the greatest darood boqor. Ruler of sanaag, bari, mudug and harar. Then the other emir of somalis during harar times. Current darood boqors are new blood and upstarts. We should go back to old blood.
 

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@Sultaan everyone loves kings, their warriors, they earned their respect by being bravest man in society and being crowned for it, trust me Boqor Burhan family did really earn their 'spot' by being the top 'dog' for centuries in Bari and ousting any contender be within osman mahmoud-ali saleban-warsangeli in many famous ancient wars.

He was crowned King of Darod not thru war since this was 'merging' of kingdoms like the UK and done with full acknowledgement that he is the superior kingdom and will lead the darod kingdom and also the 'eldest' of Darod. Now we just need Somalis as a whole to fall under him and his guidance not 'merge' since there is nothing to merge with them as they only have 'tribal elders' with 'xeer' only and nabadoon and no ancient government among themselves, they need to be subjectated this disorderly society like the irish were and fall under the royal house.

Royals are stiff lipped, direct, and no nonsense as they know the world as 'cawaan or dhaqan' cultured or uncultured is the only classification the kingdom views the world and cultured requires knowledge, poetry, sophisicated class order of warriors, merchants, academics, politicians, nomads, farmers, coastal people, it requires a culture to exist and once that is absent so are all those social classes like u see in Hawiye-Isaaq today as their like 1% at the social development rate of Darods kkkkkk due to no kingdom structure to begin a culture of excellence.

Power is vested into the 'dynasty' of 'royal blood' not a silly 'office in villa somalia' is the royal motto, power is vested in blood-line and inheritance not from republican class-less citizens empowering an empty office with full power like some 'wax qaawan' office kkkk that flip flops constantly with different people and heads nowhere
 
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Ninyahow Saldanada waa soo jireen dhaqanka ma galo dheel dheel iyo ciyaar the last say in any nasaab community is the King.

The man in the middle is Ugaas Mohamed and to his left is Boqor Burhan.
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@Dues Ex Machete a modern nation state is easy to create as long as powers r defined between who is the final authority and it's clearly the isimo representatives of their kingdoms. The final authority isn't the office of villa somalia, the mosque, the parliament all these people are enpowering themselves as 'citizens' with powers that was never vested into them and why u will see constant clash between clans n state as the state isn't defined in the way the society is set up with their ancient social order still far more respected and important then any new 'social' contract based on citizen power will ever do, this inevitable clash will continue for a long time untill the question is answered around who is the authority, is it the people or the kings, this totally inconsistent with Somali culture with the people in power and the kings are relegated to civilians.

That's why their is a-lot of mistrust between civilians as power is up for grabs and anyone can 'reach' it due to the republican motto of the 'people' being the power where-as in Darod culture it's the isimo-oday dhaqameed-and their respect kings that is the power, it's total 'flip' on our system where it's telling us we have more power then our sultanates thru office in 'villa somalia' kkkk called the govt and it's an 'empty' office remember as all power waxaa lagu aruriyay hal qol oo eber ah oo waxaa la yiri ninki galo xafiskasi ayaa leh awooda dalka iyo inta kale waa shacab aan awood lahayn.

This is equivalent of vacating our kingdom seat and saying to our clans niinka roon oo shacab ah ayaa la wareegi karto kursiga saldanada and having them compete constantly for the saldanad role, this will cause social collapse and mistrust to begin among the civilians ileen kursigasi waa kursi awood la siiyay waan 'eber' which means constant thug-fest between people like u see in America, which will lead to new 'social groups' to develop like race, religion, political idealogy and the shit-fest continues because this idea of class-less society isn't ever going to happen of one somali or one american or australian or whatever nonsense republican shit, it just spirals into new social group divisions and camps to form
 
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It's simple building a nation state however you need the human capital for it to flourish and be implemented.

You were in Mogadishu in 98' so you know what the human capital of the moryaans were. Do you think they will be able to help in building a modern nation state or will they be an impediment to progress. You should make a podcast regarding this question.
 

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@DR OSMAN

It's simple building a nation state however you need the human capital for it to flourish and be implemented.

You were in Mogadishu in 98' so you know what the human capital of the moryaans were. Do you think they will be able to help in building a modern nation state or will they be an impediment to progress. You should make a podcast regarding this question.

Yes I won't forget my time in Mogadishu in 98, it was the most shocking experience in my life. Green lines everywhere, moryans everywhere, no parliament/police/courts/govt not even 'local' one kkkkkk, everything was 'dark' and ppl were using 'kerosene' lamps as the electricity was looted and sold, the toilets stunk and wouldn't flush which was my first 'shocking encounter' as they said all the pipelines were removed in the city and the 'house sewer lines' are connected to nothing anymore. Every building looked like something like nuclear bomb hit it, especially PUBLIC and Large Private buildings(aruba oo kale) were totally decimated. All the roads were destroyed and turned into 'sandy dunes' and shit where each vehicle felt like it was going up n down into deep hole and then back up again over 'small' distances also so it was literally everywhere. This is the biggest reason I am anti hawiye rule, I saw what it can lead too in 98, wallahi qabiil neceb igama aha, but I don't want anyone having to relive that lifestyle.

I was a 13 year old kid wandering around this place in absolute 'awe' and felt like it was like 'nightmare' and not real life at all and I would wake up but everyday I woke up it was the same. All khat heads in the town, only a 'few' schools functioning to develop human capital and skills and future wealth which were very low standard but their were lots of 'quranic' ones not sure how that's gonna make them wealthh but they still went kkkkk.

What shocked me the most was the 'militia' boys, these guys were given measly 'khat' and small 'payment' considering how much the warlord was getting from all the extortion rackets in bakaraha on businesses, checkpoints on vehicles/trucks, airport which ironically they agreed to close down aden adde/port due to them not agreeing on who controls it, it would've lead to more blood-shed basically, imagine that SHUTTING down national infrastructure for the people over who controls it and having all them suffer and use 'ceel macaan' and shit.

I will never forget my experience there and maybe we should have some sort of Somali diaspora and Local forum recounting this to people so they never make the same mistake, I wud love to hear stories from people living in that dark-era as warning to the future to learn from.
 
Yes I won't forget my time in Mogadishu in 98, it was the most shocking experience in my life. Green lines everywhere, moryans everywhere, no parliament/police/courts/govt not even 'local' one kkkkkk, everything was 'dark' and ppl were using 'kerosene' lamps as the electricity was looted and sold, the toilets stunk and wouldn't flush which was my first 'shocking encounter' as they said all the pipelines were removed in the city and the 'house sewer lines' are connected to nothing anymore. Every building looked like something like nuclear bomb hit it, especially PUBLIC and Large Private buildings(aruba oo kale) were totally decimated. All the roads were destroyed and turned into 'sandy dunes' and shit where each vehicle felt like it was going up n down into deep hole and then back up again over 'small' distances also so it was literally everywhere. This is the biggest reason I am anti hawiye rule, I saw what it can lead too in 98, wallahi qabiil neceb igama aha, but I don't want anyone having to relive that lifestyle.

I was a 13 year old kid wandering around this place in absolute 'awe' and felt like it was like 'nightmare' and not real life at all and I would wake up but everyday I woke up it was the same. All khat heads in the town, only a 'few' schools functioning to develop human capital and skills and future wealth which were very low standard but their were lots of 'quranic' ones not sure how that's gonna make them wealthh but they still went kkkkk.

What shocked me the most was the 'militia' boys, these guys were given measly 'khat' and small 'payment' considering how much the warlord was getting from all the extortion rackets in bakaraha on businesses, checkpoints on vehicles/trucks, airport which ironically they agreed to close down aden adde/port due to them not agreeing on who controls it, it would've lead to more blood-shed basically, imagine that SHUTTING down national infrastructure for the people over who controls it and having all them suffer and use 'ceel macaan' and shit.

I will never forget my experience there and maybe we should have some sort of Somali diaspora and Local forum recounting this to people so they never make the same mistake, I wud love to hear stories from people living in that dark-era as warning to the future to learn from.

I think you could be the first to do this which would make you a pioneer since not many diaspora people that grew up in the west as you did know about any of those nightmarish stories.

Those experiences are unique and need to be shared with the world either through a video or a book. The moryaans should not be let off the hook for causing so many years to be lost just because they wanted a measly extortion payment of a hundred thousand while modernized nations were making hundreds of billions.

You said your dad was a diplomat in Somalia so that tells me you would've probably been on track right now to also have an important leadership position. However the moryaans took that reality away from you because they wanted to get a few hundred dollars a month from isbaaros and kept the capital hostage and now they do moved on to religious moryaanism which is just as deadly.
 

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@Dues Ex Machete in all honesty I don't think any darod clan can win with hawiye since hawiye totally fractured across every layer of it's social group beyond the usual 'somali hanolato' cheerleading to distract away from this huge dilemma inside themselves, no social order hierarchy to pull aside to control it's hordes, the worst thing is 'hal meel uma wada jeestan' which is why u see the brunt of the conflict and victims being them as they 'separate' each other into different 'camps' and hence the battle and bodies ends up being them.

Some r federalist/islamist/centralist/nationalist with no over-arching 'authority or final decision' maker among them, so what I expect from them is simply 'kastumo changes' or where-ever the wind blows, hawiye goes, since hawiye is an undecided clan and will forever be and this means lot's of Somalis have to suffer the 'wait n let see' which has stretched for far to long to be effective anymore. The only thing I see unity between on is corruption and personal gain and they will join whatever side that pays them so there is no real qadiyad or siyasad behind any of them as long as u pay his ass, it's over and his a supporter of yours untill someone else pays him higher and then he leaves u so it will be that constant 'cycle' with no darod clan winning once and for all, expect a continous flip flop to the highest bidder at all times even if u think his 'loyal' he can't be since his clan has no 'platform' to begin with that can keep him in check
 

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@Dues Ex Machete I think I read somewhere on Punt post about diaspora/locals coming together to share stories of the civil war from non-actors which was my generation who just sat there and observed with no 'interest' involved


It will be interesting when they compile this and make it 'mandatory' study topics in schools nation wide so we can save them our lost childhood years so they don't have to relive it, see I don't believe in 'sharing the pain' but 'saving ppl from the pain' and not spread it out.
 
@DR OSMAN

What you're talking about here is a serious problem that needs an equally serious solution. This is a fundamental culture problem and that is not an easy fix.

Sociologists and psychologists in the US tried to solve the achievement gap between model minorities such as East Asians and African Americans. And they came to find that the culture differences between them was the root cause of their achievement gap.

This could also be the case in Somalia, however there are no social sciences let alone hard sciences to compile the necessary data entries to reach a conclusion.

The 'wait and see' game can't be played for much longer since we didn't capitalize on the industrial revolution as well as the prime oil price era and we missed out on the technological revolution in the 90s. I believe that competition is important for Somalis to achieve some modern nation state however there are people that don't want competition and are content with being bottom barrel. It's a dilemma for sure.

The country needs to be industrialized to go any further and that can't be done with moryaans holding the capital city hostage.
 

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@Dues Ex Machete since we have social order and cultured aristocrats and kingdoms, this allows for social class to develop and gain knowledge to continue this clan existence. As u said we slightly touched the industrial age in manufacturing small products but not on a large scale across our economy whatsoever but just 'few products' usually foodstuff/drinks, we were still a very highly manual nation but we were slowly migrating into industrialization with Baardheere Dam a huge indicator of 'energy' production being set up so manufacturing of 'scale' can occur and not the light and small stuff due to electricity constraint.

We were heading also towards mining/oil industries. Siyad completed the port development/roads stage at least the 'primary' ones connecting every region except 'gedo n sanaag'. So he nearly completed that phase and would've also continued into 'secondary' roads between districts in each region and then finally 'tuulos'. He had definitely was moving into mining/oil/electrification on large scale indicating he had plans for manufacturing/refineries to 'scale' further and 'agriculture' to begin using tractors possibly not 'fully' industrial but in phases to ensure most of the agriculture was linked to machines and slowly shift the primitive hand method into oblivion.

So Siyad did have a vision and he was executing his program and we see fruits of that with the whole nation having primary road and 4 regions having a port. If he would've added that petroleum/mineral game it could've fuelled further infrastructure projects is my opinion he would've probably connected gedo-sanaag first so primary road phase is done and begin secondary road phase of districts connected in each region and then lastly tuulos or he may have 'skipped' tuulos if there was no justification for it yet economically and re-directed the funds into manufacturing expansion and food security expansion, i don't think he would've of continued the 'agriculture industry' for much longer as he was clearly wanting to enter industrial age and shift from agricultur economy being the largest component to manufacturing being the largest component of GDP. He would've initially done unskilled manufacturing is my bet and slowing invested into education system to bring out more skilled capital to create 'skilled/unskilled/ manufacturing sector.

Anyways since the last 30 years as u said we skipped all the industrial age, we barely even finished the infrastructure age in roads/airports/electricity, we been stuck in 30 years in mere 'consumption' economy of 'eating and small products', quite a huge fall to say the least in terms of what our GDP was looking like under siyad. These last 30 years are the darkest period in Somalia and we need to ensure we collate/expose/identify the culprits who are still alive today and teach the next generation do not be the lost generation like we were as we inherited a nightmare, we want to pass onto you something that u can work of and accelerate and catch up with the rest of the world or else if this continous 'gap' continues in knowledge transfers, we will simply become like aborigines and termed non human and classified apart of the flora an fauna like australia constitution did in 1967 since 5000 year gap from key development in mankind was skipped by the aborigines due to isolation of their continent, our Somalia is also isolated from the world development due to our civil war and it's only 30 years and we lost as u said the industrial age/petroleum age/large electricity age in baardheere/we lost manfacturing age and we totally skipped the 'tech' age not even touched on it.

Now their in the artificial intelligence age and it looks like we going to skip that when they send robot ambassadors and soldiers and workers that are totally automated to work with us as they go back home to america for their earnings while their sitting on tv kkkkkk. That's the whole purpose of artificial intelligence to automate all human work like how machines automated all human work this is similar but it's got no human component so he is still gonna be paid but doing nothing but building and coding these robots of the future to take over it's industries and eventually it's military which already becoming 'droned' and the infantry will be soldier robots kkkk with precision accuracy and mathamatical to the core based on the world 'GPS' coordinates, he can put a square coordinate on your head in a matter of seconds as u fire aimlessly like the aborigines did when they met the white man with guns, it will be same when somalis meet the future american army, it will be huge technological difference in war to the scale of how aborigines spears vs british guns were at that scaale and we know what happened to the aborigines kkkkk and that is where we are heading in this hawiye inspired and fuelled dark age and it's sad we don't even at least say 'lets go our separate' ways till all the nation is functitoning again so we don't waste each other time as the outcome is not pretty for either of us and our total skipping of key human development stages will only inherit our descendants an aboriginal outcome of bein out of sync with the world human development as we went back in time due to isolation. It's terrible, fight back against the horde is the most patriotic thing u can do as a Somali not 'encourage' him like some Somalis think will help, but fight him expose him, save yourself and your descendants from being aboriginals in 100 years by remaining in this state as we can see what 30 years alone did and how backwards we fallen
 
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@DR OSMAN

What you just wrote should be televised to all Somali people since it's based on the reality of the past and the current situation. As you said all past nations that have achieve success went towards the path of modernization and industrialization. This was true for the UK, Germany, France, US, Russia.

Other nations saw this method of industrialization and took advantage of this progress and emulated it this was done successfully by Japan, China, South Korea, Turkey among other nations that are now leaders in education, manufacturing, technology and other fields of great importance.

While some of these countries are moving towards solving the artificial intelligence conundrum and quantum computing moryaans are busy with petty isbaaro extortion, religious moryaanism and just plain out 'xaa cuuna' this is dangerous for all future generations and the sooner people are taught this the better. We've lost a lot of time and opportunity with the moryaans taking the country hostage, but we can still turn this around and not lose anymore time.

The infrastructure development is crucial don't get me wrong since roads will connect all major trading hubs, however the human capital must be cultivated and taught the history you just wrote about. Which means they should be told about the horrors of no structure and the benefits of government. We must tell them who the culprits are and make sure they are ostracized in the society. Essentially we need to raise the level of the culture in the cawaan population since they will continue to be an impediment if not handled properly I'm sure you can see this.

There are individuals in the world with net worths eclipsing 100 billion while some people are holding the capital hostage for a crumb of that amount and they are content with it because of their culture and bitterness. The entire region is dubbed unstable so there is a small amount of investment opportunities given to the locals so they rely on meager donor payouts. The sea is quite large and if we put out a dozen industrial size fleets of trawlers that could be billions of dollars of revenue right there. Those types of solutions are necessary not 'xaa cuuna' and isbaaros for a petty hundred thousand dollars.
 

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