Mama malyun and her effect on Xalimos.

[Angelina]

Apparently @Dibleyy thinks that men with mental health issues in Somalia are "coddled".

Famine impacts men and women equally. War doesn't. Men face a far higher likelihood of being killed or injured in armed conflicts.

Women die more though indirectly due to the conflict, so it isn’t set in stone and to be make it worse 9/10 women are usually completely innocent and don’t make up the % of those that are armed combats who spike up the % of men.

I wasn't talking about your argument with Internet Nomad, I was talking about Dibleyy's post.

Women are softer I guess. It's not like men will spare fellow men of their threats. You're acting like khaniis dudes don't receive death threats all the time.

Men being threatened is in two camps, be a qaniis or harm them or others like them directly. With women it’s a whole host of issues with some men even saying we should bring back honor killings as it will reduce the amount of women marrying out. Yes, even women marrying out of warrants such a thought by some men. I suppose men have a higher % of narcs and those with a violent disposition.

 

[Soul Kaizer]

These people really think being a man is sunshine and roses and nothing else. It's impossible for them to notice male suffering.

Something i learnt early in life that i am grateful for as it saved me a lot of headache. Is that there is almost zero point in arguing with women. Majority of them have zero grasp on what a male perspective is. I don’t blame them either because god made men and women different both physically and mentally.

Many are just down right delusional about reality. Im not saying men aren’t delusional but i feel like men have a higher grasp of reality than women. Now I'm not saying all women are delusional because i know someone is going try and misconstrue my words.

 

[Angelina]

Something i learnt early in life that i am grateful for as it saved me a lot of headache. Is that there is almost zero point in arguing with women. Majority of them have zero grasp on what a male perspective is. I don’t blame them either because god made men and women different both physically and mentally.

Many are just down right delusional about reality. Im not saying men aren’t delusional but i feel like men have a higher grasp of reality than women. Now I'm not saying all women are delusional because i know someone is going try and misconstrue my words.

Saxib, your point is that of a terrible one and you’ll deny studies, data and the list goes on because your sexism stops you from actually listening to women. It’s a false premise and You’ll never evolve if you see one gender as delusional when your world world view isn’t even backed up with that’s happening on the ground.

Im not delusional, I’m well aware that men too have it hard as well.

 

[Soul Kaizer]

Saxib, your point is that of a terrible one and you’ll deny studies, data and the list goes on

You would literally be going against the whole field of psychology and biology if you don’t consider brain differences and behavioural differences between men and women.

If you want to have some sources here:
the world’s largest ever study of typical sex differences and autistic traits.

Gender equality paradox

Females, on average, are better than males at putting themselves in others’ shoes and imagining what the other person is thinking or feeling

Its an easily observable thing that doesn’t even need scientific research to prove.

It’s a false premise and You’ll never evolve if you see one gender as delusional when your world world view isn’t even backed up with that’s happening on the ground.

I not going to go into a debate on if a large percentage of women are delusional or not because I don’t think it would be productive.

I just want to clarify no i do not think women are lesser or sub-human. I appreciate our differences that god made us different and we should treat each other kindly.

Im not delusional, I’m well aware that men too have it hard as well.

You seem like a very rational and reasonable person.

A delusional person would say something like “men are useless” not knowing men singlehandly hold up society(besides mothers). Im not even using that as point to flex because it was our job given to us by Allah to protect and provide.

 

[Angelina]

You would literally be going against the whole field of psychology and biology if you don’t consider brain differences and behavioural differences between men and women.

If you want to have some sources here:
the world’s largest ever study of typical sex differences and autistic traits.

Gender equality paradox

Females, on average, are better than males at putting themselves in others’ shoes and imagining what the other person is thinking or feeling

Did you not just say that women are more delusional? When the very article you posted says the opposite? Women are better able to understand others. They can put themselves in the shoes of others? It’s men who struggle to have empathy. That’s a direct contradiction to what you think and that’s my point!

Its an easily observable thing that doesn’t even need scientific research to prove.

I’m now convinced you have comprehension issues. What you’re arguing goes against your original point young man.

I not going to go into a debate on if a large percentage of women are delusional or not because I don’t think it would be productive.

Being able to put yourself in others shoes and being able to understand how they feel is indeed the opposite of clueless and delusional.

I just want to clarify no i do not think women are lesser or sub-human. I appreciate our differences that god made us different and we should treat each other kindly.


You seem like a very rational and reasonable person.

A delusional person would say something like “men are useless” not knowing men singlehandly hold up society(besides mothers). Im not even using that as point to flex because it was our job given to us by Allah to protect and provide.

Men don’t single handedly hold up society apart from mothers. That’s a delusional statement. Right there. Even in patriarchal societies like rural India and SSA women make up 50% of the agricultural labor force.

 

[Sophisticate]

Saxib, your point is that of a terrible one and you’ll deny studies, data and the list goes on because your sexism stops you from actually listening to women. It’s a false premise and You’ll never evolve if you see one gender as delusional when your world world view isn’t even backed up with that’s happening on the ground.

Im not delusional, I’m well aware that men too have it hard as well.

Infantalizing women and invalidating their legitimate concerns. It is a tale as old as time. Some men choose to take it personally. When no one said, they were all unhinged soon-to-be-rapists waiting for society to collapse. Let us not deny that under adverse circumstances. When societal mores and rules are out the window, a sizeable proportion will do as they please. Provided they do not have to answer to other men, divine punishment or the rule of law (in general). Could they be counted on to be conscionable? I'd hope so, but I wouldn't bet on it when women are objectified and viewed through the lens of 'war booty' or 'spoils.' Women have to rely on their male relatives to protect them from this sort of aggression. This isn't limited to one group or ethnicity but a worldwide phenomenon.

• Rapes occurred before and after the Civil War in Somalia.
• Genocidal rape occurred in Rwanda in the early 90s.
• During WWII, Japanese soldiers sexually enslaved women in their conquered territories.
• Russian soldiers raped millions of German women in WWII.
• Firewood rapes occur in South Sudan (particularly by rival ethnic groups).
• UN peacekeepers tend to have sexual abuse/exploitation problems.

I'm sure there are an infinite number of examples.

 

[techsamatar]

I think turning everything into a gender war is kinda pointless. I can logically understand the plights Somali women have to go through and sympathise with it but it’s hard to understand the feelings associated with such victimhood for me.

I think the best I can hope for as an individual is to take care of my sisters, mother, aunts, cousins etc and provide what I can. Give them space when necessary and protection when needed, this also applies to my male relatives too of course.

Complaining about the community as a whole with others back and forth gets people nowhere, the women will talk of their victimhood and the men will get defensive. I honestly think it’s just better to tell everyone to treat those they hold dearly much better and have patience, it’s what I’ve been trying to do the past couple months and it’s hard but I honestly think it’s worth it in the end. Seeing people you care about smile cause you made them is honestly one of the greatest gifts out there.

Most useful comment made on this thread.

 

[Soul Kaizer]

Did you not just say that women are more delusional? When the very article you posted says the opposite? Women are better able to understand others. They can put themselves in the shoes of others? It’s men who struggle to have empathy. That’s a direct contradiction to what you think and that’s my point!

Men are more system oriented and women are more empathy oriented.

Which basically means men are more logical thinker and women are more emotionally intelligent.

The Empathising-Systemising theory predicts that women, on average, will score higher than men on tests of empathy, the ability to recognize what another person is thinking or feeling, and to respond to their state of mind with an appropriate emotion. Similarly, it predicts that men, on average, will score higher on tests of systemising, the drive to analyse or build rule-based systems.

Being able to put yourself in others shoes and being able to understand how they feel is indeed the opposite of clueless and delusional.

Men are likely to care about facts of the reality and women care about how it feels or others emotions. Being unable to parse reality from whatever emotions is in your mind is the definition of delusion.

Men don’t single handedly hold up society apart from mothers. That’s a delusional statement. Right there. Even in patriarchal societies like rural India and SSA women make up 50% of the agricultural labor force.

How about in the west where people are not pressured into certain careers by poverty and lack of education. Where the patriarchy is weaker. There is a clear difference between jobs men and women gravitate to

 

[Soul Kaizer]

Infantalizing women and invalidating their legitimate concerns. It is a tale as old as time. Some men choose to take it personally. When no one said, they were all unhinged soon-to-be-rapists waiting for society to collapse. Let us not deny that under adverse circumstances. When societal mores and rules are out the window, a sizeable proportion will do as they please. Provided they do not have to answer to other men, divine punishment or the rule of law (in general). Could they be counted on to be conscionable? I'd hope so, but I wouldn't bet on it when women are objectified and viewed through the lens of 'war booty' or 'spoils.' Women have to rely on their male relatives to protect them from this sort of aggression. This isn't limited to one group or ethnicity but a worldwide phenomenon.

• Rapes occurred before and after the Civil War in Somalia.
• Genocidal rape occurred in Rwanda in the early 90s.
• During WWII, Japanese soldiers sexually enslaved women in their conquered territories.
• Russian soldiers raped millions of German women in WWII.
• Firewood rapes occur in South Sudan (particularly by rival ethnic groups).
• UN peacekeepers tend to have sexual abuse/exploitation problems.

I'm sure there are an infinite number of examples.

When war happens and all society rules go out the window its women and children suffer the most and its men who come together majority of the time to rebuild society.

So idk why your acting as if all men are just closeted rapists waiting for the strike.

Its is men who punish rapist and its men who excuse their vile behaviour. The only difference is societal conditioning.

All humans are born with the capability to do good or evil.

 

[Soul Kaizer]

@Angelina Lets agree to disagree. Im sure you have no ill intentions towards Somali men. I don’t have ill intentions towards Somali women or women in general. My language can be harsh sometimes I recognise that but I don’t want to have the assumption that i have a problem with women.

I feel like if we can recognise our differences and appreciate ourselves for how god created us. I think it would lead to a more healthier society for both men and women. Than for us to believe the false notion that there is zero difference between men and women and we are equal in all aspects. When it is the case that women are better at somethings and men are vice versa.

 

[techsamatar]

@Angelina Lets agree to disagree. Im sure you have no ill intentions towards Somali men. I don’t have ill intentions towards Somali women or women in general. My language can be harsh sometimes I recognise that but I don’t want to have the assumption that i have a problem with women.

I feel like if we can recognise our differences and appreciate ourselves for how god created us. I think it would lead to a more healthier society for both men and women. Than for us to believe the false notion that there is zero difference between men and women and we are equal in all aspects. When it is the case that women are better at somethings and men are vice versa.

Don't back down.

 

[techsamatar]

When war happens and all society rules go out the window its women and children suffer the most and its men who come together majority of the time to rebuild society.

So idk why your acting as if all men are just closeted rapists waiting for the strike.

Its is men who punish rapist and its men who excuse their vile behaviour. The only difference is societal conditioning.

All humans are born with the capability to do good or evil.

"Its is men who punish rapist and its men who excuse their vile behaviour"

quote of the thread. You will never or rarely see women call out men who undergone rape by women some even mock and question the masculinity of the guy instead.

 

[Soul Kaizer]

Don't back down.

Im not trying to start a gender war.
Men and women are already pitted against each other over social media so i don’t find it productive to push people to radicalisation.

Its better if we put our niche ideological differences aside to unite under islamnimo and somalinimo.

 

[Abu Hesi]

General is more toxic than FDK

 

[Sophisticate]

When war happens and all society rules go out the window its women and children suffer the most and its men who come together majority of the time to rebuild society.

So idk why your acting as if all men are just closeted rapists waiting for the strike.

Its is men who punish rapist and its men who excuse their vile behaviour. The only difference is societal conditioning.

All humans are born with the capability to do good or evil.

Please re-read my post.

It is far more nuanced.

 

[niggaibnh]

When war happens and all society rules go out the window its women and children suffer the most and its men who come together majority of the time to rebuild society.

So idk why your acting as if all men are just closeted rapists waiting for the strike.

Its is men who punish rapist and its men who excuse their vile behaviour. The only difference is societal conditioning.

All humans are born with the capability to do good or evil.

Wow

You’ve moved me with this post

 

[niggaibnh]

War is terrible example to use

Two groups are fighting
All human rights/rule is out

Some men will revenge Their land by committing hideous act on women and children but that’s the life of war.

There is a reason why the prophet instructed us Muslims what to do and not during war

while empires like Roman, Greek, Persian etc was committing hideous acts to mankind

 

[attash]

but your misogynistic ass would never say that about a mad man would you?!

Mentally unstable men are never wished upon with such violence

Example, I’d never expect internet nomad to express such violent wishes on a man that wasn’t directly harming him,

It’s literally what I said in my other post, you wouldn’t wish violence on a man unless he harmed you others, for women it’s different.

Men being threatened is in two camps, be a qaniis or harm them or others like them directly.

The way you tweak your arguments is very interesting. First you say that mad men never face violent threats, then you say that they actually do face threats, but only when they are harming the people who threaten them directly. Then you walk back on this and say that they do face threats even when not harming the people threatening them directly, but only when they are harming society in general. Then you contradict yourself again by admitting that qaniis people also face threats.

Ive heard of athletes facing death threats for losing matches, so you can add that one to your ever expanding list as well.

The truth is that people, male or female, will face threats of death and violence all the time whether it's for major or minor things. Welcome to the internet, my friend.

 

[Angelina]

Men are more system oriented and women are more empathy oriented.

Which basically means men are more logical thinker and women are more emotionally intelligent.

Empathy isn’t devoid of logic. That’s a rookie mistake.

Men are likely to care about facts of the reality and women care about how it feels or others emotions. Being unable to parse reality from whatever emotions is in your mind is the definition of delusion.
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How about in the west where people are not pressured into certain careers by poverty and lack of education. Where the patriarchy is weaker. There is a clear difference between jobs men and women gravitate to

In the 60s most people in the tech sector were indeed women, same with mathematics and the like. In the past most people in the teaching industry were men. Once women started flooding the teaching industry, teaching lost its prestige. Once men started flooding the computer tech market, it become a whole lot more higher paying and respected. Wi-Fi and the like were created by women and now it’s seen as male dominated. Things are changing and more and more women are in tech. In places like Saudi in which universities are segregated more women graduate from STEM than men.

The way you tweak your arguments is very interesting. First you say that mad men never face violent threats, then you say that they actually do face threats, but only when they are harming the people who threaten them directly. Then you walk back on this and say that they do face threats even when not harming the people threatening them directly, but only when they are harming society in general. Then you contradict yourself again by admitting that qaniis people also face threats.

My point is very simple. A mentally unstable man like Mama Malyuun who isn’t violent or a qanis will not have comments of honor killing.

The threshold of men ‘shaming’ the community is a lot lower and threats of violence will mean that their behavior is a whole lot more shocking.

What I’m saying isn’t a new concept. Women are simply policed more in society and men tend to be more badly behaved than women which might be why their behavior is more tolerated. Also, before you challenge me on this, just know men have higher levels of drug abuse, promiscuity, narcissism and just dark triad traits more so than women.

Ive heard of athletes facing death threats for losing matches, so you can add that one to your ever expanding list as well.

The truth is that people, male or female, will face threats of death and violence all the time whether it's for major or minor things. Welcome to the internet, my friend.

People actually carry it out with women though, and it’s usually for women those that are close to them, whilst men are much more likely to be killed by randoms. My whole point was inciting violence to women when men of a community or family feel shamed. It’s a lot more personal.

 

[Angelina]

Please re-read my post.

It is far more nuanced.

They can’t or don’t understand any form of nuanced or critical thinking as it will force them to rethink a lot. They’re in victim mode so when you highlight these facts they feel attacked. Anything about how a % of men are xyz or even society at large is an issue for them.