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Ladies, you do not think us blokes should react?
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Walaalo, that is not true.
Alright then, Iβm just talking about my own personal experiences and what I saw.
All Iβm saying is that getting involved with a Xalimo being with an ajnabi is a risky move as she could very well be married to him or about to marry him and attacking a married woman for being with her her own husband makes you insane.
So, let me reiterate it, if a lady is married, it is a different story. What we are talking about are young girls, who should stay school, but instead smoking in street corners, messing about with rogue foreign lads in dark alleys, and vulnerable to fall pregnant in their teens.
Again, we are not talking about grown up women, or good girls minding their own business, and doing the right thing.
But your point is clear, we Somali men should not care about those girls, and mind our own business, 'cos we are not their mahram. Did I get right?
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Like I said before without context and no visible distress there is no point in getting involved just assume the best and if you have context then advice them but beating up/reprimanding a stranger is unwarranted just because there somali.
If someone is doing drugs and such whilst hanging with the wrong crowd you don't beat them up but you definitely set them straight or get there families involved to deal with them and get them off that path so they don't regret it later on
If someone is doing drugs and such whilst hanging with the wrong crowd you don't beat them up but you definitely set them straight or get there families involved to deal with them and get them off that path so they don't regret it later on
i think I made myself very clear. You speak to them in a respectful manner reminding them what theyβre doing is haram and that is it. Get their families involved if you can.
Hitting and abusing is not acceptable under any circumstances. Iβm sorry but I donβt for one second believe you and your friends in the past would have hit or abused a Somali roadman who was up to no good.
Keep your hands to yourself and stop promoting beating up other peoples kids. Imagine a teen/ young man thinking he can put his hands on your daughter? Madness Wallahi. In what world is putting your hands on random women normal? Youβre a danger to her than any ajnabi if you think you can hurt a random girl because you share the same ethnic group.
Now we know why the rate of teen pregnancy, and abortion, in MN amongst the Somalis, is the highest in the State, and prison population by young Somali boys is unmatched.
I still remember in Finsbury park area, a Somali yardie, once twisting my ear, and my mates, for playing football with some boys, whom he suspected were bad influence. Even though he himself was on the wrong path, he still understood, he had a responsibility towards us, and we appreciated it. I cherish that memory. So glad, I am, I am not a teenager in this day and age with people thinking along those lines.
You would be wrong to assume that, my dear lady.
The good news is I am in a place in life where I do not have to do any of that, for I live in the wilderness, where there are no Somalis.
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I would love to hear the stories, when you are all parents of teenagers, and have no one looking out for them in the streets, esp. where there are anomalies, as there usually are with young people.
Somalis donβt record their marriages and are notorious for acting single in order to get government housing. I assure you most of those teen pregnancies are young married Xalimos married to Abdis.
To answer your postscript. God forbid any of us are tested with wayward kids, I want people to advise my teen and if they know me or my husband to report their behavior to us, but I would be mad and actually close to being violent myself if a young man thought he could touch a hair on the head of my kids. Thatβs not care, itβs abuse in my eyes and such a person should be dealt with. Imagine the trauma of a young girl being beat up by boys? Authobillah do you honestly think such an act wouldnβt screw up a young girl? Iβm sorry but you usually come across as more sensible but this is madness if you think itβs acceptable. Even thinking about it is making my blood boil.
See, therein lies the crux of it, and it might be down to changing times, and environment. Then parents of those kids actually used to thank us for looking out for their kids, and were grateful we were in the neighbourhood.
I think I understand whence you are coming, but bear with me for a second, here are a couple of scenario (Allah forbid), and these things happen in real life in the mean streets of London, Minneapolis etc:
a) Your son was being bullied on the school bus, and picked on in the school playground, and there are older Somali boys around, would you want those older Somali lads stepping in, and protecting him?
b) Your daughter falls in with the wrong crowd, is puffing away in school loos, with street boys, instead of being in her classes. Somali boys are at school, and see what is afoot; would you want them to do something?
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Walaal, they are not married, and are getting pregnant at high schools, some even at middle schools; abortion rate is skyrocketing. it pains me to say it, but this hand-off approach is detrimental, and rather damaging to the community. My last conversation with the Director of one of the Community orgs was heart-breaking.
See, I have got family members in MN, regular visit the area, and (do not know what to say). Our then methods might have been crude to the enlightened crowd, but we had no teen pregnancies to speak of in E17, Alhamdulillah lithi wa thak.
Youβre purposely misunderstanding my point. Somali boys stepping in isnβt an issue as theyβre not hurting him.
B) Do what exactly apart from talking to her or speaking to me, what more should they do? Iβm sorry, but a teen kid has no business being judge, jury and executioner. If they see something, they should speak to me or her dad and before that try to be speak to her. That is it. Walalo why are you trying to promote violence against women?!
Actually, I am not, and I come in in good faith. Could we put the 'hurting' aspect to aside for a moment. So, it is the 'beating' you have a problem with, and not looking out for the young ones?
Oh God no, I would never, could never, and am the last person to even contemplate, let alone promote it. Again, as young lads, we did the best we thought of at the time.
Walaalo, in theory, yes, but in the mean streets of East London, with predatory gangs about, unless these young people are afraid of an elder brother, cousin, or community boys, who truly understand what is afoot in the streets, then they could easily be misled, fall in with the wrong crowd, and before you know, they are lost.
Were our methods sound, perhaps not. Were our intentions good, of course. Did the elders in the neighbourhood support, absolutely. Not only support, but taught us to look out for each other, esp. our girls, and young ones.
A lot of boys did though and the same boys dishing out discipline and justice were also not clean. Iβm from London too. I know this.
Iβm sorry but no functional father or mother would be okay with a random teen boy battering their daughter.
If we have to step in when are being wronged, are we not to step in when they are doing wrongs themselves? On the other side of stepping in, is where we would see young boys being tempted to selling drugs, or girls mixing with the wrong crowd, it now becomes a matter of us twisting their ears, or slapping them back to their senses.
All right then. I do not want to tire you. Let us just agree to disagree.
Postscript:
There were many incidents to recount.
There was a young lad, just brought to London, from a refugee camp by his maternal uncle, who started selling drugs behind Old Spitalfields market. I shall not bore with the details of what we have done, but that was the last time he tried.
There was another incident, where we had to drive to another city to rescue a young lady, whom we found drunken out of her skull, almost on the brink of being (insert any terrible deed possible), and brought her back to her family; her mother was so glad, she would cook meals for us regularly.
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@πππππππ you should definitely step in and try to guide any Somali boy you see being a hooligan like if they're selling crack on the corner street. But when it comes to girls, I think you should just leave them. A westernized woman who is astray will never take advice from a man. If they won't even listen to their fathers what makes you think they will listen to you? At least the young men will feel shame if you tell them off, they can take the heat. If you do the same to a woman she will get an attitude with you and say something about sexism.
if youβre okay with a random teen boy beating up your daughter and coming up with the excuse of looking out for then so be it. But where Iβm from, fathers would be disgusted at the thought of a random kid who who has a justice complex thinking he can touch his daughter. Like I said, speak to the parents. You donβt have a right to touch people.
Haye walaal. If any son, or daughter of mine, were misbehaving, or doing wrong deeds, I would want to think any Somali person round, would step in, and even smack him back to his senses. I would rather have that than his ending up in prison, or her ending up in tawdry.
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