𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈
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what about boys selling drugs on the High street, and girls with pimps in alleys?
Ladies, you do not think us blokes should react?
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Nope, because like I said, no decent man brought up in an Islamic environment would touch random non Mahram women let alone beat them. They also don’t free-mix and if they’re forbidding evil and haram, they’ll speak to her and try and find her Mahrams.
I’m talking about the idea of woman being outranged by the idea of a random man thinking he can discipline a strange woman.
Firstly, we both know beating someone who sells drugs or a girl with a pimp isn’t going to stop what they’re doing through beatings. That is why I think you’re childish. Once someone has reached the level of selling stuff or in outright prostitution, they’re reached a level in which only family intervention ect can tackle this.
If a man in a Muslim country calls out another girl, even if he is not her mahram she will feel shame due to how she was brought up in society. In the west, people don't feel shame. They are taught men are bad and feminism and sexual liberation are good. Ceeb in our culture is a big no no. Nobody one wants to be seen in a bad way, whereas in the west they don't care.
I’m a Londoner. That is all you need to know. Also, I’m very family with East London. In my days it was filled with shaqo l’aan Faraxs hanging out In street corners. Lol, they’re the same ones ‘disciplining’ girls. Funny.
𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈
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So, it is up to the family, and the community has no role on those lost souls? What if a concerned mother, or father reaches out to the young boys in the community, as happens, to steer look for their kids, and steer them away from the wrong path? Then what?
No need to label me, my lady.
I’m actually in a Muslim country. Men here don’t talk to random women, let alone beat them up.
Drop that nonsense for a bit. Im conservative and the idea of a random man thinking he can discipline a girl that isn’t his Mahram is sickening to me. Advise her yes, tell her to fear Allah yes, tell her father yes, but beating? Are you okay?
I’ve told you, keep your damn hands to yourself. Why is that hard for you to understand? Also, a man beating a man isn’t the same as a man beating a woman. Why can’t you understand that as a man you no right to touch women? Where you not raised in an Islamic environment?
Who is talking about beating, what are you on about?
The whole convo I’m having with the poster is about him thinking him and his boys thinking they had a right to beat Somali girls they saw with ajnabis.
𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈
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You seem focused upon a single aspect of the entire discussion, and we are not making progress, are we?
Go to Somalia as a woman and dress innapropriately. Let's see if the men say anything. At the end of the day believe what you want, but I believe Muslim men in the west shouldn't advise the Muslim women because they won't be receptive to it. In Muslim countries society is more connected and there is a shame culture that makes boys and girls scared of being called out for delinquency. That is my main point. And I'm not talking about beating.
𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈
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Come to think of it, I guarantee you, lady @Angelina, like many mothers, would be the first to reach out to the boys in the neighbourhood, if her precious son was trespassing, or her darling daughter was messing about with the local yardie boys, and she had no textbook answers. I have seen dear mothers with similar rationale, of the view local lads are filthy so and so, till their precious darlings are violated, then all of a sudden, sanity sinks in, and we were her warriors.
Somalis are selective. They have no issues with men wasting away their prime chewing khat all day on the streets and we have other major social issues.
Anyways, societal policing is imperative for people to stay in line. But randomly beating up non Mahram women is disgusting. Speak to the person, speak to parents. Khaalas.
I’m sorry, but no sane mother wants her daughter being beaten up random teens. You’re purposely changing the point. No parent will have an issue with you looking out for their child as long as you keep your hands to yourself.
at this point you’re waffling.
𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈
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We have had some successes with wayward boys, and girls, their parents thought were forgone.
If some of those young people stayed at home, and were being good lads & lasses, they would never seen us back then.
𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈
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No, actually I am holding back, for you seem to be coming across, as if speaking of raw first-hand experiences, are careening off, and I am trying to remain tactful in my approach.
I have no first hand experience, apart from an idiot who thought he can tell me off for not speaking Somali. Also I was never a delinquent and the men in my family aren’t the type to take well to a random man thinking he can put his hands on me.
Anyways, I’m done with the convo. I don’t have time for your Ifs and buts justifying your former self beating young women up like delinquents.
𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈
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Let me summarise the encounter thus far:
On the ladies corner represented by lady @Angelina:
a) Where Somali boys are potentially dropping out of school, and selling drugs on street corners, good Somali young men have no role except speaking to them.
b) Where Somali girls are potentially dropping out of school, getting pregnant in their teens, and potentially being abused on streets corners, good Somali young men have no role except having a quiet work in their good ear.
c) Lady Angelina is concerned about young men putting their hands on women, who are not their mahram. Her ladyship is further concerned good Somali young men potentially being abusive themselves.
Her ladyship is of the view it is up to their families to do that which is in their best interest, even if the only ones, who know as to how the street works, are those good young men.
On the gents side, my take:
a) Good Somali young men have a responsibility to step in where:
a) A Somali boy, or girl is being wronged, come to their rescue, and protect.
b) A Somali boy, or girl doing wrong(s), do all in their power to steer them right, even if that means smacking them back to their senses.
By all means, do correct, where I got it wrong.
On the ladies corner represented by lady @Angelina:
a) Where Somali boys are potentially dropping out of school, and selling drugs on street corners, good Somali young men have no role except speaking to them.
b) Where Somali girls are potentially dropping out of school, getting pregnant in their teens, and potentially being abused on streets corners, good Somali young men have no role except having a quiet work in their good ear.
c) Lady Angelina is concerned about young men putting their hands on women, who are not their mahram. Her ladyship is further concerned good Somali young men potentially being abusive themselves.
Her ladyship is of the view it is up to their families to do that which is in their best interest, even if the only ones, who know as to how the street works, are those good young men.
On the gents side, my take:
a) Good Somali young men have a responsibility to step in where:
a) A Somali boy, or girl is being wronged, come to their rescue, and protect.
b) A Somali boy, or girl doing wrong(s), do all in their power to steer them right, even if that means smacking them back to their senses.
By all means, do correct, where I got it wrong.
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