techsamatar
I put Books to the Test of Life
Go start on learning classical arabic and your deen first lol.
King of Jordan is being mocked for speaking in Arabic with a foreign accent
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Okay, how do we know that the ones who are seen as accurate and are indeed hashimites don’t actually descend from another Arab man that lived in the Ancient times. How can we pinpoint that they descend from
Ali himself? Isn’t that guesswork?
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You see, calling me a murtard because of science
I knew people like you fucked up the gene pool long ago.Hey, I provided you Hadiths from Islamqa and you provided me proof from an out of context Tiktok video and a hotep blog with no references. I asked for legitimate references and you couldn’t give it to me.
Cush
Cushite Arab
@Angelina @Aurelian
The prophet was mixed with redness, white itself is described in Lisan Al Arab as the color you see during a sandstorm.
Imam Adh-Dhabi says it's wheat with a black outer appearance. Imagine a color filled with redness like is found on an ochre with radiance and that is the complexion of the prophet SAW.
THIS IS CLASSICAL ARABIC NOT MODERN ARABIC, MEANINGS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ALL ARAB COUNTRIES SPEAK IN THEIR OWN COMPLETELY UNIQUE ACCENTS WHICH HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MEANINGS TO THE CLASSICAL FUSHA ARABIC
Al Hafidh Al Dhahabi said in his book Siyad A'alaam Al Nubalaa, one of the most famous Islamic books
"Verily when the Arabs said that someone was white ("Abyad2), they meant he had a spelt (wheat) color complexion with a black hiya
What is the Hilya?
The Hilya of a person is what is apparent in his/her complexion, apparent look and appearance as Ibn Mandhour said.
Look at the color of wheat the color is referred to as white by Arabs when it is covered with blackness like you see in a brown person's complexion.
Al thalabi said
"As if the person has an attractive Bayad "whiteness" mixed with a touch of yellowness (yellow means black to the Arabs" like the color of the moon and pearls, then he mentions
In the report by Ibn Anas, may Allah SWT be pleased with him
"He was Azhar complexioned, he wasn't Amhaq complexioned (very light)"
As Ibn Mandhour said it is a mixture of Bayad and humra (redness)
What is meant by Humra (redness) here is the true dark redness of the dark colored dates
Al Zubaidi states that dates are called red due to their color
The color Amghar was said to be among the Arabs
The word ocre (Amghar) stems from the root word Maghara and Magahara is red soil
Ibn Mandhour states:
"Al Maghara and Al Maghra (ochre) is red soil that is used for dying"
Al Maghra and Al Mughra are a reddish color
Ibn Mandhour also states a hadith where a bedouine man entered where the prophet SAW was and saw him with the companions and he said
"Which one of you is the son of Abd Al Mutalib?"
They then said
"He is the Amghar complexioned person leaning on his elbow"
They meant by amghar, the abyad complexioned person
This is the color of the rufous sided towhee, the bird which is called an amghar
IT IS RELATED BY IBN ABBAS
A QUOTE FROM WHAT HE SAID
"THE CHILDREN OF HAM SETTLED IN THE SOUTHERN AREA IN AL DABBOUR. THIS AREA IS CALLED AL DAAROUM. ALLAH MADE THEM VERY DARK SKINNED. HE MADE SOME OF THEM ABYAD."
EARLY ARAB POET AVY AVDYKKAG AK GYSSAUB IBN ALI AL NAMARI WHO DIED IN 385 A.H
"HE GAVE HE ARABS, THE ABYSSINIANS AND THE ZAN THOSE WHO LOOK LIKE THEM IN GENERAL-BLACKNESS. THE POET OF THE ARABS AL FADI IBN AL ABBAS IBN UTBA SAID:
"I AM THE GREEN ONE (BLACK) WHO KNOWS ME, MY SKIN IS GREEN, I AM FROM THE HOUSE OF THE ARABS"
The prophet was mixed with redness, white itself is described in Lisan Al Arab as the color you see during a sandstorm.
Imam Adh-Dhabi says it's wheat with a black outer appearance. Imagine a color filled with redness like is found on an ochre with radiance and that is the complexion of the prophet SAW.
THIS IS CLASSICAL ARABIC NOT MODERN ARABIC, MEANINGS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ALL ARAB COUNTRIES SPEAK IN THEIR OWN COMPLETELY UNIQUE ACCENTS WHICH HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MEANINGS TO THE CLASSICAL FUSHA ARABIC
Al Hafidh Al Dhahabi said in his book Siyad A'alaam Al Nubalaa, one of the most famous Islamic books
"Verily when the Arabs said that someone was white ("Abyad2), they meant he had a spelt (wheat) color complexion with a black hiya
What is the Hilya?
The Hilya of a person is what is apparent in his/her complexion, apparent look and appearance as Ibn Mandhour said.
Look at the color of wheat the color is referred to as white by Arabs when it is covered with blackness like you see in a brown person's complexion.
Al thalabi said
"As if the person has an attractive Bayad "whiteness" mixed with a touch of yellowness (yellow means black to the Arabs" like the color of the moon and pearls, then he mentions
In the report by Ibn Anas, may Allah SWT be pleased with him
"He was Azhar complexioned, he wasn't Amhaq complexioned (very light)"
As Ibn Mandhour said it is a mixture of Bayad and humra (redness)
What is meant by Humra (redness) here is the true dark redness of the dark colored dates
Al Zubaidi states that dates are called red due to their color
The color Amghar was said to be among the Arabs
The word ocre (Amghar) stems from the root word Maghara and Magahara is red soil
Ibn Mandhour states:
"Al Maghara and Al Maghra (ochre) is red soil that is used for dying"
Al Maghra and Al Mughra are a reddish color
Ibn Mandhour also states a hadith where a bedouine man entered where the prophet SAW was and saw him with the companions and he said
"Which one of you is the son of Abd Al Mutalib?"
They then said
"He is the Amghar complexioned person leaning on his elbow"
They meant by amghar, the abyad complexioned person
This is the color of the rufous sided towhee, the bird which is called an amghar
IT IS RELATED BY IBN ABBAS
A QUOTE FROM WHAT HE SAID
"THE CHILDREN OF HAM SETTLED IN THE SOUTHERN AREA IN AL DABBOUR. THIS AREA IS CALLED AL DAAROUM. ALLAH MADE THEM VERY DARK SKINNED. HE MADE SOME OF THEM ABYAD."
EARLY ARAB POET AVY AVDYKKAG AK GYSSAUB IBN ALI AL NAMARI WHO DIED IN 385 A.H
"HE GAVE HE ARABS, THE ABYSSINIANS AND THE ZAN THOSE WHO LOOK LIKE THEM IN GENERAL-BLACKNESS. THE POET OF THE ARABS AL FADI IBN AL ABBAS IBN UTBA SAID:
"I AM THE GREEN ONE (BLACK) WHO KNOWS ME, MY SKIN IS GREEN, I AM FROM THE HOUSE OF THE ARABS"
techsamatar
I put Books to the Test of Life
Difference between taking things face value and using it and putting it above Deen, this is what happens when Badiyo negros get access to theories, i went to private skl that was specificality in scientific subjects and i thank god filth like you did not go instead you would have probably followed their ape theories too like the other bunch of Imbeciles.You see, calling me a murtard because of science
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We have had couple of Abgaal that were negative for the Hiiraab mutation. It’s obvious they are not ilmo hiiraab but were assimilated. Hope this explains. The true Abgaal will share the same mutation with the bulk of the HG, loobaage, Duduble.
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What does his opinions of Arabs have to do with insulting Somalis? Learn to criticize the person in question and leave the ethnic name out of your texts.
The rest perceives both of you on two different sides of the same coin.
You are right.
Cush
Cushite Arab
@Angelina @Aurelian
Banu Muharib was an Arab tribe during the Islamic prophet Muhammad's era. During the Invasion of Thi Amr Muhammad ordered a military raid against them. He ordered his men to raid the Banu Muharib and Banu Talabah tribes after he received intelligence that they were allegedly going to raid the outskirts of Medina[1][2]
"And arabs pride themselves in blackskin, and if it is asked," if thats the case why do they say so and so is bright, shining, white and blazingly white?" We say to them it is not meant the whiteness of skin, but it is meant the nobility of character and its purity, the green muharrib have already boasted that they're black, and black to the the arabs is green(wa sawad 'inda al'rab alakhdar)"
" and the Banu Mughira are the green of the Banu Makhzoum, and 'umar bin Abi Rabi'ah bin Mughira alMakhzoumi said, attributing it to alFadl bin 'abbas al-Lahabi:" I am the green one who knows of me, the greenest skin in the house of the arabs....and the greens of the ghassan are the Banu Jufnah, the kings."
(The prophet's saw father's maternal lineage was Banu Makhzoumi. All though theyre all racially black the banu makhzoum were especially darkskinned, kinda like reer khalaf and omar mahmoud)
"And we say God almighty has not made us (zanj)black to make us ugly
But it is infact the land that has made us so, and the prove is that within the arabs are black tribes like the Banu Sulaym bin Mansur and every tribe that settled in the Harra besides the Banu Sulaym are all black.
Banu Muharib was an Arab tribe during the Islamic prophet Muhammad's era. During the Invasion of Thi Amr Muhammad ordered a military raid against them. He ordered his men to raid the Banu Muharib and Banu Talabah tribes after he received intelligence that they were allegedly going to raid the outskirts of Medina[1][2]
"And arabs pride themselves in blackskin, and if it is asked," if thats the case why do they say so and so is bright, shining, white and blazingly white?" We say to them it is not meant the whiteness of skin, but it is meant the nobility of character and its purity, the green muharrib have already boasted that they're black, and black to the the arabs is green(wa sawad 'inda al'rab alakhdar)"
" and the Banu Mughira are the green of the Banu Makhzoum, and 'umar bin Abi Rabi'ah bin Mughira alMakhzoumi said, attributing it to alFadl bin 'abbas al-Lahabi:" I am the green one who knows of me, the greenest skin in the house of the arabs....and the greens of the ghassan are the Banu Jufnah, the kings."
(The prophet's saw father's maternal lineage was Banu Makhzoumi. All though theyre all racially black the banu makhzoum were especially darkskinned, kinda like reer khalaf and omar mahmoud)
"And we say God almighty has not made us (zanj)black to make us ugly
But it is infact the land that has made us so, and the prove is that within the arabs are black tribes like the Banu Sulaym bin Mansur and every tribe that settled in the Harra besides the Banu Sulaym are all black.
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Who is putting what above deen
Bro you’re not Hashemite. Your fake abtirsi is against the deen.
Cush
Cushite Arab
@Aurelian @Angelina
"And the children of shem settled in magdal, center of the earth, and this is from sidama to the ocean and yemen to syria, God gave them prophethood and the books and beauty and darkskin(udmah) and clear skin(bayad)
And the children of ham....they were given darkskin(udmah) and few were clear skinned."
Description of the Sahaba and kings
Tarikh alkhulafa lil suyudi
Description ali ibn abi talib rac
" Ali was heavy-built man,bald, leaning slight towards shortness, he had a large stomach and a very large beard that filled the space between his two shoulders, white like it was cotton, and he was dark extremely dark"
Fusul almuhimah li ibn sibagh
Description ali ibn abi talib rac
"And ibn munda has related that he was extremely dark, large bearded, heavy eyed, and the largest of them stomach wise, and he was closer to short."
Tarikh alya'quubi
Description of umar ibn khattab rac
"He was tall, bald and extremely dark"
Ansab alashraaf lil baladuri
Description of 'uthman bin bin 'affaan
"..He was neither tall nor short, he had a handsome face..large beard and brown skin(asmar al-lawn)"
Tarikh alrusul wa almuluk
Mohamed alnafs alzaki
"I am descended from the Prophet (SAWS) from my mother's side AND my father's side. I am the purest of Bani Hashim (the branch of Quraish that the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS) is from) in genealogy and the noblest of them both paternally AND maternally. NO NON-ARAB BLOOD RUNS THROUGH MY VEINS!"
(Muhammad alnafs alzakiya(literally meaning pure soul because of his pure qurayshi genealogy)felt that he had more of a claim to the throne than abu ja'far almansur, second caliph of the 'abbasids, who was son of a berber women. How do you expect this man to look like, maybe like muhammad bin salman?)
Tarikh alrusul
"Muhammad was dark extremely dark, pitch black large and tall body. His nickname was the charcoal because of his blackness, even so much so that Abu Ja'far use to call him the burnt-face one"
"And the children of shem settled in magdal, center of the earth, and this is from sidama to the ocean and yemen to syria, God gave them prophethood and the books and beauty and darkskin(udmah) and clear skin(bayad)
And the children of ham....they were given darkskin(udmah) and few were clear skinned."
Description of the Sahaba and kings
Tarikh alkhulafa lil suyudi
Description ali ibn abi talib rac
" Ali was heavy-built man,bald, leaning slight towards shortness, he had a large stomach and a very large beard that filled the space between his two shoulders, white like it was cotton, and he was dark extremely dark"
Fusul almuhimah li ibn sibagh
Description ali ibn abi talib rac
"And ibn munda has related that he was extremely dark, large bearded, heavy eyed, and the largest of them stomach wise, and he was closer to short."
Tarikh alya'quubi
Description of umar ibn khattab rac
"He was tall, bald and extremely dark"
Ansab alashraaf lil baladuri
Description of 'uthman bin bin 'affaan
"..He was neither tall nor short, he had a handsome face..large beard and brown skin(asmar al-lawn)"
Tarikh alrusul wa almuluk
Mohamed alnafs alzaki
"I am descended from the Prophet (SAWS) from my mother's side AND my father's side. I am the purest of Bani Hashim (the branch of Quraish that the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS) is from) in genealogy and the noblest of them both paternally AND maternally. NO NON-ARAB BLOOD RUNS THROUGH MY VEINS!"
(Muhammad alnafs alzakiya(literally meaning pure soul because of his pure qurayshi genealogy)felt that he had more of a claim to the throne than abu ja'far almansur, second caliph of the 'abbasids, who was son of a berber women. How do you expect this man to look like, maybe like muhammad bin salman?)
Tarikh alrusul
"Muhammad was dark extremely dark, pitch black large and tall body. His nickname was the charcoal because of his blackness, even so much so that Abu Ja'far use to call him the burnt-face one"
Cush
Cushite Arab
@techsamatar This should do the trick.
I think for Abgaal it’s different since I can Imagine the vast majority of people claiming to be Abgaal are indeed Abgaal hence a few that aren’t are simply outliers hence it’s easy to pinpoint that such a man did exist who is the patriarch of the tribe whom everyone descends from.
But with regards to the Hashemite point. It’s a bit different since you argued that a good % are indeed not a descendants. How do we know the ones that we believe are, truly are? Do you get the drift or am I not articulating myself properly?
techsamatar
I put Books to the Test of Life
Stop acting clueless please all it takes is searching my name and the flood of classical books and hadiths and narrations and even given the tafsir of the meaning of the words yet in Arabic you still in denial. All you give is beginner 101 English translations and i even had to teach you what they meant by English definition of the word "white"
@Step a side why does anyone need your gibberish when we have 1400 years of preserved narrations of Arabs and original Arabs describing their appearance and description ? as well as classical Arabic terms ? even historians would choose this over your Kafir guesswork worship.
I asked for actual links from legitimate sites. Not interested in your opinion or name tbh.
Cush
Cushite Arab
That's classical Arabic, today the language has been completely corrupted, and there's a whole classical Arabic dictionary, the meanings were completely different, it's why even an Arab must spend a lot of time learning the meanings of Quran verses and explanations of the Hadith provided by our scholars
I have provided evidence from top scholars and explanations from many
techsamatar
I put Books to the Test of Life
I've literally attached the book, the narrator, the page numbers, and even an Arabic translation in every quote or narration that i pasted here also below the translation so you can't even play clueless. I suppose that is outside of your comprehension.
Where did you get it from online? Are their online books I can access? I’ve copied and pasted your passages once and an obscure hotep website appeared.
Cush
Cushite Arab
@techsamatar Just copy what I said and explain how classical Arabic needs explanations to nulify her dumb claims, she's scared of me I refuted her numerous times
