KG politician: Darod are dictators with Messiah complex, Hawiye are incompetent looters

[DR OSMAN]

Wow I am watching this. But the heading summarized Somali clans pretty well and @Jiron ppl are neutral so their 'advice and conclusion' is not riddled with conflict of interest, plus they found federalism architecture that PL is using.

Darods turn the presidency into a monarchy(majerten iyo ogaden) or dictatorship(sade clans plus they have monarchy system reer diini). Hawiye are the most corrupt and bunch of looters, they don't even have a 'limit' to their looting and leave something behind for hawiye people only 'kheyre' left behind something 'daynile' road.

It's a shame our PL govt criticizes the ISIMO for being birth-right system, but they turn our government into the same monarchy trinity between maxamud saleban. Ogaden is the same usually.

But hawiye don't tend to have monarchy birth right system that darod clans have. All their sub clans are equal to run for power. Wa arin mucjiso ah, plus they tend to transfer power better. If we want to be republic siiba democracy we need to eliminate the birth right system from darod clans or else we are being hypocritical.

 

[Bari🐍]

How is it messiah complex if its true? Time and time again we save this nation and move it forward. Then the undesirables move it backwards. It is a constant cycle of advancement then regression. Frustrating to say the least

 

[DR OSMAN]

How is it messiah complex if its true? Time and time again we save this nation and move it forward. Then the undesirables move it backwards. It is a constant cycle of advancement then regression. Frustrating to say the least

Like Juxa recently said we 'need' a somali confederation becuz federalism is being misinterpreted outside the PL model, bal 'eeg' messiah complex, he saying all 'somalis' need it, he doesn't know he is doing this becuz it's embedded into their psyche. Where-as my 99 year treaty status applies solely to PL in the spirit of 1 nation 2 systems like hong kong and china, I've shaken off the messiah complex but none of our leaders have tho.

 

[abzmuumin1]

How is it messiah complex if its true? Time and time again we save this nation and move it forward. Then the undesirables move it backwards. It is a constant cycle of advancement then regression. Frustrating to say the least

It is technically a Messiah complex because however good of a president you are the seat does not belong solely to you. You can't use progress you have made as an excuse to become a dictator.

Its very counter productive to undo all the progress you have made by sending the country I to a civil war because you are not willing to hold an election. ultimately you are causing more harm then good by sending the country into a civil war.

 

[DR OSMAN]

PL needs to follow the west in their spirit of creating strong systems where the ethnicity or clan of the leader becomes irrelevant. They should give the ISIMO equal status to the constitution with reserved 'powers' to save PL in times of political or constitutional disaster, they already play this role un-officially anyways. But the ISIMO must also accept they step away from day to day government matters.

This is a 'good' deal for both politicians and ISIMO, plus it gives us someone to turn to when their no-one trusted in politics. The Isimo however must also accept for them to have this power, they must stand outside day to day political issues and playing politics or choosing sides. The UK Monarchy has this system, it was actually seen executed in Australia in 1975, where the queens representative 'fired the govt' after constitutional disaster, if this wasn't there, no-one knows what could've happened as all the institutions/govt became 'political'.

 

[Abaq]

That was later on bro. In the beginning he favoured you guys.even settled you guys in a lot of regions In middle jubba and lower jubba. I think you should be more grateful to siyaad. I would If I was OG.

Why would you lie so shamelessly?

 

[Abaq]

The reality is that the people of middle jubba were just much more peaceful and not willing to commit the atrocities committed in hiraan or Hargeisa. It's well known you guys were settled in Buaale Saakow dujuuma and Kismayo. Now you guys claim that land as yours. Why?

Another lie. Your useless Reewin lived on the Eastern bank of the Jubba for centuries yet it was Ogaden that came from as far as Iimay and Wardheer to cross it first and tame the Oromo. Your revisionism can’t hide your incompetence

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Another lie. Your useless Reewin lived on the Eastern bank of the Jubba for centuries yet it was Ogaden that came from as far as Iimay and Wardheer to cross it first and tame the Oromo. Your revisionism can’t hide your incompetence

Your are wasting time talking to folks that have been saved by TPLF from ethnic cleansed by HG.
These beggers only know the history of begging in the streets.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Abaq were the oromos at the juba, the same 'violent' oromo in North Kenya? did their foot-print reach all the way inside jubaland? were they pushed to north kenya or did they always live there and lost their lands in JL? Plus are they farmers or nomadic? warring with 'farmers' isn't really brave.

 

[Cartan Boos]

You hate non DM somali people and call us lamagodle you’re no different from the bantu and cad cad.

In my personal opinion I don't think we hate you Lamagoodles enough.

Are you forgetting the xasuuq, marginalisation and cunsurinimo you guys have subjected us to. Why you acting like a victim when you are a perpetrator.

lamagoodle is not insult tf, it means folk who wear two pieces of clothings reewin also wear that and it was invented by somali to stand out from the bantu who were allowed only to wear one piece of clothing and arab,indian who also dress different

 

[Abaq]

@Abaq were the oromos at the juba, the same 'violent' oromo in North Kenya? did their foot-print reach all the way inside jubaland? were they pushed to north kenya or did they always live there and lost their lands in JL? Plus are they farmers or nomadic? warring with 'farmers' isn't really brave.

There were two Oromo tribes that started migrating to Tanaland and Jubaland during the 1600s: The Wardey who came first and settled along the Juba till beyond the Tana and taxed Lamu, and the Boran who came after them and settled in the Wajeer-Mandera-Gedo axis. They were both fierce cattle herders. The Wardey fought the Massai in central Kenya who were the dominant force before they arrived.

The Oromo the Ogaden mostly fought were the Wardey who they basically ethnically cleansed. Today, very few are left who escaped and are known as the Ormo. They live in a few villages in Tana river county. The Boran were also pushed out of Wajeer and into Isiolo and Marsabit counties but their numbers survived

 

[Cartan Boos]

The reality is we was at the bottom of the kacaan. The ".5s" had more representation in the kacaan then us Reewins. You OGs benefitted a lot from the kacaan as you were a part of the MOD alliance. Ogaadeens from DDS were given high level jobs and settled in Somalia were a native Reewin was sidelined and marginalised for speaking the Maay language.

Siyaad barre even settled other clans in our lands under "Hantiwadaag" and Abaarti Dhabadheer. Today those same clans we allowed to settle in Sablaale and Kurtunwaarey and Dujuma are now claiming our land which is the fault of the kacaan. He also gave Gobolka Gedo to beeehisa Marehan when it was a majority Reewin gobols.

As for the civil war I will not justify what some Reewins may have done. But compared to what harms we may have caused to other clans the harms we have faced is much worse.

cap 70% of Gedo was mx in the kacaan tf u on

 

[Abaq]

Exhibit A of Hawiye incompetence

After HSM insisted on his nepotism, his ministers are following suit

 

[Cartan Boos]

The reality is that the people of middle jubba were just much more peaceful and not willing to commit the atrocities committed in hiraan or Hargeisa. It's well known you guys were settled in Buaale Saakow dujuuma and Kismayo. Now you guys claim that land as yours. Why?

neve heard of the war on oromo in jubaland? the werdei and orma, due to darood expansion those don't exist and we took jubaland,gedo,nfd from them not from somalis

 

[DR OSMAN]

Exhibit A of Hawiye incompetence

After HSM insisted on his nepotism, his ministers are following suit

What's sad the next govt will cancel all their work and re-hire new staff and by the time they gain experience, the new govt will do the same. I doubt any ministry has set vision, policies or objectives to be achieved.

Every new govt will start from nothingness and the cycle will return into nothingness.

 

[abzmuumin1]

Another lie. Your useless Reewin lived on the Eastern bank of the Jubba for centuries yet it was Ogaden that came from as far as Iimay and Wardheer to cross it first and tame the Oromo. Your revisionism can’t hide your incompetence

I am speaking about the eastern side of the jubba river not the western side. Are you denying Reewin dominate the eastern side of the jubba river. where the most population of jubbalnd live.

 

[abzmuumin1]

neve heard of the war on oromo in jubaland? the werdei and orma, due to darood expansion those don't exist and we took jubaland,gedo,nfd from them not from somalis

From what I have read that was the western side of the jubba river. Reewin has always lived on and dominated the eastern side of the river where majority of jubbalnd degmos are

 

[Cartan Boos]

From what I have read that was the western side of the jubba river. Reewin has always lived on and dominated the eastern side of the river where majority of jubbalnd degmos are

but why claim gedo to be reewin dominated in the kacaan when statically it was 70% mx, also only luuq was taken from u, old bardheera city is still reewn, the new bardheere was built recently and inhabited by mx, also i explained what lamagoodle is, u also lamagoodle

 

[abzmuumin1]

but why claim gedo to be reewin dominated in the kacaan when statically it was 70% mx, also only luuq was taken from u, old bardheera city is still reewn, the new bardheere was built recently and inhabited by mx

Your wrong there bro. First of all historically speaking Marehan was settled in Gedo by Gasaargude who was at that time ruling luuq. They settled the Marehan in what is now known as Garbahaarey.

Honestly speaking Marehan only own Garbahaarey in Gedo Baladxaawo is also shared. Luuq, Doolow,ceelwaaq, Baardheere,Doolow are all Reewin cities. Marehan took advantage of Siyaad Barre and expanded into those cities during his 21 year dictatorship. Further holding onto them in the 91 civil war.

Looking at it like that the gobol is actually majority D&M

What do D&M have in Gedo today? Absolutely nothing. The governor and vice governer is Marehan. Rahanweyn have nothing at all is that fair?

 

[Abaq]

What's sad the next govt will cancel all their work and re-hire new staff and by the time they gain experience, the new govt will do the same. I doubt any ministry has set vision, policies or objectives to be achieved.

Every new govt will start from nothingness and the cycle will return into nothingness.

Hence why no institutions can be built. Each minister hires a whole new ministry. Incompetence