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Kenyan calls for genocide against the Somalis

@Idilinaa If Somalia is peaceful, beautiful and developing, come and live there. I was born there and ran away later When I see what you saying I say to myself maxaa u tahriibtay 🤣
But I know the reality more than you
You are say walahi
Dont know what your life was like but nobody is saying its a Utopia, we're just highlighting the progress that was done in just few years and where its heading now
 
@Father
Kenya is a country of strangers, Somalia is not. Meaning every murder (especially of a woman) and brutal rapes are FELT since people are connected to eachother through clans and news spread FAST. Combine that with our love of storytelling, and all the online platforms that are dedicated to talking about every gruesome act in Somalia and it can easily skew perception of how common grape/murder is compared to other countries.

Also remember that there is no regulation of media in Somalia (perhaps only if you’re critical of the state or reveal sensitive information), meaning media outlets in Somalia and social media figures share EVERYTHING. Every brutal case ends up on our radar + in the absence of functioning institutions + us being a helpful people, victims & their families are vocal about rape to get the public to pay medical expenses or put pressure on local authorities so they can get justice etc.

20+ Kenyan women were gangr*ped during the protest btw, IN PUBLIC. Could you imagine something like this happening in Somalia? Even worse for something like this to barely get attention?

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I think alot of somalis underestimate how crazy the average 3rd world country is, even the best performing among them. But if you were to do a deep dive into them you’d realize quickly that somalis are tame, very very tame. It’s genuinely sick how much self-restrain they’ve displayed the last three decades despite the anarchy.
All good points. At least you're willing to have a discussion.
Truth to be told, I know Somalia is much better at many things than these bantu countries, but I just can't accept that in the year 2025, I can't live a good life in Somalia and work amongst my people, but I can in the west, middle east or even Kenya? How do I accept this? Middle class Somalis from the diaspora are choosing to settle in Kenya and Egypt, they go to India to get treatment, does that not hurt your soul?
 
What about tribal conflicts that result in 100s of death every year or the alshabab bombings? Something which doesn't happen in Kenya despite the people there being different ethnicities unlike Somalis in Somalia who are one. My point is, Somali people are so alike in every department that there should be no conflict there. The country shouldn't still be stagnant politically and extremely unstable. All these issues aren't the result of difference in religion or ethnicity, so how the f*ck do you explain it? Until someone comes up with a better explanation, the only one that makes sense to me is that the average IQ in Somalia is very low. Low IQ people cannot build a state and make it work. This has been proven. Somalia can only be saved by a dictator where the select few smart ones control the rest of the people.
It’s ok to feel frustration over the situation in Somalia, that doesn’t mean you have to perpetuate racist myths (that were never uttered pre 91 lol) like us having low iq. you should remember that things are improving daily in Somalia, alhamdullilah.

The key driver of young men dying in Somalia isn’t inherent clannism, it’s competition over scarce resources, weak governance and lack of opportunities. Once a proper, equitable resource-sharing system is implemented and more opportunities are offered to young men, these deaths will reduce significantly and society will stabilize.
 
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It’s ok to feel frustration over the situation in Somalia, that doesn’t mean you have to perpetuate racist myths (that were never uttered pre 91 lol) like us having low iq. you should remember that things are improving daily in Somalia, alhamdullilah.

The key driver of young men dying in Somalia isn’t inherent clannism, it’s competition over scarce resources, weak governance and lack of opportunities. Once a proper, equitable resource-sharing system is implemented, these deaths will reduce significantly and society will stabilize.
To be honest, it's hard to beat the low IQ allegations when Somalis who were born and raised in the west and who have received up to tertiary education still believe in qabiil. Qabiil discussions are the ultimate evidence for low IQ. The president of Somalia and the dude in Kismaayo couldn't agree politcally so they waged war on each other, both and their children are still living, eating and enjoying life. How many young men died in those battles? How many civilians died? and now there's talk they're going to come together and hash it out. f*ck both of them honestly! Why am I telling you this? I know people with university degrees in America who support either side. They are muslims, they pray and the put money and support into this. So if this is how the so called educated ones behave, how hopeful can one be about those raised in war in the country?
 
Dont know what your life was like but nobody is saying its a Utopia, we're just highlighting the progress that was done in just few years and where its heading now
If there was an improvement, I wouldn't have left because I loved it, but I wasn't want to waste my youth in a place controlled by old politicians and three companies that monopolize everything And working with them like a slave, you have no rights
 
To be honest, it's hard to beat the low IQ allegations when Somalis who were born and raised in the west and who have received up to tertiary education still believe in qabiil. Qabiil discussions are the ultimate evidence for low IQ. The president of Somalia and the dude in Kismaayo couldn't agree politcally so they waged war on each other, both and their children are still living, eating and enjoying life. How many young men died in those battles? How many civilians died? and now there's talk they're going to come together and hash it out. f*ck both of them honestly! Why am I telling you this? I know people with university degrees in America who support either side. They are muslims, they pray and the put money and support into this. So if this is how the so called educated ones behave, how hopeful can one be about those raised in war in the country?
I get it but clans are everywhere. Japanese, Arabs, Scottish, Chinese, Koreans, Native Americans and many other groups have clans. I don’t think you can eliminate clans completely from Somali society. The reason people rely on clans is because the rule of law and state institutions are weak. When you don’t have strong and relatively non corrupt police forces, property rights, basic safety etc.. of course you’ll rely on your clans and communities. It’s the same across the Arab world. Libyans and Yemenis are struggling with clan divides due to weak institutions and collapse of the state but Emiratis and Kuwaitis are less tribalistic for example because they come from beautiful, strong places where the state can protect and they can for example just go to a police station to report a crime instead of just like relying on vendettas.
 
You're calling me an incel yet you're preaching to me that throwing insults behind keyboard is bad. This is the low IQ I am talking about. You can't even keep your opinions consistent for 30 seconds, probably because your prefrontal cortex is too under developed to allow it.

I bet you live somewhere in the west, why don't pack and go live in this great country?

I never called you an incel. I told you to step away from the online noise because it makes people lose touch with reality, consume themselves with negativity, and hold onto resentment. Your rants aren’t affecting other people., they’re just weighing you down. What is more Low IQ then partaking self destructive behaviour.

But I’ll take the self-admission: you and your kind are clearly internet basement-dwelling weirdos. Keep ranting about Somalia for the next 30 years , it won’t change your life situation. Whether Somalia or Somali people are “bad” or “good” isn’t why your life sucks or why you have nothing to your name. So by all means, keep ranting.
 
I get it but clans are everywhere. Japanese, Arabs, Scottish, Chinese, Koreans, Native Americans and many other groups have clans. I don’t think you can eliminate clans completely from Somali society. The reason people rely on clans is because the rule of law and state institutions are weak. When you don’t have strong and relatively non corrupt police forces, property rights, basic safety etc.. of course you’ll rely on your clans and communities. It’s the same across the Arab world. Libyans and Yemenis are struggling with clan divides due to weak institutions and collapse of the state but Emiratis and Kuwaitis are less tribalistic for example because they come from beautiful, strong places where the state can protect and they can for example just go to a police station to report a crime instead of just like relying on vendettas.

For Somalis, clans are not political units. People don’t rely on them because the state is weak or the rule of law is absent(there has always been governance or rule of law) , they rely on them for economic and social support. The clan system itself emerged as a framework for facilitating trade, cooperation, and resource-sharing. It’s essentially a product of our geography: the flat plateaus and open plains made constant movement, interaction, and trade with one another inevitable.

I’ve explained this multiple times before, but read this:
Also we discussed how important terminology is when it comes to Somalis. I think it equally applies for the term" Tribe/Tribal". I don't think these accurately describes our social structure and clans are not political units.
The term "tribal" is indeed misleading when applied to Somali society, especially in the context of political and social organization. Somali clans (or extended family units and lineages) are not separate, distinct political entities in the way that "tribes" might be viewed in other parts of the world. Instead, these clans were social and economic networks that helped facilitate cooperation, trade, and resource-sharing.
Clans in Somalia are fundamentally based on kinship and lineage, often tracing back to common ancestors. This structure isn't about creating distinct, separate cultural groups; it's about families coming together for mutual economic and social benefit.
The concept of tribes implies groups with rigid boundaries, cultural differences, and political independence, but Somali clans were more fluid and dynamic, focused on economic production, land use, and intermarriage across these networks.
In Somali society, clans didn't function as politically independent or autonomous units, but rather as interdependent extended families with shared economic interests.
So they were in reality economic units, not political units. Instead of functioning as political entities that governed territories, Somali clans coordinated economic activities like livestock herding, trade, and agriculture
You can also see this with the Cooperatives(iskashaato) , Guilds (ururs) and Tariqas (Orders) that people of seperate clan origins came together and organized out of shared interests. Then there is also the sultanates that had bureaucratic structures and taxation systems, militaries and foreign diplomacy.
Clan affiliations were important, but the political and economic systems transcended clan lines.

When the Somali system is described as "tribal," it implies cultural isolation and political disorder, which is far from the reality of a cohesive, organized, and commercially active society.


You’re right that most societies have their own informal social systems even the Chinese with "guanxi" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi#

Clans aren’t nearly the issue people make them out to be. The problem is that people focus on political rhetoric, online bickering, and recycled narratives across platforms while ignoring lived reality. That’s what makes them think “tribalism” or “clan favoritism” are defining problems, when they really aren’t.

As I explained here as well:
Somalis as a society are not inherently qabilist or tribalist. If that were true, we wouldn’t see such a sophisticated and efficient telecom sector, a vibrant private sector driven economy, and a functioning financial system because they would require us to trust and cooperate with one another beyond our clan.
Fukuyama, in his book “Trust: Social Virtues and the Creation of Prosperity,” argued that the key to prosperity lies in a society’s ability to organize effectively for commercial purposes without relying on blood ties or government intervention.
This pretty much typifies how Somali society operates .
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Fukuyama also explains that a low-trust society is essentially a tribal society.
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I realized when I looked at how other societies were organized, some were high trust like the Japanese, Germans, and Americans, while others were low-trust and actively required a centralized state to intervene, like in China, and Taiwan’s case. Otherwise, communities in those contexts wouldn’t be able to cooperate with each other at all. Many other African communities are also essentially tribal in nature and don’t trust anyone outside their family or tribal grouping, and without a strong government, cooperation breaks down. Most Africans neither trust eachother or their institutions.
 
If there was an improvement, I wouldn't have left because I loved it, but I wasn't want to waste my youth

The youth in Somalia are receiving major investments , support and training in entrepreneurship, vocational/technical and TVET programmings being rolled out nationwide. So there are are improvements.

I have spoken about this at length many times before but since yall hold some weird resentment towards the wider Somali collective and use this forum as a means to vent, it is ignored and treat it as if nothing is happening:
Our youth is our future. Glad to see it taking shape.


I don’t know about Lascanood, but in Somaliland they’ve taken action plans to address it by allocating funds to drive youth development and employment:
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They’ve attempted to roll out a bunch of different employment and job placement schemes:

In this study in Puntland published last year, they identified the causes of unemployment and made recommendations and reforms:


So in Puntland much like in Somaliland to address this, several initiatives and schemes are in place or proposed. These focus on vocational training, entrepreneurship, and aligning education with market demands. These efforts aim to equip young people with the skills needed for employment and encourage self employment opportunities.
It actually has a proven track record as an employment vehicle. In some parts of Somalia, graduates have turned to entrepreneurship or vocational work to find employment:
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The Somali regional government has successfully implemented educational programs tailored to local market needs:
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But that’s really what Somali regions at large need is to tailor the educational system to meet market demand. So I’m not too worried it’s a solvable issue, and they’ve already begun taking steps in the right direction.

They even have reality shows rolled out for them them

And various innovation incubators to empower youth with entrepreneurship skills so they can become job creators.

The Tahrib thing which i continuously have to contextualize had to with the educational system being misaligned with market demand, not because Somalia lacks opportunities or is even hopeless place(i know yall want it be like that) but because they are not trained or educated to take advantage of it in the right way. Which is changing now since they are being equipped with skills that can be directly applied to the market.

controlled by old politicians

A lot of countries around the world have their political systems dominated by old people . Take Japan and United states for example. Its the reason they are called the silver democracy or gerontocracy.

Are you going to frame them as hopeless places, are youth tahribing from there? No. It has to do with the fact that older people have more wealth, experience and longevity in the system. Also Political systems mostly favor incumbents which makes it harder for newcomers especially young people to enter in, so it takes years to build that familiarity, various other reasons as well.

Now i think this will change for Somalia as more youth become more experienced, educated, skilled and organized which opens up their ability to enter the political space more in the future.

We are starting to see this happen more now with youth even starting to lead political parties, before it was mostly older people with the experience, educational and networking background.

three companies that monopolize everything
Three companies do not monopolize or even control everything that is untrue. I know which companies you are talking about that are in the Money transfer and Telecom like Hormuud or Dahabshil. Why is it not true? because the Fintech/Telecom sector has many other major companies across the country , they even exist in the same spaces and its highly competitive, that's why Somalia has the cheapest calling rates in the region and the competition drives people to deliver better services and innovate so they don't lose out to their competition. Monopoly is anti competition which is completely the opposite of how Somalia's private sector functions.

This actually gained exposure during Starlink's entry into Somalia which made headlines:
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It's soo competitive that the Telecom companies have developed intense rivalries, almost akin to the rivalry between Apple and Microsoft, but instead of 2 companies its multiple ones.
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Now some companies might have a larger market share but that doesn't come from even monopolistic practices.

It's really comes through delivery of cheaper prices, better services to increase turner over. You can see this with Somalis businesses across East Africa.
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It's the same in every sector, like i mentioned a yesterday in my response to @Maintainnnin about the seed sector why it's particularly strong is because it has like 12 different companies competing.
It even has very innovative and strong seed companies, that a global seed organizations even praises.
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Now the biggest one out of the bunch is obviously Filsan , but it's clearly not monopoly at all. There is very little preventing anyone from entering into any market except that you have to compete and build from the ground up to match them. If there can be 10 leading companies in Telecom, 13 in the commercial banking sector etc they have branches across Somali cities and regions. It shows you that its highly competitive private sector.


And working with them like a slave, you have no rights

People aren't worked likes slaves with no rights in major private companies in Somalia, most employees actually receive bonuses and compensation fees if the salaries are insuffecient, thats why companies like Hormuud for example have high employee retention.

Same thing even in studies on construction sector(although i cant find the study now) but the electric power companies as well, they show are treated with respect by their supervisors who listen to them and they have opportunity for advancements. They are not treated like people with no rights at all
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Somalis actually treat their employees with dignity and respect , even in that other thread i showed a study that showed Somalis don't have slave -master relationship with their foreign maids unlike the Arabs and they are treated

You can also see with Ajanabis who work for Somali bosses across East Africa and even America that i have shared on this forum they always remark how much they love it. Somalis or Somalia are not as bad as yall try to imagine them to be all the time.

Do we have certain issues that need to be overcomed like any other society, yes. But Somalis don't hide them, they acknowledge them openly and actively work to address them every day.
 
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The youth in Somalia are receiving major investments , support and training in entrepreneurship, vocational/technical and TVET programmings being rolled out nationwide. So there are are improvements.

I have spoken about this at length many times before but since yall hold some weird resentment towards the wider Somali collective and use this forum as a means to vent, it is ignored and treat it as if nothing is happening:




They even have reality shows roled out for them them and various innovation incubators to empower youth with entreneurship skills so they can become job creators.

The Tahrib thing which i continuously have to contextualize had to with the educational system being misaligned with market demand, not because Somalia lacks opportunities or is even hopeless place(i know yall want it be like that) but because they are not trained or educated to take advantage of it in the right way. Which is changing now since they are being equipped with skills that can be directly applied to the market.



Also a lot of countries around the world have their political systems dominated by old people . Take Japan and United states for example. Its the reason they called the silver democracy or gerontocracy.

Are you going to frame them as hopeless places, are youth tahribing from there? No. It has to do with the fact that older people have more wealth, experience and longevity in the system. Also Political systems mostly favor incumbents which makes it harder for newcomers especially young people enter in, so it takes years to build that familiarity, various other reasons as well.

Now i think this will change for Somalia as more youth become more experienced, educated, skilled and organized which opens up their ability to enter the political space more in the future.




We are starting to see this happen more now with youth even starting to lead political parties, before it was mostly older people with the experience, educational and networking background.


Three companies do not monopolize or even control everything that is untrue. I know which companies you are talking about that are in the Money transfer and Telecom like Hormuud or Dahabshil. Why is it not true? because the Fintech/Telecom sector has many other major companies across the country , they even exist in the same spaces and its highly competitive, that's why Somalia has the cheapest calling rates in the region and the competition drives people to deliver better services and innovate so they don't lose out to their competition. Monopoly is anti competition which is completely the opposite of how Somalia's private sector functions.

This actually gained exposure during Starlink's entry into Somalia which made headlines:
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It's soo competitive that the Telecom companies have developed intense rivalries, almost akin to the rivalry between Apple and Microsoft, but instead of 2 companies its multiple ones.
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Now some companies might have a larger market share but that doesn't come from even monopolistic practices.

It's really comes through delivery of cheaper prices, better services to increase turner over. You can see this with Somalis businesses across East Africa.
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It's the same in every sector, like i mentioned a yesterday in my response to @Maintainnnin about the seed sector why it's particularly strong is because it has like 12 different companies competing.


Now the biggest one out of the bunch is obviously Filsan , but it's clearly not monopoly at all. There is very little preventing anyone from entering into any market except that you have to compete and build from the ground up to match them. If there can be 10 leading companies in Telecom, 13 in the commercial banking sector etc they have branches across Somali cities and regions. It shows you that its highly competitive private sector.




People aren't worked likes slaves with no rights in major private companies in Somalia, most employees actually receive bonuses and compensation fees if the salaries are insuffecient, thats why companies like Hormuud for example have high employee retention.

Same thing even in studies on construction sector(although i cant find the study now) but the electric power companies as well, they show are treated with respect by their supervisors who listen to them and they have opportunity for advancements. They are not treated like people with no rights at all
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Somalis actually treat their employees with dignity and respect , even in that other thread i showed a study that showed Somalis don't have slave -master relationship with their foreign maids unlike the Arabs and they are treated

You can also see with Ajanabis who work for Somali bosses across East Africa and even America that i have shared on this forum they always remark how much they love it. Somalis or Somalia are not as bad as yall try to imagine them to be all the time.

Do we have certain issues that need to be overcomed like any other society, yes. But Somalis don't hide them, they acknowledge them openly and actively work to address them every day.
When was the last time you were in Somalia and did you ever work? I went and worked everywhere where Somalis live. Waxaa Aniga hayga sheekeen
 
They even have reality shows rolled out for them them

And various innovation incubators to empower youth with entrepreneurship skills so they can become job creators.

Ran out of word space but here is but there is many other incubation centers to empower youth as well.

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When was the last time you were in Somalia and did you ever work? I went and worked everywhere where Somalis live. Waxaa Aniga hayga sheekeen

I don't care to convince you of anything. I wrote it so others on this forum, site visitors and on this thread would learn about how things are and gain some perspective.

I already know you are an internet basement dweller with an identity crisis so you project constant resentment and misinformation on purpose, you never worked a second in your life whether in Somalia or abroad.

Soo orod shaqo yeelo instead of cosplaying/larping on some internet forum.
 
Ran out of word space but here is but there is many other incubation centers to empower youth as well.

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I don't care to convince you of anything. I wrote it so others on this forum, site visitors and on this thread would learn about how things are and gain some perspective.

I already know you are an internet basement dweller with an identity crisis so you project constant resentment and misinformation on purpose, you never worked a second in your life whether in Somalia or abroad.

Soo orod shaqo yeelo instead of cosplaying/larping on some internet forum.
You are a shady person with some stupid ideologies And many former members exposed you Only emotional fools will believe you
 
You are a shady person with some stupid ideologies And many former members exposed you Only emotional fools will believe you

I’m not a shady person at all . I actually try to engage with people in good faith and actually provide real information on topics. They should believe me because i am showing them the balanced truth unlike you.

The only “stupid ideology” here is the doomer-incel nonsense you lot spew day in and day out from your burner accounts, driven by some weird identity crisis you can’t resolve.

Meanwhile, there are people out there "organizing, building, and contributing to something productive". Instead of being part of that, you sit here projecting and ranting.
 
I’m not a shady person at all . I actually try to engage with people in good faith and actually provide real information on topics. They should believe me because i am showing them the balanced truth unlike you.

The only “stupid ideology” here is the doomer-incel nonsense you lot spew day in and day out from your burner accounts, driven by some weird identity crisis you can’t resolve.

Meanwhile, there are people out there "organizing, building, and contributing to something productive". Instead of being part of that, you sit here projecting and ranting.
Go and be part of it why you are in Europe ?
Naa dadka beenta ka daa say walahi baa tahay wadanka meel aad ka martayna ma jirto busaaro Iyo camal la'aan mooye iyo 150 dollar qaado wax kale ma yaalo ee abgaal baa tahaye adeerka baa xilka haya intaa baad soomaliya iyo Somalinimo Ku waalatay hhhh
Wadanka meel walbaa reero ayaa isku haystaa
africana sida lookala xoog waynyahy ayaa loo noolyahay Somalina makala xishote
Waykala cabsata
Ee adeero soo barbaar noolsha waxbaa maad ka arage oo raaxo un baad Ku jirtay
 
Go and be part of it why you are in Europe ?
Naa dadka beenta ka daa say walahi baa tahay wadanka meel aad ka martayna ma jirto busaaro Iyo camal la'aan mooye iyo 150 dollar qaado wax kale ma yaalo ee abgaal baa tahaye adeerka baa xilka haya intaa baad soomaliya iyo Somalinimo Ku waalatay hhhh
Wadanka meel walbaa reero ayaa isku haystaa
africana sida lookala xoog waynyahy ayaa loo noolyahay Somalina makala xishote
Waykala cabsata
Ee adeero soo barbaar noolsha waxbaa maad ka arage oo raaxo un baad Ku jirtay
If u feel this way, maaxa meeshan ku keenay?? Somalia iz doomed, somali people are doomed bla bla bla. What else? This is boring
 
If u feel this way, maaxa meeshan ku keenay?? Somalia iz doomed, somali people are doomed bla bla bla. What else? This is boring
I laughed at what this naag is promoting
Portraying Somalia as better than Kenya is deceiving people.
I didn't say anything new, I said what we all know markaa buuq iga daaya
 
I laughed at what this naag is promoting
Portraying Somalia as better than Kenya is deceiving people.
I didn't say anything new, I said what we all know markaa buuq iga daaya
Idilina is actually correct. Somalia is on the way to becoming a better country than Kenya, and in some ways it already is. She provided receipts for all her claims
 

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