Kenyan calls for genocide against the Somalis

[Barkhadle1520]

@Idilinaa If Somalia is peaceful, beautiful and developing, come and live there. I was born there and ran away later When I see what you saying I say to myself maxaa u tahriibtay
But I know the reality more than you
You are say walahi

Dont know what your life was like but nobody is saying its a Utopia, we're just highlighting the progress that was done in just few years and where its heading now

 

[Father]

@Father
Kenya is a country of strangers, Somalia is not. Meaning every murder (especially of a woman) and brutal rapes are FELT since people are connected to eachother through clans and news spread FAST. Combine that with our love of storytelling, and all the online platforms that are dedicated to talking about every gruesome act in Somalia and it can easily skew perception of how common grape/murder is compared to other countries.

Also remember that there is no regulation of media in Somalia (perhaps only if you’re critical of the state or reveal sensitive information), meaning media outlets in Somalia and social media figures share EVERYTHING. Every brutal case ends up on our radar + in the absence of functioning institutions + us being a helpful people, victims & their families are vocal about rape to get the public to pay medical expenses or put pressure on local authorities so they can get justice etc.

20+ Kenyan women were gangr*ped during the protest btw, IN PUBLIC. Could you imagine something like this happening in Somalia? Even worse for something like this to barely get attention?

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I think alot of somalis underestimate how crazy the average 3rd world country is, even the best performing among them. But if you were to do a deep dive into them you’d realize quickly that somalis are tame, very very tame. It’s genuinely sick how much self-restrain they’ve displayed the last three decades despite the anarchy.

All good points. At least you're willing to have a discussion.
Truth to be told, I know Somalia is much better at many things than these bantu countries, but I just can't accept that in the year 2025, I can't live a good life in Somalia and work amongst my people, but I can in the west, middle east or even Kenya? How do I accept this? Middle class Somalis from the diaspora are choosing to settle in Kenya and Egypt, they go to India to get treatment, does that not hurt your soul?

 

[novanova]

What about tribal conflicts that result in 100s of death every year or the alshabab bombings? Something which doesn't happen in Kenya despite the people there being different ethnicities unlike Somalis in Somalia who are one. My point is, Somali people are so alike in every department that there should be no conflict there. The country shouldn't still be stagnant politically and extremely unstable. All these issues aren't the result of difference in religion or ethnicity, so how the f*ck do you explain it? Until someone comes up with a better explanation, the only one that makes sense to me is that the average IQ in Somalia is very low. Low IQ people cannot build a state and make it work. This has been proven. Somalia can only be saved by a dictator where the select few smart ones control the rest of the people.

It’s ok to feel frustration over the situation in Somalia, that doesn’t mean you have to perpetuate racist myths (that were never uttered pre 91 lol) like us having low iq. you should remember that things are improving daily in Somalia, alhamdullilah.

The key driver of young men dying in Somalia isn’t inherent clannism, it’s competition over scarce resources, weak governance and lack of opportunities. Once a proper, equitable resource-sharing system is implemented and more opportunities are offered to young men, these deaths will reduce significantly and society will stabilize.

 

[Father]

It’s ok to feel frustration over the situation in Somalia, that doesn’t mean you have to perpetuate racist myths (that were never uttered pre 91 lol) like us having low iq. you should remember that things are improving daily in Somalia, alhamdullilah.

The key driver of young men dying in Somalia isn’t inherent clannism, it’s competition over scarce resources, weak governance and lack of opportunities. Once a proper, equitable resource-sharing system is implemented, these deaths will reduce significantly and society will stabilize.

To be honest, it's hard to beat the low IQ allegations when Somalis who were born and raised in the west and who have received up to tertiary education still believe in qabiil. Qabiil discussions are the ultimate evidence for low IQ. The president of Somalia and the dude in Kismaayo couldn't agree politcally so they waged war on each other, both and their children are still living, eating and enjoying life. How many young men died in those battles? How many civilians died? and now there's talk they're going to come together and hash it out. f*ck both of them honestly! Why am I telling you this? I know people with university degrees in America who support either side. They are muslims, they pray and the put money and support into this. So if this is how the so called educated ones behave, how hopeful can one be about those raised in war in the country?

 

[moosaid]

Dont know what your life was like but nobody is saying its a Utopia, we're just highlighting the progress that was done in just few years and where its heading now

If there was an improvement, I wouldn't have left because I loved it, but I wasn't want to waste my youth in a place controlled by old politicians and three companies that monopolize everything And working with them like a slave, you have no rights

 

[zeila2wajir]

To be honest, it's hard to beat the low IQ allegations when Somalis who were born and raised in the west and who have received up to tertiary education still believe in qabiil. Qabiil discussions are the ultimate evidence for low IQ. The president of Somalia and the dude in Kismaayo couldn't agree politcally so they waged war on each other, both and their children are still living, eating and enjoying life. How many young men died in those battles? How many civilians died? and now there's talk they're going to come together and hash it out. f*ck both of them honestly! Why am I telling you this? I know people with university degrees in America who support either side. They are muslims, they pray and the put money and support into this. So if this is how the so called educated ones behave, how hopeful can one be about those raised in war in the country?

I get it but clans are everywhere. Japanese, Arabs, Scottish, Chinese, Koreans, Native Americans and many other groups have clans. I don’t think you can eliminate clans completely from Somali society. The reason people rely on clans is because the rule of law and state institutions are weak. When you don’t have strong and relatively non corrupt police forces, property rights, basic safety etc.. of course you’ll rely on your clans and communities. It’s the same across the Arab world. Libyans and Yemenis are struggling with clan divides due to weak institutions and collapse of the state but Emiratis and Kuwaitis are less tribalistic for example because they come from beautiful, strong places where the state can protect and they can for example just go to a police station to report a crime instead of just like relying on vendettas.

 

[Idilinaa]

You're calling me an incel yet you're preaching to me that throwing insults behind keyboard is bad. This is the low IQ I am talking about. You can't even keep your opinions consistent for 30 seconds, probably because your prefrontal cortex is too under developed to allow it.

I bet you live somewhere in the west, why don't pack and go live in this great country?

I never called you an incel. I told you to step away from the online noise because it makes people lose touch with reality, consume themselves with negativity, and hold onto resentment. Your rants aren’t affecting other people., they’re just weighing you down. What is more Low IQ then partaking self destructive behaviour.

But I’ll take the self-admission: you and your kind are clearly internet basement-dwelling weirdos. Keep ranting about Somalia for the next 30 years , it won’t change your life situation. Whether Somalia or Somali people are “bad” or “good” isn’t why your life sucks or why you have nothing to your name. So by all means, keep ranting.

 

[Idilinaa]

I get it but clans are everywhere. Japanese, Arabs, Scottish, Chinese, Koreans, Native Americans and many other groups have clans. I don’t think you can eliminate clans completely from Somali society. The reason people rely on clans is because the rule of law and state institutions are weak. When you don’t have strong and relatively non corrupt police forces, property rights, basic safety etc.. of course you’ll rely on your clans and communities. It’s the same across the Arab world. Libyans and Yemenis are struggling with clan divides due to weak institutions and collapse of the state but Emiratis and Kuwaitis are less tribalistic for example because they come from beautiful, strong places where the state can protect and they can for example just go to a police station to report a crime instead of just like relying on vendettas.

For Somalis, clans are not political units. People don’t rely on them because the state is weak or the rule of law is absent , they rely on them for economic and social support. The clan system itself emerged as a framework for facilitating trade, cooperation, and resource-sharing. It’s essentially a product of our geography: the flat plateaus and open plains made constant movement, interaction, and trade with one another inevitable.

I’ve explained this multiple times before, but read this:

Also we discussed how important terminology is when it comes to Somalis. I think it equally applies for the term" Tribe/Tribal". I don't think these accurately describes our social structure and clans are not political units.

The term "tribal" is indeed misleading when applied to Somali society, especially in the context of political and social organization. Somali clans (or extended family units and lineages) are not separate, distinct political entities in the way that "tribes" might be viewed in other parts of the world. Instead, these clans were social and economic networks that helped facilitate cooperation, trade, and resource-sharing.

Clans in Somalia are fundamentally based on kinship and lineage, often tracing back to common ancestors. This structure isn't about creating distinct, separate cultural groups; it's about families coming together for mutual economic and social benefit.

The concept of tribes implies groups with rigid boundaries, cultural differences, and political independence, but Somali clans were more fluid and dynamic, focused on economic production, land use, and intermarriage across these networks.

In Somali society, clans didn't function as politically independent or autonomous units, but rather as interdependent extended families with shared economic interests.

So they were in reality economic units, not political units. Instead of functioning as political entities that governed territories, Somali clans coordinated economic activities like livestock herding, trade, and agriculture

You can also see this with the Cooperatives(iskashaato) , Guilds (ururs) and Tariqas (Orders) that people of seperate clan origins came together and organized out of shared interests. Then there is also the sultanates that had bureaucratic structures and taxation systems, militaries and foreign diplomacy.

Clan affiliations were important, but the political and economic systems transcended clan lines.

When the Somali system is described as "tribal," it implies cultural isolation and political disorder, which is far from the reality of a cohesive, organized, and commercially active society.

You’re right that most societies have their own informal social systems even the Chinese with "guanxi" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi#

Clans aren’t nearly the issue people make them out to be. The problem is that people focus on political rhetoric, online bickering, and recycled narratives across platforms while ignoring lived reality. That’s what makes them think “tribalism” or “clan favoritism” are defining problems, when they really aren’t.

As I explained here as well:

Somalis as a society are not inherently qabilist or tribalist. If that were true, we wouldn’t see such a sophisticated and efficient telecom sector, a vibrant private sector driven economy, and a functioning financial system because they would require us to trust and cooperate with one another beyond our clan.

Fukuyama, in his book “Trust: Social Virtues and the Creation of Prosperity,” argued that the key to prosperity lies in a society’s ability to organize effectively for commercial purposes without relying on blood ties or government intervention.

This pretty much typifies how Somali society operates .

Trust: The driving force behind many Somali traders’ success

The phenomenal growth of Somali businesses in Kenya’s commercial towns and urban centres is an envy to any would-be entrepreneur or business person.

www.standardmedia.co.ke

Fukuyama also explains that a low-trust society is essentially a tribal society.

I realized when I looked at how other societies were organized, some were high trust like the Japanese, Germans, and Americans, while others were low-trust and actively required a centralized state to intervene, like in China, and Taiwan’s case. Otherwise, communities in those contexts wouldn’t be able to cooperate with each other at all. Many other African communities are also essentially tribal in nature and don’t trust anyone outside their family or tribal grouping, and without a strong government, cooperation breaks down. Most Africans neither trust eachother or their institutions.