Kenyan calls for genocide against the Somalis

[sums20]

Ik most somalis will disagree with me but I believe in the future a special kind of visa or citizenship should be given to professionals from Kenya or Ethiopia to come work here, we have an insane Surgeon and teachers shortage, especially Surgeons and other specilized jobs like that, teachers is fixable if the state manages to raise salaries

Theres too many shady arab doctors working in Xamar and Hargeisa specifically, I rather an honest oromo with an actual degree do the job, even if we start training specialized surgeons today there wont be enough for a good decade

People are def gonna disagree lol but i do think you have a point its better to have trustworthy people we can verify to do their job and know about than some random guy who doesn't know jack. I would prefer we invest a lot more in training our people and enticing diaspora doctors but you're right that's not gonna change for a while.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

People are def gonna disagree lol but i do think you have a point its better to have trustworthy people we can verify to do their job and know about than some random guy who doesn't know jack. I would prefer we invest a lot more in training our people and enticing diaspora doctors but that's not gonna change for a while.

Doctors arent really a problem tbh, we already got lots of doctor schools that opened recently Ive made a thread on it

But nearly every country struggles with Surgeons, especially in 3rd world countries its a big problem cause the little surgeons they have go chase higher salaries abroad, imagine studying hard for a decade or more to get paid the same as a shoe cleaner, if theres no government to pay nice fat salaries to these surgeons its cooked

Not so funny story about a Hospital in Japan that let a fake Surgeon operate and kill multiple patients cause they couldnt fire him due to a Surgeons shortage in the country

 

[sums20]

Doctors arent really a problem tbh, we already got lots of doctor schools that opened recently Ive made a thread on it

But nearly every country struggles with Surgeons, especially in 3rd world countries its a big problem cause the little surgeons they have go chase higher salaries abroad, imagine studying hard for a decade or more to get paid the same as a shoe cleaner, if theres no government to pay nice fat salaries to these surgeons its cooked

Not so funny story about a Hospital in Japan that let a fake Surgeon operate and kill multiple patients cause they couldnt fire him due to a Surgeons shortage in the country

Bisinka yeah we need to start putting an effort into training and recruiting surgeons immediately but if even Japan is having a shortage and struggling I wonder how we will be able to overcome this. The point on doctors is wonderful though

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Bisinka yeah we need to start putting an effort into training and recruiting surgeons immediately but if even Japan is having a shortage and struggling I wonder how we will be able to overcome this. The point on doctors is wonderful though

I expect in the future more and more people will travel to China for cheap and reliable healthcare, many Americans already do this

 

[Zak12]

Did you have a bad day ? We can talk about it if you want, you dont have to suffer alone man

Its kind of fascinating seeing a guy who thinks Somalia is still stuck in the 90s. You and I could show him countless videos of Somalis living normal lives in Hargeisa, Borama, Garowe, Mogadishu ect but that would probably fall on deaf ears.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Its kind of fascinating seeing a guy who thinks Somalia is still stuck in the 90s. You and I could show him countless videos of Somalis living normal lives in Hargeisa, Borama, Garowe, Mogadishu ect but that would probably fall on deaf ears.

That image people have of Somalia is going to remain as long as FGS is so incompetent, weak and poor and as long as shabaab is still around, if shabaab gets defeated it will open a new page of history for the country

FGS cant defeat shabaab with this current budget but lets say they did, even then without Shabaab the country would become way more prosperous visibly to ignore, when you go on google maps you can visibly see how much poorer the South is compared to the North, except Mogadishu of course

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With stability and peace I believe the South has more potential than the north if we being honest, they can make more money from trade with Kenya and EAC countries as well as Ethiopia, they can also make money from Agriculture, but the region is still primitive and theres not that many roads especially south of Afgoye

Agriculture alone could transform the whole place, Hirshabelle has a lot of money to make if it gets freed

 

[Zak12]

That image people have of Somalia is going to remain as long as FGS is so incompetent, weak and poor and as long as shabaab is still around, if shabaab gets defeated it will open a new page of history for the country

FGS cant defeat shabaab with this current budget but lets say they did, even then without Shabaab the country would become way more prosperous visibly to ignore, when you go on google maps you can visibly see how much poorer the South is compared to the North, except Mogadishu of course

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With stability and peace I believe the South has more potential than the north if we being honest, they can make more money from trade with Kenya and EAC countries as well as Ethiopia, they can also make money from Agriculture, but the region is still primitive and theres not that many roads especially south of Afgoye

Agriculture alone could transform the whole place, Hirshabelle has a lot of money to make if it gets freed

Yeah AS is nerfing the south really hard. Farmers are unable to transport their goods a whole lot and international investors stay away. And Ethiopia and Kenya use AS as an excuse to continue parking their troops in areas like Gedo and Jubaland.

Nearly all of Somalia's problems are linked to AS, take them out and the country would transform rapidly within several years.

 

[Idilinaa]

High IQ society doesn't invest in weapons to mow each other down while their people don't have clean drinking water, or their children lack basic vaccines. Keep coping tho, who am I to get in the way of a good story.
Every country in Africa is home to dozens of distinct ethnic groups and most get along and function fine, but "high IQ" Somalis, despite being practically the same damn people, continue to kill each other and continue to destroy their country.

You are right. A high IQ society invest in productive sectors of the economy

Which is exactly what Somalis do:

A large part of their investment went to clean water supply

This is why Somalia had 80% clean water access in 2020

With 75% of people across most towns and cities(urban9) have access to piped water into their dwellings

It's the same story with health care, only 5.4% of the population is deprived of it

It comes back to what i said before about the word ''cope"

“Coping” is just a term people use when they spend all their time online, living off doom posting and memes.

Try going outside and interacting with real, everyday people. Not everyone lives in outrage bubbles , most can assess things rationally.

You can rant on this thread for days or even weeks with incoherent ramblings , it won’t change the reality on the ground. Somalis are living in peace, cooperating with one another, and making real progress in their regions. The diaspora is returning home to contribute, build, and give back.

If that bothers you, feel free to keep spiraling through your burner accounts. The real low IQ move is believing that shouting insults from behind a keyboard is going to change anything or affect anyone

 

[Barkhadle1520]

and international investors stay away

Not even international, not even Somali companies want to invest inland except a few minor investments in the cities like baydhabo and beletweyne

 

[Idilinaa]

On the topic of ''AS" i said this in the NTP thread: It is worth reading

Al-Shabaab does not control a third of the country at all. Their presence is limited to a patchwork of rural villages or remote open areas where they hide. They operate more like scattered rural bandits than a governing authority.

Their survival depends on mobility, intimidation, and taxing remote communities, not genuine territorial control. Meanwhile, every major town and populated area in south-central Somalia has remained under federal or regional government control for years.

People often overestimate their strength. I realized this after seeing how many fully equipped, professional private security companies (PSCs) exist across Somalia, funded by local communities and the diaspora. They function like mini armies, effectively protecting their areas.

The fact that Al-Shabaab cannot capture or hold cities is proof that Somali PSCs, federal forces, and local defense groups are stronger than outsiders think. At this point, they’re more of a chronic security nuisance than an existential threat.

Al-Shabaab survives as a fluid insurgency rather than a governing power, which shows the system works they’re stuck in survival mode, not expansion. And despite their presence, production and development have expanded across regions. For example, crop processing companies operate in Jubba, Middle Shabelle, and Lower Shabelle, exporting produce from local farmlands. Various major companies have branch offices in various towns across the south. On the ground there is a lot economic growth that has happened that people don't realize because political coverage and bickering dominate the headlines and social media posts.

What i said was pretty much echoed in the SOMINVEST by local companies:

Al-Shabaab is a complete nuisance and the main contributor to Somalia’s continued ''conflict'' image. It’s not just because the FGS is incompetent or lacks resources (though that’s definitely part of it), it’s mainly because Al-Shabaab operates as a fluid insurgency, basically a loosely organized militia. Their unconventional tactics give them an edge and make them really hard to wipe out.

I remember one analyst saying that it’s actually thanks to private security firms, defense groups, and the SNA that Al-Shabaab is mostly contained in the southern part of Somalia and that the North should be thankful for that. But that also shows you something else: they clearly don’t have the capacity to expand and take over populated areas , they just move around in remote areas.

They avoid full-scale confrontations with Somali or international forces and often melt into remote communities when under pressure. Banditry and asymmetric tactics are far more central to how they operate.

 

[Zak12]

On the topic of ''AS" i said this in the NTP thread: It is worth reading





What i said was pretty much echoed in the SOMINVEST by local companies:
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Al-Shabaab is a complete nuisance and the main contributor to Somalia’s continued ''conflict'' image. It’s not just because the FGS is incompetent or lacks resources (though that’s definitely part of it), it’s mainly because Al-Shabaab operates as a fluid insurgency, basically a loosely organized militia. Their unconventional tactics give them an edge and make them really hard to wipe out.

I remember one analyst saying that it’s actually thanks to private security firms, defense groups, and the SNA that Al-Shabaab is mostly contained in the southern part of Somalia and that the North should be thankful for that. But that also shows you something else: they clearly don’t have the capacity to expand and take over populated areas , they just move around in remote areas.

They avoid full-scale confrontations with Somali or international forces and often melt into remote communities when under pressure. Banditry and asymmetric tactics are far more central to how they operate.

I agree with everything you said but doesn't Al-Shabab take in a lot of money from taxation? I've heard numerous times that they have better funding and finance than FGS which would explain why they are able to continue getting weapons despite being sanctioned. So unless an outsider party is backing or shipping equipment to Shabaab, its reasonable to assume they make a lot of bank unlike the FGS which continues to rely on hand outs.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

I agree with everything you said but doesn't Al-Shabab take in a lot of money from taxation? I've heard numerous times that they have better funding and finance than FGS which would explain why they are able to continue getting weapons despite being sanctioned. So unless an outsider party is backing or shipping equipment to Shabaab, its reasonable to assume they make a lot of bank unlike the FGS which continues to rely on hand outs.

They do make over 100 million, they make more than local governments in taxation, like 10 times more cause they abuse ts out of isbaaros, maybe in 2009-2012 they had more resources than TFG/FGS but now its not even close, FGS has drones helicopters etc they just dont use any it, helicopters are used for dalxiis and they stopped using the drones as much recently, HSM just doesnt care about shabaab

They get their weapons from Iran/Houthis through Puntland, and Puntland makes a lot of money from this so they dont care

https://x.com/hornaristocrat/status/1967990262564786672

Apparently this is also why FGS wants to get a navy cause if they manage to keep Puntland and the Gulf of Aden in check shabaab will be cut off their main line of supplies, still not enough to beat them tho, they spend tens of millions on weapons and ammo every year they probably got enough to last years

But if FGS lost their donor support Shabab would certainly have the upper hand, right now with good leadership shabaab would be out of most regions or completely dismantled in one term, but since its FGS

 

[Idilinaa]

I agree with everything you said but doesn't Al-Shabab take in a lot of money from taxation? I've heard numerous times that they have better funding and finance than FGS which would explain why they are able to continue getting weapons despite being sanctioned. So unless an outsider party is backing or shipping equipment to Shabaab, its reasonable to assume they make a lot of bank unlike the FGS which continues to rely on hand outs.

Yes, they do tax some remote communities, but that only makes up a small portion of their revenue significantly less than what the FGS collects, as people like @Barkhadle1520 have pointed out. The majority of Al‑Shabab's income actually comes from extortion, blackmail, and illegal smuggling operations.

That’s why observers described their revenue as ‘extortion-generated.’

There’s also support coming from outside actors like the Houthis and certain Iranian networks , as discussed in HornAristocrat's thread but its not for ideological reasons, its for mutual financial reasons and that support is enabled through maritime access routes.

If the goal is to get rid of them, the most effective approach would be to dismantle their financial networks and logistics routes. Two things can help the FGS do this, naval fleets and aircraft.

Aircraft are crucial because they make it harder for militants to escape into remote areas, and they allow forces to bypass landmines and ambush zones. That increases the chances of successfully targeting and eliminating Al‑Shabab cells.

These are being addressed currently , hopefully soon.

But it’s still a tricky situation , the army has to carry out operations while minimizing harm to civilians in the surrounding areas. Alshabaab is not constraint by this because they have a total disregard for civilian life.

 

[Zak12]

Puntland makes a lot of money from this so they dont care

Is it really purely for money reasons? I thought Deni was planning to run for president so it makes little sense why he would allow the nation's main security threat to be funded via Puntland channels.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Yes, they do tax some remote communities, but that only makes up a small portion of their revenue

No its like 80% of their revenues thats how they stay afloat, without isbaaros theres no shabaab

Alshabaab is not constraint by this because they have a total disregard for civilian life.

Thats debatable

They still have a reputation to maintain so they dont just go around doing anything, and they have a good judicial system for civilian complaints, they take advantage of every mistake FGS makes, for example when HSM was destroying homes in Xamar last week they released a statement and did a speech condemning it

 

[Zak12]

as discussed in HornAristocrat's thread

On his point about illegal fishing costing Somalia hundreds of millions, didn't you say that is no longer the case and the Puntland government has clamped down on illegal fishing?

https://x.com/hornaristocrat/status/1967991738804670916?t=tz6JTLf2f_Iy0BZcs-fazQ&s=19

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Is it really purely for money reasons? I thought Deni was planning to run for president so it makes little sense why he would allow the nation's main security threat to be funded via Puntland channels.

Are you forgetting about the move HSM pulled in Sool ? Puntland-FGS relations are probably at their worst right now, and with the recent discoveries of hundreds of billions worth of mineral resources in Sanaag Puntland is not letting it go, pretty sure they had short clashes when Waqoyi Galbeed troops were trying to expand north, WG as a state cannot exist with Sanaag

 

[Barkhadle1520]

On his point about illegal fishing costing Somalia hundreds of millions, didn't you say that is no longer the case and the Puntland government has clamped down on illegal fishing?

https://x.com/hornaristocrat/status/1967991738804670916?t=tz6JTLf2f_Iy0BZcs-fazQ&s=19

I think its explained in the thread how they manage to get away with it, dont forget PMPF is considered a very primitive coast guard by international standards they use small patrol boats with machine guns mounted on top, most dont have a radar they just go by reports or patrol visually, this is only effective against small houthi speed boats and slow dhows

Also what FGS considers illegal Puntland doesnt care and still hand out licences since FGS cant do shit about it, they're basically getting pushed around by their supposed FMS lol

 

[Zak12]

Are you forgetting about the move HSM pulled in Sool ? Puntland-FGS relations are probably at their worst right now, and with the recent discoveries of hundreds of billions worth of mineral resources in Sanaag Puntland is not letting it go, pretty sure they had short clashes when WG troops were expanding north

I'm aware. There is also that time a Turkish weapon shipment that was supposed to be headed to Mogadishu but was seized by Puntland. All this yet on top of working with Iran/Houthis is really crazy to me despite their animosity towards FGS.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

I'm aware. There is also that time a Turkish weapon shipment that was supposed to be headed to Mogadishu but was seized by Puntland.

Nah thats the thing they didnt intercept it even if they tried they couldnt

The ship had technical problems so it docked in Bosaso, then they detained it