Jubbaland: 'We will not share our resources with the SFG'

[Abdalla]

The SFG minister of fishery and natural resources is a lying f*ck. He said that the negotiations on resource sharing that happened in Seychelles failed, despite that he didn't attend it. It was actually a success and all parties agreed to a 70-30% sharing in favour of the federal states. Of those 30% that the SFG receives, 14% would go to other federal states. When he flat out lied about the success of the deal, Jubbaland says that they won't share the resources

The sad and honest truth is that there is no way to work with the Xamar administration. They simply can't uphold their word and promises. They agree and sign the papers today just to deny tomorrow.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

70 % goes to federal states whilst 30 % to the federal government Federal states keep their 70 %, but also get 14 % that belongs to the federal government.

So why doesn't the federal states just get 84 % instead? Why take 30 % that belong to Puntland and give 14 % back to Puntland?

I will wait for the input of the more educated members, you have a history of lying.

 

[Abdalla]

70 % goes to federal states whilst 30 % to the federal government Federal states keep their 70 %, but also get 14 % that belongs to the federal government.

So why doesn't the federal states just get 84 % instead? Why take 30 % that belong to Puntland and give 14 % back to Puntland?

I will wait for the input of the more educated members, you have a history of lying.

It goes to other federal states, dumb f*ck. So if Puntland pays 30% other states will share the 14%

 

[DrippinglyWet]

The SFG minister of fishery and natural resources is a lying f*ck. He said that the negotiations on resource sharing that happened in Seychelles failed, despite that he didn't attend it. It was actually a success and all parties agreed to a 70-30% sharing in favour of the federal states. Of those 30% that the SFG receives, 14% would go to other federal states. When he flat out lied about the success of the deal, Jubbaland says that they won't share the resources

The sad and honest truth is that there is no way to work with the Xamar administration. They simply can't uphold their word and promises. They agree and sign the papers today just to deny tomorrow.

Wasn't this deal purely about Tuna/fishing earnings? I don't think this was a deal about the framework of taxiation on resources other than fishing and federal state I believe.
http://www.garoweonline.com/en/news...shus-claims-of-sabotaging-talks-in-seychelles

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

so long as PL keeps 70% and the 14% comes from sfg's end, then it is a good deal. The 14% will go to regions with no fishing. The minister is from Sool maybe he killed the deal because he wanted more for his region.

 

[TSP]

Madobe speaks for himself. He was exposed by one of jubbaland's parliamentarians as uber-corrupt with the profits going to his family's coffers instead of the state. If he wishes to be a thorn then that's his choice but every choice will have its consequences. God willing, I'll go over there and end that racketeering

 

[Abdalla]

Wasn't this deal purely about Tuna earnings? I don't think this was a deal about the framework of taxiation on resources and federal state I believe.
http://www.garoweonline.com/en/news...shus-claims-of-sabotaging-talks-in-seychelles

This was about tuna fish, but could serve a premise for further resource sharing. There were two meeting one in Mogadishu and the other in Seychelles. The minister didn't bother to show up at the conference in Seychelles, but sent dignitaries on his behalf. There was initially a deal of 70-30 share. All the federal member states and representatives of the SFG agreed to that deal. Even Jubbaland is stating in their letter in the OP that the denial of the minister of the Seychelles deal is a reason for them to stop talks about further resource sharing
http://www.garoweonline.com/en/news...member-states-agree-to-share-fishing-revenues

It was actually a huge success, but the minister made it seem like some parties left the negotiation table.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

This was about tuna fish, but could serve a premise for further resource sharing. There were two meeting one in Mogadishu and the other in Seychelles. The minister didn't bother to show up at the conference in Seychelles, but sent dignitaries on his behalf. There was initially a deal of 70-30 share. All the federal member states and representatives of the SFG agreed to that deal. Even Jubbaland is stating in their letter in the OP that the denial of the minister of the Seychelles deal is a reason for them to stop talks about further resource sharing
http://www.garoweonline.com/en/news...member-states-agree-to-share-fishing-revenues

It was actually a huge success, but the minister made it seem like some parties left the negotiation table.

Success ? Didn't the deal bombed because of the collapse of talks.

 

[Abdalla]

Madobe speaks for himself. He was exposed by one of jubbaland's parliamentarians as uber-corrupt with the profits going to his family's coffers instead of the state. If he wishes to be a thorn then that's his choice but every choice will have its consequences. God willing, I'll go over there and end that racketeering

What happened to citing Madoobe 'qabyaalad is dead in somalia it's only left in the diaspora' or taking him as an example on how a federal state president should behave? You guys are intellectually dishonest

 

[MadNomad]

This is precisely the issue with federalism. A country that has to beg and plead and bargain with itself over its own recourses will never prosper.

 

[Lordilord]

It goes to other federal states, dumb f*ck. So if Puntland pays 30% other states will share the 14%

This is what I'm talking about, you can't take anything this dude @Prince of Lasanod says serious. He writes without thinking. fml

 

[Abdalla]

Success ? Didn't the deal bombed because of the collapse of talks.

No. This is how it chronologically went down

1: Meeting xamar to scan each others needs and point noses to same direction for the upcoming meeting in Seychelles. Successful
2: Meeting Seychelles for an expert meeting. Deal was made, every federal state wanted that dea. The minister doesn't show up but sends representatives. A deal is made here.
3: Ministers says the next day talks have collapsed
4; Jubbaland says, the talks were successful and the minister shouldn't deny the deal we made. Because he denied, we won't participate in any resource sharing talks.

 

[Gambar]

This is what I'm talking about, you can't take anything this dude @Prince of Lasanod says serious. He writes without thinking. fml

Dumbest nick on here after Inquisitive. Actually they are neck and neck.

 

[TSP]

What happened to citing Madoobe 'qabyaalad is dead in somalia it's only left in the diaspora' or taking him as an example on how a federal state president should behave? You guys are intellectually dishonest

Other people can still use him as an example, I'm just one of the rare few that is extremely biased towards him only because of how he got into power. I'm just an outlier looking for any excuse to take him down.

If more states come out against SFG then it would validate your earlier claims against the SFG minister. Jubbaland breaking ranks with SFG means that the SFG can't frame Puntland as an obstacle to progress anymore.

However, there has to be more to it. I know everyone is looking out for their own self-interest at the negotiations table, but why did Jubbaland decide to back away at this time. I guess we will know more very soon

 

[Abdalla]

Other people can still use him as an example, I'm just one of the rare few that is extremely biased towards him only because of how he got into power. I'm just an outlier looking for any excuse to take him down.

If more states come out against SFG then it would validate your earlier claims against the SFG minister. Jubbaland breaking ranks with SFG means that the SFG can't frame Puntland as an obstacle to progress anymore.

However, there has to be more to it. I know everyone is looking out for their own self-interest at the negotiations table, but why did Jubbaland decide to back away at this time. I guess we will know more very soon

Taking a week or so to take a drastic measurement as this is not weird.

 

[TSP]

Taking a week or so to take a drastic measurement as this is not weird.

I'm just cynical towards Somali politics. All I hope is that this reversal is only a negotiation ploy to meant get a better share in other natural resources and wasn't influenced by outsiders with nefarious intent towards Somalia's progress.

 

[Abdalla]

I'm just cynical towards Somali politics. All I hope is that this reversal is only a negotiation ploy to meant get a better share in other natural resources and wasn't influenced by outsiders with nefarious intent towards Somalia's progress.

True, but I noticed that your cynicism is one-sided.

 

[XamarCade]

Brought to you by Federalism

 

[horumar]

Lol do you guys want our fish? Come and get it before we give 19% to the Ethiopians

 

[XamarCade]

Lol do you guys want our fish? Come and get it before we give 19% to the Ethiopians

Hold on walaalo We're coming