Israel Points for it's justification to exist.
1. Religious link to the land for thousands of years
2. Holocaust reminder and how it's critical for jews to have a home
3. Arabs live there not palestinians, they all came from the ottoman empire in 1880
4. Arabs hate us and keep re-drawing their borders to eliminate jewish presence. They use prior to israel taking jerusalem and west bank from jordan, the palestine constitution didn't include freeing jerusalem as it was with jordanians.
5. Arabs land were abadoned and empty desert, why u want it now when I came
6. Arabs sold the land to jews.(not all but some did)
Palestine Points
1. It is palestinian land and you own nothing. Has proof they settled there with ottoman records and british census records. Biggest point argued your a fuckin invader. All points they bring up reinforces it.
2. Refutes land was sold due to economic reasons and with the assumption you were settlers not invader(assuming this haven't heard it from their mouth but im sure they will reinforce their invader argument against israel). It's hard to imagine someone gonna sell a house or land to someone who will then conquer him tommorow.
3. They state a-lot of massacres by Zionist and basically saying your whole Israel is built on Palestinian grave-yards(re-inforces invader argument)
4. They show how people were displaced by Israelis through force with some even having their keys to their home(re-inforces your an invader argument)
5. Debunks the empty land most likely saying many countries contain empty zones(nevada desert, central australia) does it mean they dont own it(assuming this as u need to prepare for all scenarios)
6. Argues about current settlement expansion proving your still INVADERS as that is their whole premise the invader argument and they look for anything israel does to add to that argument lol.
Non-stakeholders or I assume Neutral people reviewing it
1. Israel founded on 'jewish identity no other person was present creating it' hence it's a jewish homeland first and foremost not FREEDOM or else others would be there. So it's identity politics(none agrees on identity it's not shared values)
2. Palestine formed on identity also and arabism and goal to remove jewish identity.
Result
Identity wars and not 1 side nudging. Lets not waste our time here and stay the f*ck outta this region no embassies even by Somalis when we recover from this shit not even in palestine or israel, if we can avoid it. Nothing will come from jewish identity vs arab identity negiotating ever, it's one wanting to be supreme over the other. No shared values on table that supercedes their difference at all. It's not a good outcome. We must vote neutral at anything regarding these guys in the UN, no pro no negative. We dont want anything to do with it. Thru this we can take gains and interests as that's all we need from these areas whatever that maybe such as economic, military, technology, etc etc. The short term things just mutual interest NOTHING ELSE.
Hope(there always hope)
They sit down and say no jewishness no arabism since identity is the problem right? we create a state on shared values between us and do everything based on that. If that happens then we should only consider going on any side here and then we need to make sure there is no bad negiotators with ulterior motives, agendas, hate, gain, and all that stuff and the usual.
That's the sort of stuff we want from our ambassadors in each country sending to our govt on its foreign policy towards that country.
1. Religious link to the land for thousands of years
2. Holocaust reminder and how it's critical for jews to have a home
3. Arabs live there not palestinians, they all came from the ottoman empire in 1880
4. Arabs hate us and keep re-drawing their borders to eliminate jewish presence. They use prior to israel taking jerusalem and west bank from jordan, the palestine constitution didn't include freeing jerusalem as it was with jordanians.
5. Arabs land were abadoned and empty desert, why u want it now when I came
6. Arabs sold the land to jews.(not all but some did)
Palestine Points
1. It is palestinian land and you own nothing. Has proof they settled there with ottoman records and british census records. Biggest point argued your a fuckin invader. All points they bring up reinforces it.
2. Refutes land was sold due to economic reasons and with the assumption you were settlers not invader(assuming this haven't heard it from their mouth but im sure they will reinforce their invader argument against israel). It's hard to imagine someone gonna sell a house or land to someone who will then conquer him tommorow.
3. They state a-lot of massacres by Zionist and basically saying your whole Israel is built on Palestinian grave-yards(re-inforces invader argument)
4. They show how people were displaced by Israelis through force with some even having their keys to their home(re-inforces your an invader argument)
5. Debunks the empty land most likely saying many countries contain empty zones(nevada desert, central australia) does it mean they dont own it(assuming this as u need to prepare for all scenarios)
6. Argues about current settlement expansion proving your still INVADERS as that is their whole premise the invader argument and they look for anything israel does to add to that argument lol.
Non-stakeholders or I assume Neutral people reviewing it
1. Israel founded on 'jewish identity no other person was present creating it' hence it's a jewish homeland first and foremost not FREEDOM or else others would be there. So it's identity politics(none agrees on identity it's not shared values)
2. Palestine formed on identity also and arabism and goal to remove jewish identity.
Result
Identity wars and not 1 side nudging. Lets not waste our time here and stay the f*ck outta this region no embassies even by Somalis when we recover from this shit not even in palestine or israel, if we can avoid it. Nothing will come from jewish identity vs arab identity negiotating ever, it's one wanting to be supreme over the other. No shared values on table that supercedes their difference at all. It's not a good outcome. We must vote neutral at anything regarding these guys in the UN, no pro no negative. We dont want anything to do with it. Thru this we can take gains and interests as that's all we need from these areas whatever that maybe such as economic, military, technology, etc etc. The short term things just mutual interest NOTHING ELSE.
Hope(there always hope)
They sit down and say no jewishness no arabism since identity is the problem right? we create a state on shared values between us and do everything based on that. If that happens then we should only consider going on any side here and then we need to make sure there is no bad negiotators with ulterior motives, agendas, hate, gain, and all that stuff and the usual.
That's the sort of stuff we want from our ambassadors in each country sending to our govt on its foreign policy towards that country.
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