This is because of the extremism of the average UGUS member. Some captured militiants apparently don’t even know Zawahiri is dead.
Is this true? Apparently Arsenal doesn’t allow its fighters to access the internet because they might defect to Daesh
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This is because of the extremism of the average UGUS member. Some captured militiants apparently don’t even know Zawahiri is dead.
I suspect not for IS but many of the groups more ideologically orientated fighters would stop being khawariji if they interacted with somalis on social media. Somali social media is extremely against AS, so many of the members bubble would crash. Also restricting internet access makes it harder to gather intelligence.
Absurd and naive post. If you are a khawarij you think 90 percent of the Muslim world is kuffar, why would the opinions of some online people matter to you?
AS is probably the most extreme branch of AQ outside of AQAP, so they would takfir AQ central and the Taliban if they had internet access.
Dacish has a really bad image not only amongst civilian populations, but also amongst other jihadi movements. They don’t care because they see shabab, HTS, Taliban and all others as gaalo. AS is also an independent movement and does not pledge allegiance to any so-called caliphate. I think there are nuances between the groups which also explain why there have not been that many defectors. AS also has a strong amniyat system which quickly rids them of dissenters ( Godane killed his closest aides for questioning tactics). The problem with some of these analyst is that they tend to forget the local dynamics at play. Shabab entrenches itself in Somali clan conflicts and has survived for 20 years. This is more of worthy study than some supposed internet ban. Youths in those areas they Control of problem only ever know their governance. It would be easy to paint Dacish as bad guys.
Despite having a worse image than AS, DAESH killed less Sunni jazirite Arabs than AS killed Somali Sunnis. DAESH is evil but they are smart enough to know not to kill their own potential support base.
Godane declared AS as being apart of AQ back in 2012. He was the one that pushed group into the global jihad angle and wanted to use Somalia as a staging ground for terrorism across East Africa.
tyrannicalmanager
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make sense, how else could a Shabaabist reconcile with supporting Hamas despite it propogating democracy and not enforcing Sharia.
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AQ has always had a looser structure than IS and the group is not what it was in the past. The groups in Somalia and Sahel allied to them are more like independent franchises. IS, on the other hand, uses Somalia to funnel funds into places as far as Congo Forest and Uganda. These guys really believe a dude in Iraq is the caliph of folks in Puntland.
They’ve always takfired hamas, what we are talking about is other AQ branches and the Taliban
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because they arent isis. they have a stronger element of ikhwanism. its why they dont takfir hamas (but criticized them i think in the 2000s) but isis takfir hamas. isis are the strongest strain of wahhabism we have today so they takfir more liberally and have no issue declaring places outside their control as dar kufr. AS and AQ have ikhwanism which tones down the hardcore wahhabism. for example they dont takfir taliban.
AQ wahhabism is diluted.
ISIS wahhabism is less diluted. but still diluted compared to the old arabian wahhabis.
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tyrannicalmanager
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tyrannicalmanager
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This only applies to groups outside of Somalia. do you think AS would allow groups like Hamas to exist in Somalia?
If this was true AS would've formed a coalition of Islamic groups instead of taken them over or dismantling them.
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example is AQ in syria working with other groups. nusra allied with other rebels in the war. and continued to work with them. nusra worked with ahrar sham, faylaq sham, sometimes they worked with factions from the fsa etc. they worked with the other rebels groups in capturing idlib back in 2015.
AQ dont declare hamas as apostates like ISIS. AQ have a much milder stance on the ikhwan than ISIS who takfir them. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2013/8/3/al-qaeda-chief-accuses-us-of-egypt-plotting
they dont declare any group that isnt under them as apostates. hamas dismantled an armed salafi jihadi group in gaza when they undermined their authority. dismantling and/or swallowing other groups isnt necessarily linked to takfiring them. thats usually political. jolani did the same thing when dismantling and swallowing groups in the idlib area.
tyrannicalmanager
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I was refering to AS only.
What Jolani did was necessary to save the Syrian opposition and the conflict between Hamas and Salafi groups was caused by unfortunate string of events.
What was AS's excuse to fight other groups or refuse ceasefires after the Ethiopian withdraw from Somalia?
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because AQ are more politically savvy than ISIS. compare jolani to baghdadi. he was making deals with fsa factions ahrar jaysh al islam etc. compare isis in somalia to AS who have interwoven themselves with local konfurian qabiils. for example AS worked other factions then later down the line dismantled them. its not that different from jolani in idlib.
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ISIS was willing to work with democratic forces in Syria but unlike Jolani they would crush them once immediate purpose was fulfilled.
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I mean AS did fight against Sufis in central Somalia and destroyed their shrines. i'm not denying similarities between AS and other AQ branches, I think their ideologically more closer to IS than HTS or Taliban.
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takfiring the qadiriyya sufis isnt a strictly wahhabi/salafi/ksa position. yes AS might be more ideologically aligned with IS today. what im saying is if you read some classical wahhabi literature (durar saniyah, tarikh ibn ghannam etc) youll find AS to be significantly diluted and IS to be less diluted than AQ. if we rewind to 2015 they are ilma adeer with jolani and nusra. they also have the same diplomacy with the locals the way nusra did. the main difference is nusra will lack the some of hardcoreness because they live with religious minorities.
AS have probably inherited the "unity" ikhwani position from AQ. its why they support sayid maxamed despite him being ashari (different in aqeedah) and a member of a sufi order. major saudi salafis most likely wouldnt have their same position. go ask sheikh saleh al fawzan about a leader who is ashari and follows a sufi order.
also ISIS had two major ideological strains: Binali strain and hazimi strain. hazimis are the closest to hardcore classical wahhabis. for example they takfir the ottomans and they takfir over secondary aqeedah issues with asharis. they may even takfir you for disagreeing with their takfir. they dont excuse ignorance for major shirk and possibly takfir you for not takfiring an ignorant person who fills into major shirk. some hazimis issued takfir on ISIS
the bincali strain is more liberal and is the position fo their "mufti" turki al-bincali. they dont excuse ignorance for falling into major shirk but they wont takfir you if you refuse to takfir someone who fallls into major shirk out of ignorance. they will say you are mistaken. they also have praised ashari icons like ghazali etc.
yes they changed across time as they got more established. they went to takfiring ottomans.
if AS followed that the binali or hazimi positions might have to takfir atleast 50% of central somalia.
tyrannicalmanager
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I guess you're right AS, in retrospect haven't takfired their political opposition except for the fgs. You also forgot that AS wants portray itself as a Somali national movement, which why they claim Sayid's struggle.
I'm just frustrated that they're the only movement fighting against occupation forces in Somalia.
