Is the Ethiopian military competent enough for an invasion. The Somali military competent enough to handle them.

Somali Saayid

Ninkii dhoof ku yimid beey geeridu dhibeysaa
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Everyone is getting their knickers in a knot over the recent MoU between the SNM “government” based in Hargeisa and Abiy Ahmed. But can the Ethiopian army complete a full takeover of the northern provinces if there is a possible armed conflict between Somalia and Ethiopia?

Many people cite the recent Tigray conflict for the supposed prowess of the Ethiopian army, but let us not forget that there were numerous factors involved then and will definitely not be the same with an invasion of our beautiful homeland by the mountain dwellers west of us.

First of, Abiy Ahmed is banking on the fact that he can steamroll past the federal government in securing his illegal land grab and establishing control, we know see that this won’t happen with the recent condemnation, rumored purchase of arms, request for Turkish and Egyptian naval presence in the disputed area and to ramp Somali naval training aswell as his plea to the youth to defend their country it seems neither side will back down.

Second, during the Tigray war the TPLF were fighting a two front war, although heavily armed there was no way they would win against both Eritrea and Ethiopia, the fact of the matter is we will be facing a limited Ethiopian military in numbers as them moving massive columns of personnel and equipment to the border would presumably lead to a build up of weapons on our side, hopefully in the eyes of Somali nationalists such as myself both, civilian, clan, and government.

The essential question: Is the Ethiopian hardware and personnel capable of taking on Somalia without assistance or are they too weak.

Let’s not forget that Somalia has two forms of armed groups, those that belong to the regional, federal and local police/?paramilitary and the vast expanse of clan and local militias. Then of course you have shabab, while virtually all of the said groups are based in the south and north east as well as SSC. This brings us to our first dilemma, how would all of these fighters and hardware get to the battlefield most likely in Awdal or other parts of SL? Would SL actively put up a fight against us or through another route DDS. For this I ask @SPMLegend and @Thegoodshepherd, another dilemma would be, will regional forces be involved in the capacity local and federal forces would be and would the country unite and put aside internal rivalry’s and other trivialities to work together.

What would be the reality of the conflict and what would be its effects on the civilian population and on our country both in the present and future.
 

Aseer

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Everyone is getting their knickers in a knot over the recent MoU between the SNM “government” based in Hargeisa and Abiy Ahmed. But can the Ethiopian army complete a full takeover of the northern provinces if there is a possible armed conflict between Somalia and Ethiopia?

Many people cite the recent Tigray conflict for the supposed prowess of the Ethiopian army, but let us not forget that there were numerous factors involved then and will definitely not be the same with an invasion of our beautiful homeland by the mountain dwellers west of us.

First of, Abiy Ahmed is banking on the fact that he can steamroll past the federal government in securing his illegal land grab and establishing control, we know see that this won’t happen with the recent condemnation, rumored purchase of arms, request for Turkish and Egyptian naval presence in the disputed area and to ramp Somali naval training aswell as his plea to the youth to defend their country it seems neither side will back down.

Second, during the Tigray war the TPLF were fighting a two front war, although heavily armed there was no way they would win against both Eritrea and Ethiopia, the fact of the matter is we will be facing a limited Ethiopian military in numbers as them moving massive columns of personnel and equipment to the border would presumably lead to a build up of weapons on our side, hopefully in the eyes of Somali nationalists such as myself both, civilian, clan, and government.

The essential question: Is the Ethiopian hardware and personnel capable of taking on Somalia without assistance or are they too weak.

Let’s not forget that Somalia has two forms of armed groups, those that belong to the regional, federal and local police/?paramilitary and the vast expanse of clan and local militias. Then of course you have shabab, while virtually all of the said groups are based in the south and north east as well as SSC. This brings us to our first dilemma, how would all of these fighters and hardware get to the battlefield most likely in Awdal or other parts of SL? Would SL actively put up a fight against us or through another route DDS. For this I ask @SPMLegend and @Thegoodshepherd, another dilemma would be, will regional forces be involved in the capacity local and federal forces would be and would the country unite and put aside internal rivalry’s and other trivialities to work together.

What would be the reality of the conflict and what would be its effects on the civilian population and on our country both in the present and future.
One of the key factors is terrain, I dont know much about the topography of awdal but is it advantageous to the defenders?
 

Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid

King of Prussia
Everyone is getting their knickers in a knot over the recent MoU between the SNM “government” based in Hargeisa and Abiy Ahmed. But can the Ethiopian army complete a full takeover of the northern provinces if there is a possible armed conflict between Somalia and Ethiopia?

Many people cite the recent Tigray conflict for the supposed prowess of the Ethiopian army, but let us not forget that there were numerous factors involved then and will definitely not be the same with an invasion of our beautiful homeland by the mountain dwellers west of us.

First of, Abiy Ahmed is banking on the fact that he can steamroll past the federal government in securing his illegal land grab and establishing control, we know see that this won’t happen with the recent condemnation, rumored purchase of arms, request for Turkish and Egyptian naval presence in the disputed area and to ramp Somali naval training aswell as his plea to the youth to defend their country it seems neither side will back down.

Second, during the Tigray war the TPLF were fighting a two front war, although heavily armed there was no way they would win against both Eritrea and Ethiopia, the fact of the matter is we will be facing a limited Ethiopian military in numbers as them moving massive columns of personnel and equipment to the border would presumably lead to a build up of weapons on our side, hopefully in the eyes of Somali nationalists such as myself both, civilian, clan, and government.

The essential question: Is the Ethiopian hardware and personnel capable of taking on Somalia without assistance or are they too weak.

Let’s not forget that Somalia has two forms of armed groups, those that belong to the regional, federal and local police/?paramilitary and the vast expanse of clan and local militias. Then of course you have shabab, while virtually all of the said groups are based in the south and north east as well as SSC. This brings us to our first dilemma, how would all of these fighters and hardware get to the battlefield most likely in Awdal or other parts of SL? Would SL actively put up a fight against us or through another route DDS. For this I ask @SPMLegend and @Thegoodshepherd, another dilemma would be, will regional forces be involved in the capacity local and federal forces would be and would the country unite and put aside internal rivalry’s and other trivialities to work together.

What would be the reality of the conflict and what would be its effects on the civilian population and on our country both in the present and future.
They don’t need to be competent. The international institute of strategic studies estimates that Ethiopia has anywhere from 460,000-530,000 active duty personnel. Based on the numbers alone, Ethiopia can have its way with Somalia any way it chooses.

The Tigray Defence Forces comprised a force of 250,000, this force consisted of former NCO’s, Officers, Reservists, and Conscripts of the Ethiopian army. They had also been hoarding weapons and heavy armaments prior to the conflicts outbreak. Add on to that the topographical mountainous terrain benefited the TDF defenders. Yet in spite of all that, they still failed.

The Somali peninsula is flat, They would steamroll us.
 
Abiy is a total madman but I highly doubt he will go ahead with an invasion. Sanctions will likely follow and Ethiopia will collapse within weeks if not days. Abiy tried to legitimatise the situation by signing a deal with Bihi hoping the FGS will cave in but HSM’s decision to sign a law rejecting it and rallying the folks to defend their nation has backfired on him hence any attempt to go ahead with the MOU will be seen as an invasion by the IC. Abiy is isolated on the global stage and his plea for debt relief and more loans has been rejected. Ethiopia is a bankrupt powder keg waiting to explode.
 
They don’t need to be competent. The international institute of strategic studies estimates that Ethiopia has anywhere from 460,000-530,000 active duty personnel. Based on the numbers alone, Ethiopia can have its way with Somalia any way it chooses.

The Tigray Defence Forces comprised a force of 250,000, this force consisted of former NCO’s, Officers, Reservists, and Conscripts of the Ethiopian army. They had also been hoarding weapons and heavy armaments prior to the conflicts outbreak. Add on to that the topographical mountainous terrain benefited the TDF defenders. Yet in spite of all that, they still failed.

The Somali peninsula is flat, They would steamroll us.
He can’t even steamroll OLA and Fano lol. If you couple that with sanctions which I have no doubt will follow it will be over for Ethiopia.
 

Aseer

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They don’t need to be competent. The international institute of strategic studies estimates that Ethiopia has anywhere from 460,000-530,000 active duty personnel. Based on the numbers alone, Ethiopia can have its way with Somalia any way it chooses.

The Tigray Defence Forces comprised a force of 250,000, this force consisted of former NCO’s, Officers, Reservists, and Conscripts of the Ethiopian army. They had also been hoarding weapons and heavy armaments prior to the conflicts outbreak. Add on to that the topographical mountainous terrain benefited the TDF defenders. Yet in spite of all that, they still failed.

The Somali peninsula is flat, They would steamroll us.
Isnt that part a harsh desert though? and flat terrain especially desert terrain is also good for guerilla warfare many notable examples are the talibans against the US troops in flat desert areas or even more famously omar al mukhtar against the italians and the arab rebels against the ottomans in the arabian deserts. All the people of awdal need is some good strategists and weaponry and funding and they can give those ethiopians hell and trust me they are way more incompotent look how they are struggling with rebel parties and during the time when the galbeed rebels were making the ethiopians shit themselves.
 

Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid

King of Prussia
Isnt that part a harsh desert though? and flat terrain especially desert terrain is also good for guerilla warfare many notable examples are the talibans against the US troops in flat desert areas or even more famously omar al mukhtar against the italians and the arab rebels against the ottomans in the arabian deserts. All the people of awdal need is some good strategists and weaponry and funding and they can give those ethiopians hell and trust me they are way more incompotent look how they are struggling with rebel parties and during the time when the galbeed rebels were making the ethiopians shit themselves.
Semi arid desert terrains use to be good for insurgencies, prior to the advent of drones that is. Now an occupying force can nip the bud of an insurgency in a blink of an eye. Also contrary to popular belief, Afghanistan is extremely mountainous, one of the reasons why American occupation was so difficult was because of the mountains.
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Semi arid desert terrains use to be good for insurgencies, prior to the advent of drones that is. Now an occupying force can nip the bud of an insurgency in a blink of an eye. Also contrary to popular belief, Afghanistan is extremely mountainous, one of the reasons why American occupation was so difficult was because of the mountains.
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How about iraq? and the arab revolt? and wasnt there a way invented to avoid drones? I think it was invented by some rebel group in the sahel region
 

Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid

King of Prussia
How about iraq? and the arab revolt? and wasnt there a way invented to avoid drones? I think it was invented by some rebel group in the sahel region
Iraq serves as a clear example of drone effectiveness; ISIS was eradicated through drone operations. Presently, the only paramilitary forces in Iraq are the Popular Mobilization Forces and the Kurds. The Kurds are situated in the mountains, extracting oil, having been former US allies, this spared them from being bombed into oblivion. On the other hand, the PMF, Iranian proxies, answer solely to the IRGC and the “Iraqi prime minister”. Due to the desire to avoid a confrontation with Iran, the US allows the PMF to operate without interference. As long as US interest’s are not harmed.
 

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Iraq serves as a clear example of drone effectiveness; ISIS was eradicated through drone operations. Presently, the only paramilitary forces in Iraq are the Popular Mobilization Forces and the Kurds. The Kurds are situated in the mountains, extracting oil, having been former US allies, this spared them from being bombed into oblivion. On the other hand, the PMF, Iranian proxies, answer solely to the IRGC and the “Iraqi prime minister”. Due to the desire to avoid a confrontation with Iran, the US allows the PMF to operate without interference. As long as US interest’s are not harmed.
Alright then yusuf you keep bringing us problems give us a solution what would be the best way to go about holding off the ethiopians.
 

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Abiy is a total madman but I highly doubt he will go ahead with an invasion. Sanctions will likely follow and Ethiopia will collapse within weeks if not days. Abiy tried to legitimatise the situation by signing a deal with Bihi hoping the FGS will cave in but HSM’s decision to sign a law rejecting it and rallying the folks to defend their nation has backfired on him hence any attempt to go ahead with the MOU will be seen as an invasion by the IC. Abiy is isolated on the global stage and his plea for debt relief and more loans has been rejected. Ethiopia is a bankrupt powder keg waiting to explode.


Ethiopia destroying itself , love to see it
 

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