Is Modern Judaism a form of White Supremacy?

[Daisybilaawe]

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Would you say that a Fully Extracted Potential of Somaliweyn is more lucrative and powerful?

Somaliweyn's Coastline is the Largest in its Region and Further Beyond by a Landslide and even more of a Bonus that we sit exactly right next to the Indian Ocean and Red Sea. Somaliweyn has more Naval Dominance Potential Pound for Pound than even the United States in my opinion.

A Deeply Homogenous Nation that I've discussed in previous comment on this thread when talking about the similarities on Jews and Somalis.

Natural Resources are Tremendous but even they are Secondary to the Other Remarkable things a Fulfilled Potential Somaliweyn has.

Imagine Somaliweyn with all of its Potential Fulfilled? You'd be looking at a Navy that has a Complete Monopoly over the Southern Red Sea and Bab el Mandeb and definitely has the ingredients to have a Complete Uncontested Naval Monopoly on the Indian Ocean which all of the Middle East/West Asia, Iran, Europe, Africa, North America and practically the whole world relies on, which is a Trump Card more Powerful than anything U.S.A has.

I know I went a bit off topic but I think Somaliweyn has more potential than all of the Middle East in terms of its Potential being Fulfilled and what the End Product looks like and No I am not being bias because I am Somali but the Ingredients of Somaliweyn and Somalis themselves look like.

 

[peterpeter]

Would you say that a Fully Extracted Potential of Somaliweyn is more lucrative and powerful?

Somaliweyn's Coastline is the Largest in its Region and Further Beyond by a Landslide and even more of a Bonus that we sit exactly right next to the Indian Ocean and Red Sea. Somaliweyn has more Naval Dominance Potential Pound for Pound than even the United States in my opinion.

A Deeply Homogenous Nation that I've discussed in previous comment on this thread when talking about the similarities on Jews and Somalis.

Natural Resources are Tremendous but even they are Secondary to the Other Remarkable things a Fulfilled Potential Somaliweyn has.

Imagine Somaliweyn with all of its Potential Fulfilled? You'd be looking at a Navy that has a Complete Monopoly over the Southern Red Sea and Bab el Mandeb and definitely has the ingredients to have a Complete Uncontested Naval Monopoly on the Indian Ocean which all of the Middle East/West Asia, Iran, Europe, Africa, North America and practically the whole world relies on, which is a Trump Card more Powerful than anything U.S.A has.

I know I went a bit off topic but I think Somaliweyn has more potential than all of the Middle East in terms of its Potential being Fulfilled and what the End Product looks like and No I am not being bias because I am Somali but the Ingredients of Somaliweyn and Somalis themselves look like.

i mean of course by defintion it should since it means more land a larger population, wider area of strategic control however the issue is Somalia is completley ungovernable and uncentralised and you have kebab running rampant none of these things actually mean anything or exist in any tangible way until these issues are fixed, but say if it did become centralsied as in the fgs controlled the entirety of the country and can excersise control get rid of kebab and did something about corruption(EMPHASIS ON THE CORRUPTION) then absolutley yes Botswana did so much with a lot less, simply good governance but every year that goes by makes it harder. BUT YES A FULLY REALISED SOMALIA COULD BE SOMETHING AMAZING. It would eclipse every nation in east africa barring Ethiopia (only due to them being larger higher pop etc) and would fare better than the vast majority of the continent.

 

[Daisybilaawe]

i mean of course by defintion it should since it means more land a larger population, wider area of strategic control however the issue is Somalia is completley ungovernable and uncentralised and you have kebab running rampant none of these things actually mean anything or exist in any tangible way until these issues are fixed, but say if it did become centralsied as in the fgs controlled the entirety of the country and can excersise control get rid of kebab and did something about corruption(EMPHASIS ON THE CORRUPTION) then absolutley yes Botswana did so much with a lot less, simply good governance but every year that goes by makes it harder. BUT YES A FULLY REALISED SOMALIA COULD BE SOMETHING AMAZING. It would eclipse every nation in east africa barring Ethiopia (only due to them being larger higher pop etc) and would fare better than the vast majority of the continent.

Yh that's why I said Somaliweyn with its potential fulfilled.

Somaliweyn with its Potential Fulfilled genuinely becomes the Most Powerful Nation on Earth and no this isn't a Product of some Obscure Nationalism.

Ethiopia is a shithole on every conceivable metric and wouldn't be hard to surpass them.

Somaliweyn with a Naval Monopoly on the Red Sea, Bab el Mandeb and most Importantly the Indian Ocean would mean Ethiopia would supply a lifetime of oral on their knees to us given superpowers like USA would rely on us and Ethiopia, Kenya and all our enemies would legit be in a competition of who can glaze Samaale the most since they'd practically depend on us, and would never dare to get into any friction.

Outside the Capital they're a mess, have Genocides every other month like a Traditional Annual Event, Far too many Competing Ethnic Groups and not to mention they rely completely on the West and without them.

What is a big population without the resources and development that matches that population to be effective?

 

[peterpeter]

Yh that's why I said Somaliweyn with its potential fulfilled.

Somaliweyn with its Potential Fulfilled genuinely becomes the Most Powerful Nation on Earth and no this isn't a Product of some Obscure Nationalism.

Btw this seems strong but its not directed towards you on a personal level, but to be incredibly blunt it just wouldnt its madness to think this and this pride will never work in your favour. To say the most powerful nation on earth would suggest it would rival the US and other world powers, it just wouldnt happen. The world will not allow a muslim state to become anything more than a wealthy vassal state. The most powerful Muslim states are Turkey followed by Saudi Arabia and maybe Indonesia in the future, two of those states are western puppets and Indonesia will become a Chinese puppet or at best a secular non aligned state. Please understand walaalo im not insulting you theres nothnig wrong with wanting this but if Somalia becomes a big player in Africa like Nigeria or Egypt but improves the standard of living for the people that would be amazing and hopefully our rep and soft power improves as a result also focus on partnerships with other larger nations.

 

[Shimbiris]

I disagree, man. I have modelled those guys before, and they barely cut the 50% at highest and usually were in the 45% range, where some 10% of that is non-Jewish. When you remove the Greek influence, the fit is increased heavily. You have to remember the MENA in Greek which is Anatolian (not only the Levant: edit for clarification). Ashkenazi, like the other Jews, have considerable Anatolian Neolithic affinity. These guys turned out to be higher Greek and lower European proper. In the past, these people tried to hyper-concentrate things into Central European genetics to section off European ancestry, and this enriched the Levant factor, but it is a false modelling. Remember, these guys lived many centuries among these Greco-Romans and somehow, across that Sephardi and Ashkenazi line, got the same Minoan levels, and these are supposedly from the same pool; it checks out.

So your general thesis is basically that they are the Greco-Roman diaspora the same way the Mizrahim are the diaspora that shacked up in parts like Mesopotamia, Iran and Arabia? Basically assimilated genetically into the Greco-Roman peoples and became near genetically identical to them? Albeit with an arguable 20-40% shift toward their original Jewish roots? Plus a little bit of North-Euro admixture at times?

I can click with that, ngl. They're basically a more extreme version of what happened with Cypriots. Also, despite how much he tries to argue for more overall Jewish ancestry, even Agamemnon, I've noticed, more or less characterizes Western Jewry as the "Aegean diaspora".

 

[Daisybilaawe]

Btw this seems strong but its not directed towards you im saying this generally but it wouldnt walaalo this is madness and this pride will never work in your favour, to say earth would suggest it would rival the US and other world powers, it just wouldnt happen. The world will not allows a muslim state to become anything more than a wealthy vassal state. The most powerful muslim state is Turkey followed by Saudi Arabia and maybe Indonesia in the future, two of those states are western puppets and Indonesia will become a Chinese puppet or at most a secular non aligned state. Please understand walaalo im not insulting you theres nothnig wrong with wanting this but if Somalia becomes a big player in Africa like Nigeria or Egypt but improves the standard of living that would be amazing and hopefully our rep and soft power becomes better also focus on partnerships

Yh I understand what you mean.

With the current Global World Order it seems like they'll never allow it to happen as that would topple everything that Western Imperialism has been spreading to the rest of the world for the past 600 years.

I was talking more so about Somaliweyn with its potential fulfilled that would rival them but yh the World Order as it is now won't ever allow it and we know.

 

[Shimbiris]

Ayo, was this guy Yahuud LMAO

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Thought he was a Western Arab hire in The Mummy. One of those Western Arabs who speak funky accents and somehow pray wrong in scenes but look the part and give the exotic Orientalist vibe.

Did you know that he played a Mejday? View attachment 365570

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[The alchemist]

So your general thesis is basically that they are the Greco-Roman diaspora the same way the Mizrahim are the diaspora that shacked up in parts like Mesopotamia, Iran and Arabia? Basically assimilated genetically into the Greco-Roman peoples and became near genetically identical to them? Albeit with an arguable 20-40% shift toward their original Jewish roots? Plus a little bit of North-Euro admixture at times?

I can click with that, ngl. They're basically a more extreme version of what happened with Cypriots. Also, despite how much he tries to argue for more overall Jewish ancestry, even Agamemnon, I've noticed, more or less characterizes Western Jewry as the "Aegean diaspora".

I would not say they dissolved completely. Similar to how Iraqi Jews got elevated Mesopotamian ancestry, the European Jews received Greco-Roman gene flow through a different inter-community relational practice. They would be an Eastern Mediterranean sub-population of the European branch. In those days, you would find Greco-Romans who even resembled Jews in their MENA genetics. Jews of that time would never stick out except in cultural expression. That Mediterranean Jewish genetic base is the pool these Ashkenazi and Sephardic people offshooted from.

Dude, these were the genetics of the guys from Pompeii including one from southern Italy:

The most common genetic profile was Eastern Mediterrenean which was in fact more MENA than those Turkish Jews but generally in similar wavelenght with minorities being more or less.

My attempt here is simply appealing to sensibility and objectivity with the constraints, not attempting to water down genetics. As you see, I outlined how some Jews got considerable Iron Age Levantine (it is hard to say what is continuity, and what is influence from the post-Roman period). After the Roman era and the divergence between Sephardic and Ashkenazi, I both sections retained 80% of shared ancestry with the original western Erfurt Ashkenazis, resembling Sephardic Jews at ~96%.

This means Sephardic Jews reflect the pre-divergence pool more, and that both populations maintained ancestry structure to a very high degree. But it is the Roman and antiquity period that had the most shift. Anything after the Mediterranean period reflects this narrative that Jews were different from Germanics and Slavics and maintained their ancestry to an extreme level, not before. We also have to recognize the nuance that a whole Erfurt demographic on the eastern side was much more European and that modern Ashkenazis are the average of them and the Sephardic type Ashkenazis. So although we can talk about retention, there are significant context-specific nuances.

Something happened before the Sephardic and Ashkenazi split between the Roman and early medieval where they reduced their Jewish ancestry by 50%. So Ashkenazis did not lose a lot of Levantine from when their ancestors migrated out, as mentioned. Relatively, they lost 30% over 1000 years. And this is attested by the Erfurt samples showing how modern Ashkenazis are the median between the Western Sephardic-looking ones and Eastern ones with considerable European admixture. So the early Jews definitely had an early episode where they mixed and converted, similar to the Roman Era (remember, the Jewish tradition changed over time).

PCA illustrates these dimensions:

It is insane how I modelled these and found this out, to later check the paper and find relative concurrence. I said the Western Erfurt was 96% Sephardic Turkish, while that study claims that they were 96% like Turkish Jews. I knew about the intermediate aspect from the study prior, but it actually roughly checks out using G25. Modern Ashkenazis were said to be 87% similar to the Turkish Jews. My results presented 83%. They use Turkish, so did I (I found them to retain higher genetic composition through my own investigation, not replication). The Ashkenazi general coordinate is representative as it comes since it uses over 1200 samples.

Anyone competently engaged in the anthro-genetics sphere who claims these guys retained 50% continual Jewish ancestry is capping. Something in the first 500 years of living in the eastern European Mediterranean reduced their Jewish genetics by half.

There are a few weaknesses to this through methodology. Firstly, using Turkish Jews as a proxy for what looks to be the early European Jews. Assessing things like regional placement, the genetics showing high Iron Age Levantine (~50%), yet maintains the same Greek number ~28%, having marginal regional admixture makes the samples to be a proxy ideal for the terminal (not early or middle, obviously) Jewish demographic prior to the Sephardic and Askhenazi. However, those Turkish Jews are Sephardic, so a person who ignores the rational provincial reasoning could say it is circular. But using reason by also confirming that the early western Ashkenazis of Erfurt resemble those almost completely, and also those Turkish Jews are similar to other regional Eastern European Mediterranean groups, one can say that heuristically it is difficult to deny the obvious. Italian Jews are similar, and so are the Greek ones.

To top it all off, we have samples of Romaniote Jews. These are Greek and Anatolian Jews who are not Sephardic. What these guys show is elevated Levantine (57%), but the Greek is reduced. If you level the Greek to the numbers of the rest by removing the extra Levantine, you have proportions that do resemble the Turkish Jews, again. So although one can make the argument that this is a scientific compromise, due to all the consideration and systematic review of composition that consistently checks out, the Turkish Sephardic Jews are definitely representative of a terminal Eastern Mediterranean Jewish population. The similarities across the board are not only consistent but also stable, to safely arrive at this conclusion.

I believe it would be next to impossible to analyse the convolusive nature of gene flow and population strategy of Jews in Antiquity in the eastern Mediterranean without considerable ancient DNA. But one thing I say, they mixed more during that time alone than the time after, except for the eastern Erfurt, who were substantially central European. I think this has to do with how Jews in earlier times had different perspectives on intermarriage. They probably acted like a normal ethnic group without the maternal lineage identity passage.

I believe that the maternalizing the tribal legacy became a strategy to reduce intermarriage. How? Because men married out more than women in pre-modern times, these Jews would have been autosomally mixed out if male lineage was the defining identity passer. A woman would not marry outside her ethnic group because it usually entailed that she would be left alone to the ways and culture of her husband, so think these European Jews used this as a filter to reduce outmarriage. As Jews stopped being a patrilineal people and replaced it with urban culture these guys selected a mating tradition custom for cultural purposes to preserve genes for instrumenalsit reasons, not primordial patriarchical practice that was really the true custom. I mean, Ibrahim (AS) genetics would be Mesopoatamian while his sons would be half Mesopotamian and half Egyptian on the Ismail side and the Ishaq, fully Mesoptamian since Sara was from that region as well. They were not Jews but Ishaq (AS) would have offspring who is seen as the father of the Jews, Yaqub (AS). So really Mesopotamians that likely recieved Egyptian mixture who intermixed with Cananites when they moved to the Canaan. Later the Jews became genetically indistinguishable from Canaanites.

 

[MVPSOM]

Jews were 12 tribes and they were kicked out of Palestine so they migrated to different countries and then mixed with the populations, that's why isreal loves the Ethiopians cause they believe a lost isreali tribe is from there and I'm not sure with Palestinians having Jewish dna

Do you know what Israel does to Ethiopian Jews????
They sterilize them. Yep I'm sure they love them.

 

[Guure⁸]

Do you know what Israel does to Ethiopian Jews????
They sterilize them. Yep I'm sure they love them.

Well that's bc they are racist but overall isreal was always the biggest supporter of Ethiopia

 

[sh-89]

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Just go look at the region they are from in Europe. If they weren't in Israel they literally would be in Russia, Ukraine, Poland etc (a lot still are there like Zelenskky) caught up in that war. Now they are caught up in the wars in Mena.

Yes, if it wasn't for what was happening I'd honestly feel a certain warmth toward them as a culturally very similar to us and Afro-Asiatic people.

But your overall thesis is not entirely off, walaal, in that even though they aren't "white" (European) in the truest sense, they are basically leveraging Anglosphere "whiteness" (a more broad and vague term that can even include MENAs in these countries) and "western civ" narratives to their advantage in Israel. Painting the Arabs as brown, undemocratic, rabid savages and themselves as a sort of exclave of "western democracy" and culture.

So they are sort of a weird extension of "white supremacy" even though they were, ironically, among its earliest ever victims on European soil.

From what I see Jews like Arabs more than white people especially Europeans. But the whole Arabs are savage image is supported by all the neighboring nations being caught in savage wars. Arabs don't make it easy for themselves.

And someone can look at Arabs and think savage while others can see bravery. As Islam embraces death. The problem is they have a lot of people to be brave in that way.

Secretly British and other European Elites are egging on this conflict because they do not like both groups. So they cheer on Arabs and Palestinians and put money into these two groups they do not like to kill eachother. Most people dont even realize this. Like why not cheer two groups you don't like to kill eachother. And hateful Europeans like this want to see Israel fail.

There are different Jews in Israel but the ones that were given the land were the Ashkenazis who suffered the most from WW2. All the people who focus on them and hate them, don't realize that they are the ones who suffered the most persecution. The other groups fared better although still oppressed in Mena but not killed at the rate of the holocaust. Thats the sad part Muslims were more kinder to Jews than Europeans and they know it.

But the savage image sorry is based on facts most of the M.E is full of wars day in and day out. Its insanity. Imo Jewish women are the ones more legit scared they are taken over and their men not being able to stop it. They are scared they will end up like the Yazides, Druze, Kurds etc. Go see how those people are treated. Hell any minority are killed off. Black Americans who hate Jews don't get this. The M.E and Europe are not like America. They will genocide the minorities to the point where nothing is left.

And yes I worry Somalis especially in Europe might end up killed at a high rate if we are caught up in a Euro war which is coming to Western Europe. And similar to Jews I think Somalis who live in America, Canada etc will fare better. If WW3 happens it we will be killed at high rates and your location will determine how you fare. Imo Mena used to be less savage but now its bad like WW1/WW2 was in Europe. But many predict a war is coming to the UK. Imo UK is not good for Somalis. America is way better.

 

[sh-89]

I agree with what you've said, although their true ancestry derived from their Jewish genetics is more like 30-35% with the rest being Levantine ancestry absorbed through other Eastern Mediterranean on the Greco-Roman side, post-migration.

I would say Ashkenazi Jews are similar to how Italians are white, and I would say Ashkenazi Jews are not white like how Sicilians are not white to me. In this case, Ashkenazi Jews, regardless of sticking out in some places, were also accepted by Apartheid South Africa as belonging to the white class. In America, the Jews historically enjoyed being white, and they do to this day since most of them look no darker than Italian Americans.

Although these racial classifications are different, Jews are definitely a Western people. Hands down, I would think it would be crazy to argue otherwise. The Jews are a sub-class of Western peoples. It was not always like this historically, because when they were under the Muslims, they were very MENA. And let's be real, there is a class thing. The reason why many consider Ashkenazis to be white is because of their socio-economic alignments. They're practically elites who have more in common with white elites than colored people. They assimilate easily.

In that sense, are Jews white by genetics? No. They're sort of a MENA shifting intermediate Mediterranean group. Like Cypriots. I would not consider Cypriots white, but best believe a Cypriot (Greek, not Turkish) who moves to America would mirror the rest of the clearly white people and fit in. And the interesting thing is, Turkish Cypriots who are genetically similar to the Greek Cypriots would not be white and more identify with the brown peoples. Jews are basically Greek Cypriots. I think this is the perfect analogy. Because I think Cypriots have the same type of basal MENA as Western Jews.

There are also the elements of Ashkenazi Jews living in Slavic and Germanic lands so much absorbing some genetics and many lifeways, where their last names became similar to those people ending in "-berg" or "-ski" - their European existence is still relevant despite sticking out. An African American was literally a slave for centuries in America, but those guys are a Western population, not African.

Let's take Theodore Herzl, he was a Europeanist elitist type. He saw himself as the Germans and the French, not like the Palestinians. Whenever he spoke about MENA groups, it was like a white man speaking of them at that time. They were foreign to him, and that is how Ashkenazi Jews were: Europeans. That is the reason those colonialist Zionist Brits considered Jews to be a mediating projection of their imperialism, a buffer and representation of them in the "Orient." They were like "We cannot talk to these Arabs, but the Jews can, and Jews are like us." In that dichotomy, Jews lean in with the whites and away from the Arabs.

Now you might say, but what about the Sephardic, Mizrahi, etc. Well, they're Ashkenazified. When those people came to Israel, they were dominated by the ruling elites who were European Jews, and they had to homogenize themselves to that. That is why you see Jews who are Arab (let's be frank) now suddenly act like the ones who came from Poland. There was an assimilation process where the brown Jews had to Westernize, become less Arab, and literally just divorce themselves from their own cultures for a Western European group who is indistinguishable from "modernist" white, like Ashkenazi.

I'm not going to include how awkwardly MENA and Jews too classified as "white" in America (that would never happen here in Europe) because I understand that people fighting to be "white" category kind of would have given you higher access and success chances. Like how Isaaq wanted to be classified similar to the Indians in early colonial Kenya. This would have given them privileges in a hierarchical society. And this was later used against Somalis who were actually native to the land, where the Kenyans did not give them legal status, as the Isaaqs were classified as "other." That is just an example of how Somalis, such as the clan I belong to, took advantage of a colonial system to increase their prospects. These Isaaqs were technically elites financially, so it paid off. We were new to that region, unlike the Somalis of the NFD, and the anti-Somali sentiment among other groups who wanted to suppress the Somali growth and significance and self-determination, tried to spin the false notion that Somalis there were like the Isaaq newcomers, not native like the Indians. That is just an example.

To go back, a brown Jew then is a Westerner, he is homogenized like the Ashkenazi and would enjoy white privileges as an honorary individual in white majority countries, and would not be treated like an Arab.

Historically, this was not the case. Zionism homogenized Jews. Jews were very heterogeneous. Like a Jew from Iraq had more in common and would view a Jew from Lithuania in the 1800s to be very distinct from them. One is white, the other is Arab. Two culturally distinct peoples.

We have an example of how this shift happened. In Egypt, the Jews there were practically doing well (these people were integrated with the elite class), but during the WW2 era, Zionists from Israel influenced some people there, so some Egyptian Jews became Zionists while others were anti-Zionist and sided with Palestinians, and they were very pan-Arab. Since Jews were the elites there, many of them had cosmopolitan connections with Europe. So these guys were not localized. This led to people quickly learning about trends and siding quickly. Jews in Egypt were connected to Jews from other places, like Sham. For example, in the 10th century, there was a religious institution called the Palestinian Ganonate where Jews sort of centralized a commonality through religious mediation in a sub-regional way. So I would imagine a Syrian Jew and an Egyptian Jew would be similar in their ways.

So these Jews were often elites, educated, cosmpolitan, generally more aware and engaged with European matters and at some point they saw the West growing stronger, Israel popping up with the Zionist propaganda of holyland, then some friction with the Arab locals feeling rightfully some type of way of some of the demographic who were outwardly Zionist, being favored by colonialists and also expressing Western leaning lifeways and questioning their loyalty as they clearly were very elite, Western and often were growingly Western interacting with the Ashkenazis.

The Israeli European Jews who, in clandestine ways, had come to Egypt to speak of the Zionist ideology (this is true), with that sentiment growing, added that many Jews in Egypt were somewhat integrated with Europe, stoking a growing problem. A section of them were early Egyptian nationalists who were not Zionist, but they too had interests that aligned with the other side in terms of interests and ethnic entanglement, so over time, you had a sort of quiet betrayal of Jews over Arabs, going to Israel and/or to Western nations like America. These Jews became completely Western and removed their Egyptian affinity that had conditioned them for many centuries. So a random Egyptian coming across a guy of an Egyptian Jewish background from his grandparents would not relate on that end. His parents probably would not.

That is a short and patchy example of a complex situation that shows how brown Jews became Western and now would identify with a random white man rather than an Arab, despite having grandparents who lived in a Karaite or other neighboring quarter in Cairo.

As such, these brown people became Western and in Israel, not only Western but Ashkenazi Jewish expressing. You have a handful of Karaites in Israel. Those guys pray prostrating like Muslims, but they are considered like Amish, and their youth are joining the general Ashkenazi type of Jewry, which is the dominant.

But many groups enjoy being white in America not just Jews. Many groups including Eastern European Slavs who would not be seen as white in Europe. Go look at what Putin looks like. He looks slightly Euroasian. Hitler would not consider them Aryan/Germanic. Trump is Germanic and but his 2 wives were Slavic excluding his middle wife who was American.

Italians, Slavs, Jews etc all were never seen as WASPS in America but compared to Europe, yes America is why more accepting. This is due to the invention of the term White and the presence of Black people. This is why I predict if Israel becomes a one state solution, Palestinians will be elevated higher than Ethiopians. And it will get rid of the current problem with them feeling at the bottom of the hierarchy. Black people are the best thing to happen to non-wasps white people. It helps them a lot.

 

[sh-89]

Do you know what Israel does to Ethiopian Jews????
They sterilize them. Yep I'm sure they love them.

They sterilized them because sadly Ethiopians (especially the Jewish ones) had high Aids rate and many Jewish Ethiopian women sadly being raped in Ethiopia. Jews are xenophobic in the same way Ethiopians, Somalis are. My family would not want us to marry non-Somalis either. Measuring racism based of dating is idiotic because most people marry and prefer their own people. People used to measure racism based on opportunities now it is if they don't marry other races they are racist. Thats idiotic. Jews didn’t marry other races in droves thats why they are still around. So they do this to white people too.

Ethiopians are just as xenophobic in marriages hence why people call E.A racist etc. It comes down to measuring racism based on marriages and not opportunities. This is a Black American mindset not other groups even Indian etc. It is very annoying.

 

[The alchemist]

But many groups enjoy being white in America not just Jews. Many groups including Eastern European Slavs who would not be seen as white in Europe. Go look at what Putin looks like. He looks slightly Euroasian. Hitler would not consider them Aryan/Germanic. Trump is Germanic and but his 2 wives were Slavic excluding his middle wife who was American.

Italians, Slavs, Jews etc all were never seen as WASPS in America but compared to Europe, yes America is why more accepting. This is due to the invention of the term White and the presence of Black people. This is why I predict if Israel becomes a one state solution, Palestinians will be elevated higher than Ethiopians. And it will get rid of the current problem with them feeling at the bottom of the hierarchy. Black people are the best thing to happen to non-wasps white people. It helps them a lot.

In Europe, Slavs are seen as white but a different kind of whites and there is nuance. A Norwegian see a Ukrainian as provincial white but not the same kinds of people as them. The concept of whiteness is different in Europe. Whiteness here is not a vague large umbrella under which people sing Kumbaya and neither is it even often talked about openly. That is an American thing. If an Albanian comes to Norway, they would be treated like a Turk, lol, and they are not seen as white compared to as in America. The only reason why a Danish would call an Italian white is because their attempt to push Europeaness further south as they claim this western civilization is of Roman and Greek origin. Do you understand? It's a problem for them to say those groups are different from us and then say but they gave us this that and the third, because it would re-shift concepts of what Europe is, an engineered legacy drawn from the ancient civilization of brown Mediterranean peoples. So they expanded whiteness despite those ancient Greeks and Romans would resemble a Syrian, the people east and south of them than any Germanic group. There definitely is a Western European thing today and it is built from historically recent sub-regionality and things like the EU, globalization, and, of course, educational indoctrination.

A one-state solution will never happen. The Jews there are obsessed with being the majority and having control. If they absorbed the Palestinians, they would be voted out of power. When Palestinians in Israel voted a few years ago, Netanyahu went to live television to tell Jews to counter the Arab vote, otherwise they would take over. That is the "only democracy in the Middle East" for you.

“The right-wing government is in danger. Arab voters are heading to the polling stations in droves,” he wrote. “Left-wing NGOs are bringing them in buses.”

There are plenty of Palestinians in Israel today, and they live in similar conditions to the Ethiopian Jews in terms of economic status. The latter are accepted by this Jewish umbrella on a social level, despite facing some racism, while the Jews there hate the Arabs. Basically, the Ethiopian Jews are like African Americans in USA, so they are very much part of that society and accepted yet marginalized due to their distinct looks.

The Arab is seen as an enemy, straight up. They don't even interact with each other, normally. These are actually second-class citizens. They have to turn into Zionist turncoats and turn against their own people to be accepted but that only makes them the token traitor; the Israelis still don't want more Palestinians.

Historically, the Jews were obsessed with demographic control and majority settlement since it is an imperative to a Jewish ethno-state that fronts as a democracy (a joke). As such, they would need to be the far majority to control the scene, moreover, maintain the nonsensical narrative. If suddenly the Palestinians were absorbed, the Jewish supremacy in that country is based on, would vanish. A two-state solution would never happen, too. They don't want Palestinians to get a state that can defend itself, and the objective was always to control the entire region under strict Jewish supremacy. That is why they have made the West Bank (a so-called Palestinian territory) of illegal expansions of settlers who are protected by the IDF (also armed themselves), making the settlements of Palestinians into an impossible patchwork without coherence (you can't create a country out of this):

That is why a genocide has been the policy since the get-go.

 

[sh-89]

In Europe, Slavs are seen as white but a different kind of whites and there is nuance. A Norwegian see a Ukrainian as provincial white but not the same kinds of people as them. The concept of whiteness is different in Europe. Whiteness here is not a vague large umbrella under which people sing Kumbaya and neither is it even often talked about openly. That is an American thing. If an Albanian comes to Norway, they would be treated like a Turk, lol, and they are not seen as white compared to as in America. The only reason why a Danish would call an Italian white is because their attempt to push Europeaness further south as they claim this western civilization is of Roman and Greek origin. Do you understand? It's a problem for them to say those groups are different from us and then say but they gave us this that and the third, because it would re-shift concepts of what Europe is, an engineered legacy drawn from the ancient civilization of brown Mediterranean peoples. So they expanded whiteness despite those ancient Greeks and Romans would resemble a Syrian, the people east and south of them than any Germanic group. There definitely is a Western European thing today and it is built from historically recent sub-regionality and things like the EU, globalization, and, of course, educational indoctrination.

A one-state solution will never happen. The Jews there are obsessed with being the majority and having control. If they absorbed the Palestinians, they would be voted out of power. When Palestinians in Israel voted a few years ago, Netanyahu went to live television to tell Jews to counter the Arab vote, otherwise they would take over. That is the "only democracy in the Middle East" for you.

“The right-wing government is in danger. Arab voters are heading to the polling stations in droves,” he wrote. “Left-wing NGOs are bringing them in buses.”

There are plenty of Palestinians in Israel today, and they live in similar conditions to the Ethiopian Jews in terms of economic status. The latter are accepted by this Jewish umbrella on a social level, despite facing some racism, while the Jews there hate the Arabs. Basically, the Ethiopian Jews are like African Americans in USA, so they are very much part of that society and accepted yet marginalized due to their distinct looks.

The Arab is seen as an enemy, straight up. They don't even interact with each other, normally. These are actually second-class citizens. They have to turn into Zionist turncoats and turn against their own people to be accepted but that only makes them the token traitor; the Israelis still don't want more Palestinians.

Historically, the Jews were obsessed with demographic control and majority settlement since it is an imperative to a Jewish ethno-state that fronts as a democracy (a joke). As such, they would need to be the far majority to control the scene, moreover, maintain the nonsensical narrative. If suddenly the Palestinians were absorbed, the Jewish supremacy in that country is based on, would vanish. A two-state solution would never happen, too. They don't want Palestinians to get a state that can defend itself, and the objective was always to control the entire region under strict Jewish supremacy. That is why they have made the West Bank (a so-called Palestinian territory) of illegal expansions of settlers who are protected by the IDF (also armed themselves), making the settlements of Palestinians into an impossible patchwork without coherence (you can't create a country out of this):

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That is why a genocide has been the policy since the get-go.

Some of what you said I agree with. To your point about white, I agree with you. Thats what I was saying that these groups are different in Europe but not in America. Fully agree and that was my point. White civilization used to include Arabs in fact Hitler respected Arabs more than Jews for having power, colonization etc (moreso the Ottomans etc). WW1 and WW2 really killed off many old world civilizations like the British who never recovered, Ottoman empire etc. Also these groups have different languages where in America everyone speaks English. There are major differences in language which is a big barrier too. Similar to Somalis differing from Ethiopians language wise. People underestimate language.

Yes I was invited to go to Israel for my work and I knew I would be safer since Somalis look Ethiopian but its still a warzone so I passed. They hate Arabs for sure. Palestinians do have a state and I am not saying this as discrimination or hate towards Arabs at all, but they have Jordan and the Gulf nations. So thats not true Palestinians cant defend themselves. They are just isolated from the rest of the M.E who dont want these problems like Jordan. Kurds are hated too in many of these countries.

Iranians also have the same issue that Israelis do, they dont want the Arabs to outnumber the Persians who make up 60% right now. Khameni is trying to deport many Afghanis since there are 4.5 million of them.

To your point about then claiming Italy/Rome . They whitened Issa (Jesus als) who we all know was not Germanic looking. They did for their own supremacy. Romans used to think Germanic people's were barbaric but that was because Romans were imperialistic and Germanic people were like Nomads back then aka savages. But the adoption of Issa (Jesus als) and the collapse of the Romans changed that. Honestly the Roman culture was sick and practiced sick things like boy sex slaves etc. Good for deen to come. Disgusting culture.

 

[The alchemist]

Palestinians do have a state and I am not saying this as discrimination or hate towards Arabs at all, but they have Jordan and the Gulf nations.

Palestinians don't have Jordan or other Arab countries. That is a ridiculous comment. Those people are not the same people. Why would they go to other countries when Jews who are of other regions displaced them from their lands? I'm not sure why you perpetuate this notion that these Arab speaking people are a monolith. If you're a Somali, please don't perpetuate these dumb Zionist talking points. A Palestinian is not a Syrian, Saudi, Egyptian, or Jordanian. Jordan has already taken in so many Palestinians; half of the country's demographic is Palestinian. You're basically reinforcing genocide with that language. Why can't these people go elsewhere? Rather say, why can't the Zionists seize their theft and murder? I think that is the right direction. No one wants to be kicked out of their homeland.

Arabs in Iran make up 4-6 million of the country. They are not similar to Israelis whatsoever, and neither does Iran have a system like Israel. And to use what you mentioned, it's like saying, why can't the Iranian Afghans like Tajiks go to Iran. Those people are not the same, although I would say they have more in common as Iranian people than a Palestinian and an Egyptian or Saudi.

This notion that the Catholic church as a Roman continuity is a farce, but it is a conversation for another day. Western Rome broke down, and those Romanized Germanics went into the local customs and rule, with the taxation systems gone. "Western civilization" concept is a very modern thing where these "enlightenment" thinkers adopted Greek thinking and started to claim continuity of thinking despite there being a disconnect. The connections now are later-adopted philosophies that ironically were mediated by the Muslims, since Europe had lost that connection, given the very same Catholic church.

 

[sh-89]

Palestinians don't have Jordan or other Arab countries. That is a ridiculous comment. Those people are not the same people. Why would they go to other countries when Jews who are of other regions displaced them from their lands? I'm not sure why you perpetuate this notion that these Arab speaking people are a monolith. If you're a Somali, please don't perpetuate these dumb Zionist talking points. A Palestinian is not a Syrian, Saudi, Egyptian, or Jordanian. Jordan has already taken in so many Palestinians; half of the country's demographic is Palestinian. You're basically reinforcing genocide with that language. Why can't these people go elsewhere? Rather say, why can't the Zionists seize their theft and murder? I think that is the right direction. No one wants to be kicked out of their homeland.

Arabs in Iran make up 4-6 million of the country. They are not similar to Israelis whatsoever, and neither does Iran have a system like Israel. And to use what you mentioned, it's like saying, why can't the Iranian Afghans like Tajiks go to Iran. Those people are not the same, although I would say they have more in common as Iranian people than a Palestinian and an Egyptian or Saudi.

This notion that the Catholic church as a Roman continuity is a farce, but it is a conversation for another day. Western Rome broke down, and those Romanized Germanics went into the local customs and rule, with the taxation systems gone. "Western civilization" concept is a very modern thing where these "enlightenment" thinkers adopted Greek thinking and started to claim continuity of thinking despite there being a disconnect. The connections now are later-adopted philosophies that ironically were mediated by the Muslims, since Europe had lost that connection, given the very same Catholic church.

I never said shit about them leaving or anything. But they are intact the same people. Its based off language and culture. Im not a ignorant fool and think Arabs are all the same. I specifically said Jordan and possible some are Egyptian. Those three groups are the same people but perhaps some minor differences. Palestinians are exactly the same situation as Somalis split into Kenya, Ethiopia and Somalia. And another similar place is India and Pakistan. That was a two state solution. Same thing with Israel/Jordan. Jordan and Palestinians are the same.

Now as far as who will win and whether Israel as a nation will continue on or not is up in the air. The momentum of the Palestine movement is too strong. As far as my emotions being tied to it, I really dont care. I feel the same sorrow for any group being killed Sudan, Ukraine, Palestine, Iran etc hell anywhere there is violence. I dont know why you think because I am Somali I have to have some high stake in the game, lol gtfoh. People have fatigue over talking about conflicts. Hell people have it when it comes to Somalia, sorry to break it to you but most people feel sorry for others but nothing they can do about it. You think I can change the fate and who I cheerlead for? Please be serious.

To my point about Iran you missed my point entirely. It went over your head. Khameni is deporting Afghani refugees out of Iran. Have you met Persian Iranians? They have a disdain for Arabs and fought Iraq. Look:

Thousands of Afghans are fleeing Iran every day to escape war and deportation

ISLAMABAD (AP) — Thousands of Afghans are fleeing Iran every day to escape deportation and war, a major international aid agency and Taliban official said Friday. Millions of Afghans have called Iran home for decades. But they have been leaving in large numbers since October 2023, when...

halifax.citynews.ca

Over 8,000 Afghan migrants deported daily from Iran - Khaama Press

Over 8,000 Afghan migrants are being deported daily from Iran through the Dogharoun border, with more than 95,000 deported in a week.

www.khaama.com

Some are fleeing due to fear of looming war and a lot are being deported. I am referring the anti-arab culture in Iran. I dont expect them to like having a bunch of arab sunnis from Afghanistan or anywhere. Pakistan is also deporting like crazy. You missed my point about Sunnis vs Shia conflict. Its a separate issue to Israel, I was comparing the focus on the numbers going to high and losing power. Not the nations. India has the same attitude towards Muslims and don't want their numbers to decrease they dont even hide it. They fear losing power and becoming a minority to Muslims in Iran's case they are Muslim but dont want to lose numbers to Sunnis.

I never said it was a continuation. I said it was where it began and than they white washed his image. Christianity started in Rome. Abrahamic religions predates Rome though of course. I agree the title judeo-christian is a farce.

Lastly, I always wondered if Palestinians dislike secular Jews like the ones on Oct 7th. I am assuming they dislike them taking a religious land and turn it into a Western party culture. I can see how they dislike they'll because the whole point of the nation is the land being significant. Israel is confusing, is it a theocracy or democracy? I think this is why some Orthodox Jews dislike it as well. What do you think?

 

[The alchemist]

I never said shit about them leaving or anything. But they are intact the same people. Its based off language and culture. Im not a ignorant fool and think Arabs are all the same. I specifically said Jordan and possible some are Egyptian. Those three groups are the same people but perhaps some minor differences. Palestinians are exactly the same situation as Somalis split into Kenya, Ethiopia and Somalia. And another similar place is India and Pakistan. That was a two state solution. Same thing with Israel/Jordan. Jordan and Palestinians are the same.

Now as far as who will win and whether Israel as a nation will continue on or not is up in the air. The momentum of the Palestine movement is too strong. As far as my emotions being tied to it, I really dont care. I feel the same sorrow for any group being killed Sudan, Ukraine, Palestine, Iran etc hell anywhere there is violence. I dont know why you think because I am Somali I have to have some high stake in the game, lol gtfoh. People have fatigue over talking about conflicts. Hell people have it when it comes to Somalia, sorry to break it to you but most people feel sorry for others but nothing they can do about it. You think I can change the fate and who I cheerlead for? Please be serious.

To my point about Iran you missed my point entirely. It went over your head. Khameni is deporting Afghani refugees out of Iran. Have you met Persian Iranians? They have a disdain for Arabs and fought Iraq. Look:

Thousands of Afghans are fleeing Iran every day to escape war and deportation

ISLAMABAD (AP) — Thousands of Afghans are fleeing Iran every day to escape deportation and war, a major international aid agency and Taliban official said Friday. Millions of Afghans have called Iran home for decades. But they have been leaving in large numbers since October 2023, when...

halifax.citynews.ca

Over 8,000 Afghan migrants deported daily from Iran - Khaama Press

Over 8,000 Afghan migrants are being deported daily from Iran through the Dogharoun border, with more than 95,000 deported in a week.

www.khaama.com

Some are fleeing due to fear of looming war and a lot are being deported. I am referring the anti-arab culture in Iran. I dont expect them to like having a bunch of arab sunnis from Afghanistan or anywhere. Pakistan is also deporting like crazy. You missed my point about Sunnis vs Shia conflict. Its a separate issue to Israel, I was comparing the focus on the numbers going to high and losing power. Not the nations. India has the same attitude towards Muslims and don't want their numbers to decrease they dont even hide it. They fear losing power and becoming a minority to Muslims in Iran's case they are Muslim but dont want to lose numbers to Sunnis.

I never said it was a continuation. I said it was where it began and than they white washed his image. Christianity started in Rome. Abrahamic religions predates Rome though of course. I agree the title judeo-christian is a farce.

Lastly, I always wondered if Palestinians dislike secular Jews like the ones on Oct 7th. I am assuming they dislike them taking a religious land and turn it into a Western party culture. I can see how they dislike they'll because the whole point of the nation is the land being significant. Israel is confusing, is it a theocracy or democracy? I think this is why some Orthodox Jews dislike it as well. What do you think?

Once you started spewing the ignorance, claiming Egyptians and Jordanians are the same people as Palestinians, is when you lost the plot, perpetuating Zionist talking points, and still try to present yourself as a reasonable actor in this conversation with this two-stepping, shifty act. You know they are different, but then say, "Why can't they go there, they're all Arabs and the same (or similar enough), after all?" No rational person has time for that dishonest peddling, favoring the Israeli Zionist genocidal language that only seeks to strengthen the Israeli expansion. I don't have anything more to say to you. I already stated Jordan absorbs so many Palestinians that they are half of the population, and you still double down. But that is not their native land, nor is Egypt, an even more distinct area. I don't have time for this nonsense, and end it here.

 

[reer]

Once you started spewing the ignorance, claiming Egyptians and Jordanians are the same people as Palestinians, is when you lost the plot, perpetuating Zionist talking points, and still try to present yourself as a reasonable actor in this conversation with this two-stepping, shifty act. You know they are different, but then say, "Why can't they go there, they're all Arabs and the same (or similar enough), after all?" No rational person has time for that dishonest peddling, favoring the Israeli Zionist genocidal language that only seeks to strengthen the Israeli expansion. I don't have anything more to say to you. I already stated Jordan absorbs so many Palestinians that they are half of the population, and you still double down. But that is not their native land, nor is Egypt, an even more distinct area. I don't have time for this nonsense, and end it here.

yes. also southern jordan vs northern/western jordan is a rough divide. southern/western jordan is more similar to the peninsula and they have same qabiils as the peninsula. amman mirrors damascus and ramallah. but the desert is more similar to the khaleej. those tribes stretch through southern jordan through the levant and sinai.