Is it Lawful to Close the Mosques?

[Omar del Sur]

okay I found my post

Both very interesting books! I recommend them both!

I also really enjoyed these

so all I did was say I enjoyed the Putnam books... and I did! they are very interesting books, giving a point of view from the past

 

[The alchemist]

okay I found my post



so all I did was say I enjoyed the Putnam books... and I did! they are very interesting books, giving a point of view from the past

He was arguing against desegregation on racist grounds. His conclusion follows from the premise, meaning you only agree with his policy objectives on segregation if you believe the biological pseudoscience that blacks were inferior.

 

[Omar del Sur]

He was arguing against desegregation on racist grounds. His conclusion follows from the premise, meaning you only agree with his policy objectives on segregation if you believe the biological pseudoscience that blacks were inferior.

Listen, if you want to completely hijack this thread to debate about the 1960's- let's do it!

I already made my argument about Coronavirus and it would be boring to keep repeating "yeah but what about the classical scholars, tho?".

So anyways.

If you are a white Southern family in 1960's Mississippi- integrating the schools might objectively make your kid's school a more dangerous place. I mean if your kid's school is all white, middle-class kids and you mix them in with a bunch of AA's bussed in from the slums- it might objectively lead to problems.

I don't think 1960's Southern parents were necessarily evil people because they didn't want to send their kids to integrated schools and I don't think it was cool for the government to force it on them. Many back then were talking about having a voluntary option of letting the parents send their kids to nonintegrated schools and giving the parents a choice. I think it might have been good to give the parents a choice.

Honestly, my thoughts are like this: the 1960's movement of forcing integration on people who didn't want it..... I don't think that movement had the best interests of blacks, whites or of children at heart but had a Communist agenda......

look at what George Wallace said


the man had a point and I agree with his views on there being a Communist connection.... Putnam also asserts that the movement plays into the hands of the reds...

I also think MLK was either a Commie or a Communist sympathizer, I dislike him, I think he was a sinister guy and I don't think he was a hero

if you want to accuse me of being interested in the history of the 1960's then I am guilty as charged

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

@Omar del Sur

I find it rather strange as to why you would cite sources from pakistan but not saudi arabia even though you are salafi inclined ? You don't take anything from the scholars of pakistan etc why start now ? This is a matter of a local jurisdiction and each country etc depending on their situation will implement different rules, it's not a matter of aqeedah you need to understand this

Can i ask what was not sufficient with the decision from the scholars of saudi that you had to look elsewhere even though you're a salafi ? is their decision no longer valid simply because it goes against your understanding ? what gives ?

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Listen, if you want to completely hijack this thread to debate about the 1960's- let's do it!

I already made my argument about Coronavirus and it would be boring to keep repeating "yeah but what about the classical scholars, tho?".

So anyways.

If you are a white Southern family in 1960's Mississippi- integrating the schools might objectively make your kid's school a more dangerous place. I mean if your kid's school is all white, middle-class kids and you mix them in with a bunch of AA's bussed in from the slums- it might objectively lead to problems.

I don't think 1960's Southern parents were necessarily evil people because they didn't want to send their kids to integrated schools and I don't think it was cool for the government to force it on them. Many back then were talking about having a voluntary option of letting the parents send their kids to nonintegrated schools and giving the parents a choice. I think it might have been good to give the parents a choice.

Honestly, my thoughts are like this: the 1960's movement of forcing integration on people who didn't want it..... I don't think that movement had the best interests of blacks, whites or of children at heart but had a Communist agenda......

look at what George Wallace said


the man had a point and I agree with his views on there being a Communist connection.... Putnam also asserts that the movement plays into the hands of the reds...

I also think MLK was either a Commie or a Communist sympathizer, I dislike him, I think he was a sinister guy and I don't think he was a hero

if you want to accuse me of being interested in the history of the 1960's then I am guilty as charged

How is it you've a problem with forced integration but not forced segregation ? it's common knowledge that the whites who were proponents of keeping the status quo did so on the merits of white supremacy.

Racial segregration in usa was the institutionalisation of forced segregation along racial lines blacks were forced by law to accept unequal access to services, jobs, healthcare, housing, education etc. There were literally signs indicating where they were allowed to eat, enter, work, talk etc even when they had access to services that were reserved for them it was of a low quality

They were fighting for the continuation of the unequal treatment between whites and blacks so as to safeguard their own privileges, this is what was at stake for these people. They viewed blacks as being inferior and as such didn't want that they should be treated equal to them in any way.

How you managed to overlook the injustice of a system like that and give benefit of the doubt to those it benefited the most is simply astounding to say the least. It's why @The alchemist called you out for it and not your interest in the history of that era

It's as if you've an issue against african americans or even blacks in general ? that's the only possible reason i could think of that would explain your bias.

 

[Marsh]

 

[Sabaayad]

@Omar del Sur

Yes it should be closed and Islam allows us to take precautions. Why would you want to catch the virus and spread it to others? This is retarded behaviour. Pray at home and start social distancing. All those Muslims protesting the closure of mosques during this pandemic need to be fined or face the law. Gulf countries like Saudi Arabia handled the situation well, Mecca and the Hajj is closed.