Is independent Oromia good or bad for Somalia?

[AbdiGeedi]

Let's assume Oromia managed to gain independence. Will it be good for Somalia or not?

There won't that veneer or envelope of stateliness Ethiopia has or had till now. I am afraid Oromia will quickly turn its eyes onto Somalia with plans to grab our coastline. Their numbers don't bode well for Somalia. Do you think it is better for Somalia to have them tangled up with Habashis in united Ethioipia? Can independent Oromia behave as a good neighbor?

I think the now escalating TPLF and Addis Ababa frictions are the real opportunity of Oromos to break free. It is scary times for Somalia.

 

[Marquis]

Independent Oromia would be way better. Ethiopia are on track to be a African superpower, a partitioned Ethiopia makes the region more balanced rather than a Ethiopian playground.

 

[FarxanFarax223]

Let's assume Oromia managed to gain independence. Will it be good for Somalia or not?

There won't that veneer or envelope of stateliness Ethiopia has or had till now. I am afraid Oromia will quickly turn its eyes onto Somalia with plans to grab our coastline. Their numbers don't bode well for Somalia. Do you think it is better for Somalia to have them tangled up with Habashis in united Ethioipia? Can independent Oromia behave as a good neighbor?

I think the now escalating TPLF and Addis Ababa frictions are the real opportunity of Oromos to break free. It is scary times for Somalia.

Somalis and Oromos are both marginalized groups at the mercy of Amhara ethno-nationalists and have a much better relationship than Somalis do with Amhara colionalist-sympathisers. Instability also increases chances for Ogaden to secede as well

 

[AbdiGeedi]

I understand their struggle and drive for freedom.

I am not sold on Oromo being good neighbors though. There is too much Somali blood in their hands. They don't seem to hesitate in exterminating Somalis and grabbing our lands.

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[Shmurda]

A weaker Ethiopia levels the playing field even if the Oromos were to attack us they wouldn't be able to do too much damage by themselves especially when they'll have Highlanders breathing down their neck waiting for a moment to attack

 

[BetterDaysAhead]

I’m more concerned with how much galbeed they’ll try to annex as part of oromia than them taking our coastline which will never happen

 

[Rom]

oromos are cancer of the horn

 

[Rom]

I’m more concerned with how much galbeed they’ll try to annex as part of oromia than them taking our coastline which will never happen

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Oromos will never become independent.

They are as crazy as Amharas.

They have become like Zulus they destroy everything on their path.

Let's see how things turn out because Jawar is just an opportunist like Abye and the rest.

 

[AbdiGeedi]

A weaker Ethiopia levels the playing field even if the Oromos were to attack us they wouldn't be able to do too much damage by themselves especially when they'll have Highlanders breathing down their neck waiting for a moment to attack

I am not sure about that. For every Somali there are three or more Oromos. It is enough to kick all of the Gelada Baboons, Reer Porcupine, Reer Afweyne, Reer Futoweyne and Reer Jareérweyne at the same time.

Machete swinging Oromos come to Somalia and say: "Get the f*ck out!".
Somalis: "Where are we gonna go? There is only ocean."
Oromos: "Swim to Madagascar!"
Result: The Trail of Tears...........

Why do you think Tigrayans want to cut ties with Oromos? They saw the writing on the wall.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

The thing in Ethiopia is complicated.

For Somalis all of them are not good be it Amhara,Oromo or Tigray.
Only a Somali can decide his future no need riding on Oromos to bring change on our behalf.

We have seen how Qerro was used to lynch innocent somali civilians.

 

[AbdiGeedi]

Look at Oromesque Abiy. He views his Amhara mother's side as more civilized than Oromos. He has a point.

According to Dereje, on the night of June 28, hundreds of young Oromo men armed with clubs and machetes targeted ethnic minorities in Dera. They roamed from neighbourhood to neighbourhood, stopping at the homes of people like Dereje, who is of ethnic Amhara ancestry.

The assailants targeted Dereje’s son Mersha, 28. He was dragged outside, stabbed multiple times and finally beheaded by members of the jeering mob. Dereje managed to escape with the help of neighbours, but witnessed his son’s killing.

Mersha’s body was left in the street and the house was burnt down. The engineer and Arba Minch University graduate had recently applied for a job with Ethiopian Airlines.

Seven people were killed in Dera that night.

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[FarxanFarax223]

I am not sure about that. For every Somali there are three or more Oromos. It is enough to kick all of the Gelada Baboons, Reer Porcupine, Reer Afweyne, Reer Futoweyne and Reer Jareérweyne at the same time.

Machete swinging Oromos come to Somalia and say: "Get the f*ck out!".
Somalis: "Where are we gonna go? There is only ocean."
Oromos: "Swim to Madagascar!"
Result: The Trail of Tears...........

Why do you think Tigrayans want to cut ties with Oromos? They saw the writing on the wall.

Somaliland's army reportedly only has 45,000 or so troops but the deal with Sisi said they must train another 45 k. So I don't think it's that small, and that doesn't include tribal militias either. Oddly enough Somalia's appears to be smaller. But AMISOM and Ethiopian (non-Oromo) would help so that bolsters our numbers. Plus you factor in home advantage and that we have everything at stake we should win

 

[Rom]

Look at Oromesque Abiy. He views his Amhara mother's side as more civilized than Oromos. He has a point.

apparently they also beheaded a whole family
these nikkas are savages

 

[mustang22]

Once Egypt builds a new military base in Bosaso, it will be game over for Ethiopia and Ogaden will rejoin with Somalia.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

apparently they also beheaded a whole family
these nikkas are savages

If he was Somali I would believe him but Amharas are pathological liars.

The general in charge of killing Oromo demonstrators is Amhara he said shoot to kill any Oromo seen with twigs.

 

[FarxanFarax223]

Once Egypt builds a new military base in Bosaso, it will be game over for Ethiopia and Ogaden will rejoin with Somalia.

*Berbera.

 

[Ras]

It's great for us.

First of all we'd be able to annex huge chunks of their land without needing to fight all of Ethiopia... especially sneaky Habesha who know how to use diplomacy against politically inept people like us.

It also takes away the majority of cannon fodder Ethiopia could use against us in a war.

 

[Removed]

Oromoa can not receive independence and is not interested due to a couple of reasons

1.Geographically it is very challenging because thet are wrapped around many other states and have very many land disputes with each and every one of those.

2.They are opportunists just like all human beings. What type of person gives up for independence of there state when they can rule the entire country. The aim for them is to have Ethiopia at the federal level as they are the largest group and have their state too themselves whilst absorbing more lands.

The thing in Ethiopia is complicated.

For Somalis all of them are not good be it Amhara,Oromo or Tigray.
Only a Somali can decide his future no need riding on Oromos to bring change on our behalf.

We have seen how Qerro was used to lynch innocent somali civilians.

ONLF and Jawar should definitely align with the TPLF to ensure more state rights but should avoid causing enough problems that it would come back to bite them.

No such thing as friends here only interests and at this moment OLF ONLF and TPLF all have the same interests. Abiy is cancer and a centralized Ethiopia is worst case scenario for the horn in general.

 

[AbdiGeedi]

@Removed I don't think you fully understand the popular hatred that got built up among Oromos against Habashis as the rulers of Ethiopia. The Oromo leaders come and go. Ordinary people on the other hand carry the resentment through and over multiple generations.

On your first point, geography was never a limiting factor for self-rule movements around the world. The disputes Oromos have with the neighboring states do not constitute a unified obstacle against them. To the contrary, the relationships among those states are volatile and it won't be that hard to employ their weaknesses for solidify the Oromo plans. Habashi Amhara are not one thing with Habashi Tigray. Somalia is not in alliance with Kenya. Djibouti is not a concubine of Eritrea. Somaliland would rather prefer to save the drowning Yemenis than help Somalis not be eaten by sharks.

On your second point, Habashis ruled Ethiopia. See how far they got in reigning in Oromos. What makes you think that Oromos would be any more successful in yoking Habashis in one Ethiopia now?

Independence is a far better option for Oromos in the long term. Once they get strong as an sovereign country, Oromos can start a push at annexing adjacent territories on their own terms and not on the federalist/centralist utopian under-the-gun state.

My question to you is this: Who is actually in charge in Ethiopia right now? What group?