Is anyone else angry Somali history before colonization is not well known?

[HabarSteven12]

The cope from this man in the face of the sources he just brings up load of bs and somehow not a single one of them can he bring a screenshot of what he's talking about. This is a certified Habasha nigga


Crying over the greatness of the Somali race won't rebuild all those churches we burnt down habash.

Well amxaariod burnt down numerous mosques in Zeila and the Muslim states. Imam Ahmed didn't do anything wrong. Imam Ahmed actually allowed the Christians to practice their religion in peace but they broke the peace treaty and started attacking his troops.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Sharif Aidarus is not a source correct? Did you even read the book lol. I literally screenshot the excat words of sharif aidarus.

THE OROMO OF ETHIOPIA, 1500-1850 : WITH SPECIAL with a special emphasis on the given region is not a source correct?

The conquest of absynnnia by sihab ad din isn't a source correct.

you haven't once cited futuh al habesh.

all you do is qoute or rephrase specific paragraph from "The Oromo of Ethiopia"

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Somali nomads did play a role in the jihad against abyssinia. No one denies that. But to say they were the majority fighting force for Imam Ahmed is a blatant disregard for historical accuracy.

I've shared piece of work of the world's greatest university oxford
We can go on counting the soldiers one by one mentioned in the futuh
Majority of them would still be somalis

Why were Malasay and Somalis separated and described differently in Futush-al-Habesh?

Because they were special forces

Why did Imam Ahmed have to send spies to observe his own people?

Lol you ironically admitted that majority of malasay were somalis

He sent spies to observer them because he didn't want to lose majority of his army
Somalis and somali malasay were his back bone without him he wouldn't go anywhere.

And why he sent spies to observe them if they're his people?
Aren't that the objective of spies? Btw if you can observe When somalis do meeting they speak in their own language
Meaning The imam sent somalis to observe somalis
So basically Somali sent somali to observe a somali

Imam Ahmed trusted Malasay

They were special forces bro, it wasn't based on ethnicity...

That's because Somali Nomads were very treacherou

Whatever makes you sleep at night
Even tho his brother in law was one of them

Malasay following Somalis doesn't prove shit.

You're actually so intellectually dishonest you make it seem like arguing with you is useless

Not all malasay observe use some braincells
but majority of them were attending a somali meeting
Then arab fiqh notes that if somalis leave majority of malasays will also leave not all of them
If you're being honest with yourself
Why would they go with somalis and attend a somali meeting if they're not somalis themselves?

 

[Somali_patriotic]

We wuz kangs and sheet. Take care and doing extensive reading on this topic. Wallahi it will change your opinion.

Us reading and not you?

 

[HabarSteven12]

I've shared piece of work of the world's greatest university oxford
We can go on counting the soldiers one by one mentioned in the futuh
Majority of them would still be somalis

Because they were special forces

Lol you ironically admitted that majority of malasay were somalis
View attachment 289449
He sent spies to observer them because he didn't want to lose majority of his army
Somalis and somali malasay were his back bone without him he wouldn't go anywhere.

And why he sent spies to observe them if they're his people?
Aren't that the objective of spies? Btw if you can observe When somalis do meeting they speak in their own language
Meaning The imam sent somalis to observe somalis
So basically Somali sent somali to observe a somali View attachment 289451

They were special forces bro, it wasn't based on ethnicity...

Whatever makes you sleep at night
Even tho his brother in law was one of them


You're actually so intellectually dishonest you make it seem like arguing with you is useless

Not all malasay observe use some braincells
but majority of them were attending a somali meeting
Then arab fiqh notes that if somalis leave majority of malasays will also leave not all of them
If you're being honest with yourself
Why would they go with somalis and attend a somali meeting if they're not somalis themselves?
View attachment 289453

What does malasay mean in af somali? Why are Malasay and Somalis separated and described differently in Futuh-al-Habesh? Okay, for the sake of argument, your ridiculous analysis of Malaasay is compelling and intellectually honest. Show me anywhere in the Futuh al Habesh that alludes to Malasay being Somali. Not the current source you provided. Just one source that shows Malasay are Somali. Do you not have the intellectual capacity to answer these questions? Dont run away? Okay, I will be generous. Just tell me what Malasay means in af Somali? Wallahi you are extremely intellectually deficient in this topic. You are always selectively misquoting passages to suit your ridiculous narrative.

 

[HabarSteven12]

I've shared piece of work of the world's greatest university oxford
We can go on counting the soldiers one by one mentioned in the futuh
Majority of them would still be somalis

Because they were special forces

Lol you ironically admitted that majority of malasay were somalis
View attachment 289449
He sent spies to observer them because he didn't want to lose majority of his army
Somalis and somali malasay were his back bone without him he wouldn't go anywhere.

And why he sent spies to observe them if they're his people?
Aren't that the objective of spies? Btw if you can observe When somalis do meeting they speak in their own language
Meaning The imam sent somalis to observe somalis
So basically Somali sent somali to observe a somali View attachment 289451

They were special forces bro, it wasn't based on ethnicity...

Whatever makes you sleep at night
Even tho his brother in law was one of them


You're actually so intellectually dishonest you make it seem like arguing with you is useless

Not all malasay observe use some braincells
but majority of them were attending a somali meeting
Then arab fiqh notes that if somalis leave majority of malasays will also leave not all of them
If you're being honest with yourself
Why would they go with somalis and attend a somali meeting if they're not somalis themselves?
View attachment 289453

This is my last time giving you a source. M. Hassan states: Arab Faqih makes it very clear that the sedentary agriculturalists population of Harar provided both the leadership in the jihadic war and that they were the majority of the fighters at least during the early days of the jihad. Futuh Al-Habaša: The Conquest of Abyssinia [16th Century] by Šihab ad-Din Ahmad bin Abd al-Qader bin Salem bin Utman.

 

[HabarSteven12]

you haven't once cited futuh al habesh.

all you do is qoute or rephrase specific paragraph from "The Oromo of Ethiopia"

This is my last time giving you a source. M. Hassan states: Arab Faqih makes it very clear that the sedentary agriculturalists population of Harar provided both the leadership in the jihadic war and that they were the majority of the fighters at least during the early days of the jihad. Futuh Al-Habaša: The Conquest of Abyssinia [16th Century] by Šihab ad-Din Ahmad bin Abd al-Qader bin Salem bin Utman.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

He doesn't give his own opinions. Everything he has compiled is from Futush-al-Habesh, intellectual scholars and archeological evidence. So futush al Habesh is not enough evidence. Statements from scholars such as Al Umari and masadui is not enough evidence? Come bro you could do better than that.

Archeological evidence? show it
Al umari was really clueless lol

You quoting someone's who's book is called
OROMO bro

 

[Somali_patriotic]

What does malasay mean in af somali?

I'm not aware if malasay have meaning in somali
The sultanate might have adopted it to name it
It's special forces just like how hararis used the somali words garad to describe their leaders

Why are Malasay and Somalis separated and described differently in Futuh-al-Habesh?

Malasay is the name of the adal sultanate special forces bro wth, majority of them were somalis yes
I don't know what do you mean by "described" differently but ofc they would be separated
Would the average american soldier be on the same team with the American special forces?

Okay, for the sake of argument, your ridiculous analysis of Malaasay is compelling and intellectually honest.

Lol so I'm dishonest continue coping

Show me anywhere in the Futuh al Habesh that alludes to Malasay being Somali.

Not all of them bruh because malasay it self isn't a tribe or ethnicity
I've shared the source alot of times
Now i dare you to point out where it says hararis were the majority malasay
I've sent the source from the futuh, you refused it
Now i double dare you to send me the page in futuh al habesha where it says HARARIS are majority of malasay lol

Do you not have the intellectual capacity to answer these questions? Dont run away? Okay,

Haye sheegato meel uma socdo

Wallahi you are extremely intellectually deficient in this topic. You are always selectively misquoting passages to suit your ridiculous narrative.

Elaborate nigga
Wallahi we could ask everybody here who's misquoting passages and you would be surprised
You were even making up sources?

 

[Somali_patriotic]

This is my last time giving you a source. M. Hassan states: Arab Faqih makes it very clear that the sedentary agriculturalists population of Harar provided both the leadership in the jihadic war and that they were the majority of the fighters at least during the early days of the jihad. Futuh Al-Habaša: The Conquest of Abyssinia [16th Century] by Šihab ad-Din Ahmad bin Abd al-Qader bin Salem bin Utman.

Point it out then
Where in the futuh did arab fiqh say that
Don't run, the book is available online habibi
Now go on it and type harari on the search bar
"Wait what! No mention of hararis or argobbas or ethio semitics!????? Nooooo"

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

This is my last time giving you a source. M. Hassan states: Arab Faqih makes it very clear that the sedentary agriculturalists population of Harar provided both the leadership in the jihadic war and that they were the majority of the fighters at least during the early days of the jihad. Futuh Al-Habaša: The Conquest of Abyssinia [16th Century] by Šihab ad-Din Ahmad bin Abd al-Qader bin Salem bin Utman.

ok qoute the book if he made it very clear. why would you need to reqoute and rephrase the same paragraph for 8+ pages straight about a book mainly focusing on Oromo's.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

ok qoute the book if he made it very clear. why would you need to reqoute and rephrase the same paragraph for 8+ pages straight about a book mainly focusing on Oromo's.

His people's history:

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Arab fiqh book Futuh al habesha is available online
I dare you to point it out where he mentions "ethio-semitic speakers and shieet"
Nga y'all brag about Harla who were actually non-significant compared to somalis and actually are yet to be proven whether they spoke a cushitic language or a semitic one
That assumption is wild
What are you smoking bruv this is insane View attachment 289403

Harla are a Somali speaking people

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Harla are a Somali speaking people
View attachment 289475

They also claimed to be descendents of harti darood

 

[Emir of Zayla]

This is my last time giving you a source. M. Hassan states: Arab Faqih makes it very clear that the sedentary agriculturalists population of Harar provided both the leadership in the jihadic war and that they were the majority of the fighters at least during the early days of the jihad. Futuh Al-Habaša: The Conquest of Abyssinia [16th Century] by Šihab ad-Din Ahmad bin Abd al-Qader bin Salem bin Utman.

Give me the exact verse and page this is said. Hararis were irrelevant.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Mogadishu before and after expansion. The red line illustrates the city before colonisation, the green line illustrates after colonisation. This is just proof that most of the people you see in Mogadishu today only came fairly recent. Today they'd want to call the original inhabitants of the city 'guests' or 'foreigners'. All because an Italian imperialists put them in power and made this city the capital of the country. We wuz kings and shit .

This literally means nothing. Most cities in the world weren’t big until the modern age you fu*king idiot

 

[killerxsmoke]

You said with full firmness that "We had a strategic location in the Indian Ocean for much of our history." Why did the benadiri place strict restrictions on nomadic movements in the coastal settlements? How can the indigenous inhabitants be regulated and restricted in their own city by the so-called Arab foreigners? Do you realize how intellectually dishonest and foolish you sound? No Somali was allowed to reside in Benadiri towns but in settlements a quarter of a mile away.

Who the hell do you think was ruling Mogadishu in the 19th century , its was the hiraab imamate aka hawiye

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Who the hell do you think was ruling Mogadishu in the 19th century , its was the hiraab imamate aka hawiye

Hiraab conquered the city in 17th century

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

History is written by victors. Forget about the past, instead make the most of the present, and focus upon the future.