Is anyone else angry Somali history before colonization is not well known?

[HabarSteven12]

Who said I didn't? That's a whole page from a his book "بغية الامال في تاريخ الصومال "View attachment 289411

“بغية الآمال” written by the historian Sharif Aidarus.
سكان مقدشوه في القرن الأول قبل ميلاد عيسى ابن مريم عليهما السلام يذكر المؤرخون أن العرب هم أول من سكنوا مقدشوه وإن ألوان سكان هذه البلدة فيها - أسمر وفيها ما هو أشقر وأحمر، فإنهم من العرب الأقحاح الخلص) واستوطنت العرب فيها من وقت بعيد، يرجع تاريخهم إلى ما قبل الميلاد بمائة واثنين، وبالجملة فهم (العرب) قد دخلوا مقدشوه من نحو (٢٠٥٥) سنة. ما هو

السلطان أسعد الحميري.

قد حكم مقدشوه قوم التبابعة قبل الإسلام بثمانية قرون، وكان السلطان يكنى بأبي كرب، واسمه أسعد الحميري (حمير بكسر الحاء وسكون الميم . : هو

 

[Khaem]

“بغية الآمال” written by the historian Sharif Aidarus.
سكان مقدشوه في القرن الأول قبل ميلاد عيسى ابن مريم عليهما السلام يذكر المؤرخون أن العرب هم أول من سكنوا مقدشوه وإن ألوان سكان هذه البلدة فيها - أسمر وفيها ما هو أشقر وأحمر، فإنهم من العرب الأقحاح الخلص) واستوطنت العرب فيها من وقت بعيد، يرجع تاريخهم إلى ما قبل الميلاد بمائة واثنين، وبالجملة فهم (العرب) قد دخلوا مقدشوه من نحو (٢٠٥٥) سنة. ما هو

السلطان أسعد الحميري.

قد حكم مقدشوه قوم التبابعة قبل الإسلام بثمانية قرون، وكان السلطان يكنى بأبي كرب، واسمه أسعد الحميري (حمير بكسر الحاء وسكون الميم . : هو

Which page can I find this?

 

[Khaem]

“بغية الآمال” written by the historian Sharif Aidarus.
سكان مقدشوه في القرن الأول قبل ميلاد عيسى ابن مريم عليهما السلام يذكر المؤرخون أن العرب هم أول من سكنوا مقدشوه وإن ألوان سكان هذه البلدة فيها - أسمر وفيها ما هو أشقر وأحمر، فإنهم من العرب الأقحاح الخلص) واستوطنت العرب فيها من وقت بعيد، يرجع تاريخهم إلى ما قبل الميلاد بمائة واثنين، وبالجملة فهم (العرب) قد دخلوا مقدشوه من نحو (٢٠٥٥) سنة. ما هو

السلطان أسعد الحميري.

قد حكم مقدشوه قوم التبابعة قبل الإسلام بثمانية قرون، وكان السلطان يكنى بأبي كرب، واسمه أسعد الحميري (حمير بكسر الحاء وسكون الميم . : هو

These Shisheeye always chatting about the Noble Somali

 

[ibrahym]

“بغية الآمال” written by the historian Sharif Aidarus.
سكان مقدشوه في القرن الأول قبل ميلاد عيسى ابن مريم عليهما السلام يذكر المؤرخون أن العرب هم أول من سكنوا مقدشوه وإن ألوان سكان هذه البلدة فيها - أسمر وفيها ما هو أشقر وأحمر، فإنهم من العرب الأقحاح الخلص) واستوطنت العرب فيها من وقت بعيد، يرجع تاريخهم إلى ما قبل الميلاد بمائة واثنين، وبالجملة فهم (العرب) قد دخلوا مقدشوه من نحو (٢٠٥٥) سنة. ما هو

السلطان أسعد الحميري.

قد حكم مقدشوه قوم التبابعة قبل الإسلام بثمانية قرون، وكان السلطان يكنى بأبي كرب، واسمه أسعد الحميري (حمير بكسر الحاء وسكون الميم . : هو

There is no evidence for this and the history of Himyar is just Hotep they claiming that they ruled the land from China to Morocco. Every reputable historian mocked them and described their stories as superstitious, like Ibn Khaldun

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

There is a difference between urban Tunnis who are Bravanese [Rer Brava or Barawani] and rural Tunnis who are not Bravanese" (Associate Professor 26 Nov. 2014). The Independent Researcher indicated that urban Tunni, who live mainly in Brava, speak Bravanese Chimini, and "share the same cultural traits and occupations as the inhabitants of the urban towns of the southern coast of Somalia, such as Brava". Stop making excuses. You just can't believe Benadiri were the majority.

your gish galloping neither document was about Mogadishu. funny enough the second document was about Merca. the pdf the screenshot was taken is called "The city of Marka, the Bimaals and the dominion on the Somali Coast"

 

[HabarSteven12]

your gish galloping neither document was about Mogadishu. funny enough the second document was about Merca. the pdf the screenshot was taken is called "The city of Marka, the Bimaals and the dominion on the Somali Coast"

We wuz kings and shit

 

[HabarSteven12]

your gish galloping neither document was about Mogadishu. funny enough the second document was about Merca. the pdf the screenshot was taken is called "The city of Marka, the Bimaals and the dominion on the Somali Coast"

Mogadishu before and after expansion. The red line illustrates the city before colonisation, the green line illustrates after colonisation. This is just proof that most of the people you see in Mogadishu today only came fairly recent. Today they'd want to call the original inhabitants of the city 'guests' or 'foreigners'. All because an Italian imperialists put them in power and made this city the capital of the country. We wuz kings and shit .

 

[HabarSteven12]

Which page can I find this?

Just read the whole book. You will gain alot of knowledge.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

We wuz kings and shit

I can barely read those censuses + you're cherry picking
Here a detalied thread about the censuses,
Majority of the inhabitants were ethnic somalis

Thanks to @Shimbiris very informative thread
Thread 'Gibil-Madow Benadiris' https://www.somalispot.com/threads/gibil-madow-benadiris.116358/

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Mogadishu before and after expansion. The red line illustrates the city before colonisation, the green line illustrates after colonisation. This is just proof that most of the people you see in Mogadishu today only came fairly recent. Today they'd want to call the original inhabitants of the city 'guests' or 'foreigners'. All because an Italian imperialists put them in power and made this city the capital of the country. We wuz kings and shit .

Most people lived in the interior of mogadishu and outside it were ethnic somalis brother
Even the Portuguese reported what they saw in 16th century
Majority of the population were dark skinned and brown skinned people except if you're saying arabs are black too

 

[HabarSteven12]

Arab fiqh book Futuh al habesha is available online
I dare you to point it out where he mentions "ethio-semitic speakers and shieet"
Nga y'all brag about Harla who were actually non-significant compared to somalis and actually are yet to be proven whether they spoke a cushitic language or a semitic one
That assumption is wild
What are you smoking bruv this is insane View attachment 289403

The Islamic current brought by merchants and immigrants powerfully affected the formation of states between the port of Zeila and the rich highlands of the south in the interior. Thus, between the ninth and the fourteenth centuries, a number of states such as Shawa, Ifat, Hadiya, Dawaro, Bali, Adal and a number of smaller ones came into existence. While the Cushitic speakers Islamicised, Islam did not seem to have gone deep into the cultural life of the people. Most of the Muslim rulers seem to have been Semitic speakers, who were Muslim in their customs, names, titles, and religion. The second source of our information for the first major Muslim Christian struggle comes from the pen of the great Egyptian scholar al- Umari. He reported on the basis, of information he gathered from Shaikh Abdallah of Zila, the ambassador of Ifat, who wenft to Egypt on behalf of the Muslims to seek support from Egypt. Al- Umari, who produced this story around 1345 described the seven Muslim states, their cooperation and competition, strength and weakness, the richess and poverty with astonishing clarity. The story of al- Umari, although not as rich as that of the anonymous Christian chronicler, is quite
detailed and reliable.

This army was better than any other the
Muslim leaders had been able to raise in the past, because of its superior military organisation. It was divided into three main groups. The first was the Malasay. This was the personal bodyguard of the Imam,
commanded by him alone. The entire Malasay was composed of sedentary people, including the Harla and the Adare. A necessity of a common language, or closely related and mutually intelligible languages, for effective communications seems to have determined the ethnic composition of this crack force. The Malasay was well-disciplined, thoroughly trained, and above all mounted and well armed with sabres from Arabia, shields from India and swords from north Africa. Its ranks increased by the stream of Arab preachers, musketeers and mercenaries who now flocked to Harar in large numbers." This clearly shows Arabs and hararis were the majority force of the Malasay my friend.

See for example al-*Umari, Masalik al-Absar fi Mamalik el Amsar.
pp. 1-3; Maqrizi, The book of the true knowledge of the history
of the kings in Abyssinia, p. 8; Cerulli, Studi Etiopici ; la
lingua e la storia di Harar, (Roma : 193&), vol. I, pp. 17-18.
2* The Glorious Victories of Amda-Siyon. p. 90*
3. al- Umari, ibid., pp. 1-3 et passim.

 

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

Mogadishu before and after expansion. The red line illustrates the city before colonisation, the green line illustrates after colonisation. This is just proof that most of the people you see in Mogadishu today only came fairly recent. Today they'd want to call the original inhabitants of the city 'guests' or 'foreigners'. All because an Italian imperialists put them in power and made this city the capital of the country. We wuz kings and shit .

The colonial historians were notorious for attributing Somali history to Arabs.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

The Islamic current brought by merchants and immigrants powerfully affected the formation of states between the port of Zeila and the rich highlands of the south in the interior. Thus, between the ninth and the fourteenth centuries, a number of states such as Shawa, Ifat, Hadiya, Dawaro, Bali, Adal and a number of smaller ones came into existence. While the Cushitic speakers Islamicised, Islam did not seem to have gone deep into the cultural life of the people. Most of the Muslim rulers seem to have been Semitic speakers, who were Muslim in their customs, names, titles, and religion. The second source of our information for the first major Muslim
Christian struggle comes from the pen of the great Egyptian scholar al- Umari. He reported on the basis, of information he gathered from
Shaikh Abdallah of Zila, the ambassador of Ifat, who wenft to Egypt on behalf of the Muslims to seek support from Egypt. Al- Umari, who pro-
duced this story around 1345 described the seven Muslim states, their cooperation and competition, strength and weakness, the richess and poverty with astonishing clarity. The story of al- Umari, although not as rich as that of the anonymous Christian chronicler, is quite
detailed and reliable.

This army was better than any other the
Muslim leaders had been able to raise in the past, because of its superior
military organisation. It was divided into three main groups. The first was the Malasay. This was the personal bodyguard of the Imam,
commanded by him alone. The entire Malasay was composed of sedentary
people, including the Harla and the Adare. A necessity of a common language, or closely related and mutually intelligible languages, for effective communications seems to have determined the ethnic composition of this crack force. The Malasay was well-disciplined, thoroughly trained, and above all mounted and well armed with sabres from Arabia, shields from
India and swords from north Africa. Its ranks increased by the stream of Arab preachers, musketeers and mercenaries who now flocked to Harar in large numbers." This clearly shows Arabs and hararis were the majority force of the Malasay my friend.

See for example al-*Umari, Masalik al-Absar fi Mamalik el Amsar.
pp. 1-3; Maqrizi, The book of the true knowledge of the history
of the kings in Abyssinia, p. 8; Cerulli, Studi Etiopici ; la
lingua e la storia di Harar, (Roma : 193&), vol. I, pp. 17-18.
2* The Glorious Victories of Amda-Siyon. p. 90*
3. al- Umari, ibid., pp. 1-3 et passim.

You actually wrote allat of nonsense, unrelated things missing what I've said
Point out where did arab fiqh spoke about ethio semitic rulers and stuff as you claimed previously and also
Take Screenshots i ain't going around searching for unaccessible books for what you've wrote up there

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

We wuz kings and shit

you think "Asceeraf" are arab/indians?

 

[HabarSteven12]

View attachment 289427
You actually wrote allat of nonsense, unrelated things missing what I've said
Point out where did arab fiqh spoke about ethio semitic rulers and stuff as you claimed previously and also
Take Screenshots i ain't going around searching for unaccessible books for what you've wrote up there

Thus, between the ninth and the fourteenth centuries, a number of states such as Shawa, Ifat, Hadiya, Dawaro, Bali, Adal and a number of smaller ones came into existence. While the Cushitic speakers Islamicised, Islam did not seem to have gone deep into the cultural life of the people. Most of the Muslim rulers seem to have been Semitic speakers, who were Muslim in their customs, names, titles, and religion.

 

[HabarSteven12]

View attachment 289427
You actually wrote allat of nonsense, unrelated things missing what I've said
Point out where did arab fiqh spoke about ethio semitic rulers and stuff as you claimed previously and also
Take Screenshots i ain't going around searching for unaccessible books for what you've wrote up there

This army was better than any other the
Muslim leaders had been able to raise in the past, because of its superior military organisation. It was divided into three main groups. The first was the Malasay. This was the personal bodyguard of the Imam, commanded by him alone. The entire Malasay was composed of Sendentary people, including the Harla and the Adare. A necessity of a common language, or closely related and mutually intelligible languages, for effective communications seems to have determined the ethnic composition of this crack force.

Its ranks increased by the stream of Arab preachers, musketeers and mercenaries who now flocked to Harar in large numbers." This clearly shows Arabs and hararis were the majority force of the Malasay my friend.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Thus, between the ninth and the fourteenth centuries, a number of states such as Shawa, Ifat, Hadiya, Dawaro, Bali, Adal and a number of smaller ones came into existence. While the Cushitic speakers Islamicised, Islam did not seem to have gone deep into the cultural life of the people. Most of the Muslim rulers seem to have been Semitic speakers, who were Muslim in their customs, names, titles, and religion.

Or at least who made that claim
I hope you're not speaking out of your pocket

 

[Somali_patriotic]

This army was better than any other the
Muslim leaders had been able to raise in the past, because of its superior military organisation. It was divided into three main groups. The first was the Malasay. This was the personal bodyguard of the Imam, commanded by him alone. The entire Malasay was composed of Sendentary people, including the Harla and the Adare. A necessity of a common language, or closely related and mutually intelligible languages, for effective communications seems to have determined the ethnic composition of this crack force.

Its ranks increased by the stream of Arab preachers, musketeers and mercenaries who now flocked to Harar in large numbers." This clearly shows Arabs and hararis were the majority force of the Malasay my friend.

Hararis weren't mentioned once in the futuh
Malassay were literally following somalis

 

[Somali_patriotic]

This army was better than any other the
Muslim leaders had been able to raise in the past, because of its superior military organisation. It was divided into three main groups. The first was the Malasay. This was the personal bodyguard of the Imam, commanded by him alone. The entire Malasay was composed of Sendentary people, including the Harla and the Adare. A necessity of a common language, or closely related and mutually intelligible languages, for effective communications seems to have determined the ethnic composition of this crack force.

Its ranks increased by the stream of Arab preachers, musketeers and mercenaries who now flocked to Harar in large numbers." This clearly shows Arabs and hararis were the majority force of the Malasay my friend.

Here arab fiqh telling us Malassay would follow somalis
If somalis leave majority of Malassay would leave
What does that mean? Majority of them were somalis correct!

Also majority of the army were somalis
Here's an "Academical" source from OXFORD

 

[HabarSteven12]

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Or at least who made that claim
I hope you're not speaking out of your pocket

See for example al-*Umari, Masalik al-Absar fi Mamalik el Amsar.
pp. 1-3; Maqrizi, The book of the true knowledge of the history
of the kings in Abyssinia, p. 8; Cerulli, Studi Etiopici ; la
lingua e la storia di Harar, (Roma : 193&), vol. I, pp. 17-18.