Is anyone else angry Somali history before colonization is not well known?

[Khaem]

I am not Ethiopian. It is fairly normal view though? Somalis are a pastoral people, it is normal for Somalis to not produce as complex socieities as Nubia/Sudan, Abysinnia, Egypt? This does not mean there is no history, it is better than the vast majority of SSA ethnicities, many of whom were straight up hunter gatherers.

Civilization is how you manage surpluses and the systems you build to maintain that. Somalis like most pastoral people's live in a desert so we didn't manage to produce a surplus but instead had to take it from others that did.

Unfortunately, the Oromo are sitting on the land groups like Somalis normally would have occupied, farmed and settled, but there is some successes like NFD. There is no shame in this btw, it's just how our geography shaped us.

So the nomadic Mongols that conquered the world's largest empire at the time. Before them, the camel herding arabs who conquered the largest empire of their time.
But the farmer bantus had no such states as the nomad Somali. You oversimplified things.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

His last statement is pretty harsh. The urban dwellers and those that formed the city states were not ethnic Somalis. They were Arabs/Banadiri. Somalis were primarily geeljires that roamed around the desert in search of pasture and water for their livestock.

Bro arabs were also primarily nomads that roamed around the desert of arabia in search for pasture and water for their livestock

It's the minority urban arabs and traders that made history
Same for us, i wouldn't just go around saying
"Arab city-states were built by persians and jews,
arabs were primarily nomads that roamed around the desert of arabia in search for pasture and water for their livestock"

 

[Emir of Zayla]

I am not Ethiopian. It is fairly normal view though? Somalis are a pastoral people, it is normal for Somalis to not produce as complex socieities as Nubia/Sudan, Abysinnia, Egypt? This does not mean there is no history, it is better than the vast majority of SSA ethnicities, many of whom were straight up hunter gatherers.

Civilization is how you manage surpluses and the systems you build to maintain that. Somalis like most pastoral people's live in a desert so we didn't manage to produce a surplus but instead had to take it from others that did.

Unfortunately, the Oromo are sitting on the land groups like Somalis normally would have occupied, farmed and settled, but there is some successes like NFD. There is no shame in this btw, it's just how our geography shaped us.

I can understand that you might not know too much history walaal but to say that we didn’t produce complex societies is false. I’ll use one of your examples, Abyssinia.

Somalis seriously had more towns/urban-centers throughout the Middle-Ages and much of the Early Modern era than Abyssinia which was effectively called the "civilization without cities" during that time.

Peasantries and Elites without Urbanism: The Civilization of Ethiopia on JSTOR

Frederick C. Gamst, Peasantries and Elites without Urbanism: The Civilization of Ethiopia, Comparative Studies in Society and History, Vol. 12, No. 4 (Oct., 1970), pp. 373-392

www.jstor.org

They had pretty much no major towns or cities and the Solomonic Emperors, for much of their rule, travelled in a nomadic tent court that moved from province to province across their domains throughout the year, it wasn’t until Ahmed Gurey xooged them that they started to settle down

The Wandering Capitals of Ethiopia on JSTOR

Ronald J. Horvath, The Wandering Capitals of Ethiopia, The Journal of African History, Vol. 10, No. 2 (1969), pp. 205-219

www.jstor.org

It's ironic that people who were settled farmers were being ruled by an effectively "nomadic" Emperor whilst Somalis often did hole their Garaads/Amirs/Imams/Suldaans up in coastal towns and interior towns like Bardhere or Harar:

 

[attash]

The Sultan of Mogadishu was described as Black by ibn battuta.

“You don’t understand! The Sultan of Mogadishu was Bantu, that’s why! Somalis had nothing to do with any city in Somalia!”

 

[Khaem]

I can understand that you might not know too much history walaal but to say that we didn’t produce complex societies is false. I’ll use one of your examples, Abyssinia.

Somalis seriously had more towns/urban-centers throughout the Middle-Ages and much of the Early Modern era than Abyssinia which was effectively called the "civilization without cities" during that time.

Peasantries and Elites without Urbanism: The Civilization of Ethiopia on JSTOR

Frederick C. Gamst, Peasantries and Elites without Urbanism: The Civilization of Ethiopia, Comparative Studies in Society and History, Vol. 12, No. 4 (Oct., 1970), pp. 373-392

www.jstor.org

They had pretty much no major towns or cities and the Solomonic Emperors, for much of their rule, travelled in a nomadic tent court that moved from province to province across their domains throughout the year, it wasn’t until Ahmed Gurey xooged them that they started to settle down

The Wandering Capitals of Ethiopia on JSTOR

Ronald J. Horvath, The Wandering Capitals of Ethiopia, The Journal of African History, Vol. 10, No. 2 (1969), pp. 205-219

www.jstor.org

It's ironic that people who were settled farmers were being ruled by an effectively "nomadic" Emperor whilst Somalis often did hole their Garaads/Amirs/Imams/Suldaans up in coastal towns and interior towns like Bardhere or Harar:

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There were not nearly as many cities in the Highlands than in the Somali peninsula. I thought people knew this already but niggas gonna nigga.

Ethiopia was a feudal state, everyone lived on farms ruled by lords who answered to the emperor. The reason Ethiopia's borders changed so much is because whenever the emperor declared war his feudal lords would just say they aren't part of the empire anymore and after the war they would rejoin. There were no need for multiple and larger cities.

On the Somali peninsula farming was done but not everywhere due to it being arid in many parts. What we had was strategic location to the indian ocean for much of history was the richest trade in the world due to India. The way the peninsula's economy worked was that you would have Geelgires going to the city and selling their livestock and other goods to the merchants in the city who would then sell them to other nations/regions along the ocean such as Arabia which still happens today. But we also had foriengiers like Iranian and Indian merchants come to the city and intermarried with local Somali which is how we got people like @HabarSteven12

The trade to zelia port city which is where lots of goods left and came into abyssinnia was also somali.

In the south with cities like Mogadishu the trade was focused along this river system.

You can clearly see the major somali cities and others such as harar are based here. This is where trade and commerce between Geelgires and City dweller Somalis took place and the economy was based.



Sure abyssinnia was based on agriculture and fuedal lords which is why they had a single state. But they also weren't nearly as urbanised as the Somali peninsula. You put too much emphasis on farming as if Feudalism was the only way to get shit done.

 

[Khaem]

“You don’t understand! The Sultan of Mogadishu was Bantu, that’s why! Somalis had nothing to do with any city in Somalia!”

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Hes not talking about Bantu. The habash idiot is claiming the city was ruled by Persian arabs which is false. Ibn Battuta stated the city was ruled by black skinned people aka Somali. Not these foriengiers.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

There were not nearly as many cities in the Highlands than in the Somali peninsula. I thought people knew this already but niggas gonna nigga.

Ethiopia was a feudal state, everyone lived on farms ruled by lords who answered to the emperor. The reason Ethiopia's borders changed so much is because whenever the emperor declared war his feudal lords would just say they aren't part of the empire anymore and after the war they would rejoin. There were no need for multiple and larger cities.

On the Somali peninsula farming was done but not everywhere due to it being arid in many parts. What we had was strategic location to the indian ocean for much of history was the richest trade in the world due to India. The way the peninsula's economy worked was that you would have Geelgires going to the city and selling their livestock and other goods to the merchants in the city who would then sell them to other nations/regions along the ocean such as Arabia which still happens today. But we also had foriengiers like Iranian and Indian merchants come to the city and intermarried with local Somali which is how we got people like @HabarSteven12

The trade to zelia port city which is where lots of goods left and came into abyssinnia was also somali.

In the south with cities like Mogadishu the trade was focused along this river system. View attachment 289297
You can clearly see the major somali cities and others such as harar are based here. This is where trade and commerce between Geelgires and City dweller Somalis took place and the economy was based.



Sure abyssinnia was based on agriculture and fuedal lords which is why they had a single state. But they also weren't nearly as urbanised as the Somali peninsula. You put too much emphasis on farming as if Feudalism was the only way to get shit done.

I never realized that Harar & Kismayo are connected through the Shebelle and Erer rivers.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

“You don’t understand! The Sultan of Mogadishu was Bantu, that’s why! Somalis had nothing to do with any city in Somalia!”

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This nigga thinks Somalis rulling mogadishu or adal it's same as AA claiming Egypt.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

This nigga thinks Somalis rulling mogadishu or adal it's same as AA claiming Egypt.

God forbid a Somali ruling land in the Horn

 

[A Mean Guy]

Alx. There are some guys that know Somali history.
Imagine a raw meat eater like habarSteven trying to rewrite our history because we karbaashed their ancestors.
Some Somalis were city dwellers while others were primarily nomads but the one thing they all had in common was they were proficient in skinning xabashs.

Somalis ruled the horn in the past, and will continue to do so in the future. COPE HARDER!!

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Alx. There are some guys that know Somali history.
Imagine a raw meat eater like habarSteven trying to rewrite our history because we karbaashed their ancestors.
Some Somalis were city dwellers while others were primarily nomads but the one thing they all had in common was they were proficient in skinning xabashs.

Somalis ruled the horn in the past, and will continue to do so in the future. COPE HARDER!!

we destroyed their churches and killed their nobility. it really hurt their Ego Camel herders did that.

 

[Cartan Boos]

Bro we wuz kings and shit. We noble Macrobians ruled the world. We have a rich civilization and culture that dates back to centuries. We wuz trading with the romans and shit. Even the Greeks and Arabs wrote about how noble Somalis were. You ajanabi larpers are obsessed with us. You guys have no culture and history worth claiming. You guys were slaves while we wuz the land of Punt and shit. Amxaariod and bantu slaves are jealous of us noble Macrobians.

this was addis ababa few decades ago bunch of huts, keep coping raw eating dog

compared to mogadishu 1500s lol

 

[Khaem]

we destroyed their churches and killed their nobility. it really hurt their Ego Camel herders did that.

500 years like give it up bro.
Acting like greeks still crying over losing constantinople to the turks 500 years ago.

Orthodoxs are just victims.

 

[Shaafici Mujaahid]

I am not Ethiopian. It is fairly normal view though? Somalis are a pastoral people, it is normal for Somalis to not produce as complex socieities as Nubia/Sudan, Abysinnia, Egypt? This does not mean there is no history, it is better than the vast majority of SSA ethnicities, many of whom were straight up hunter gatherers.

Civilization is how you manage surpluses and the systems you build to maintain that. Somalis like most pastoral people's live in a desert so we didn't manage to produce a surplus but instead had to take it from others that did.

Unfortunately, the Oromo are sitting on the land groups like Somalis normally would have occupied, farmed and settled, but there is some successes like NFD. There is no shame in this btw, it's just how our geography shaped us.

Big dawg you ain’t fooling nobody but yourself. The first thing you did was compare it to Ethiopia and you do it again. You also said it’s not significant and now you are backtracking on how your subjectivity of that is Ethiopia. Shut up and leave this place.

 

[dekiteshim]

this was addis ababa few decades ago bunch of huts, keep coping raw eating dog
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compared to mogadishu 1500s lol
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Hmmm. It’s a bit dishonest to use Addis when the city was founded in the 19th Century. Gondar served as the capital of medieval Ethiopia and as such has the relevant architecture

 

[Cartan Boos]

Hmmm. It’s a bit dishonest to use Addis when the city was founded in the 19th Century. Gondar served as the capital of medieval Ethiopia and as such has the relevant architecture

gondor is still tiny compared merca let alone mogadishu or even gondershe the stone city, those cities had 5 storage buildings gondor had few castles and bunch of huts lol

 

[Khaem]

Hmmm. It’s a bit dishonest to use Addis when the city was founded in the 19th Century. Gondar served as the capital of medieval Ethiopia and as such has the relevant architecture

gondor is still tiny compared merca let alone mogadishu or even gondershe the stone city, those cities had 5 storage buildings gondor had few castles and bunch of huts lol

I agree that it's dishonest to use Addis when the main city was gondar. However as the other user said, even cuties like merca were bigger than it.

I already went into detail on why that is but it's cause basically all Abyssinians lived on a farm under a feudal lord. The Somali peninsula was de centralised and based on trade with the Geelgires & farmers in the hinterlands with the coastal city states such as Mogadishu, zelia, merka ect. Who were on the indian ocean trade which was the richest in the world.

 

[Haragwaafi]

It's well known in our oral tradition but the old generation who know it are dying out so we need to write down every poetry or events before the europeans set foot to our lands.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

To say Somalis have no history is to say they appeared out of nowhere. Somali history is the human history of migration, integration, civilization,. community and nation building. The roots of people in East Africa goes through Somali ancestry. Native to horn, Old Genetics, and history that is older than most nations in existence today is what Somalis have. First Muslims in East Africa dating prior to Arabs adopting Islam. Maritme trade that dates back to Ancient china, Kingdoms and nation-states that dotted the enire East African coasts, Somalis have history they can brag about unlike half arab half EV32 habashis and other minority nonsignificant east Africans, Somalis overshadow historically everyone in the horn. Somalis are true nobility to this day.

 

[Khaem]

To say Somalis have no history is to say they appeared out of nowhere. Somali history is the human history of migration, integration, civilization,. community and nation building. The roots of people in East Africa goes through Somali ancestry. Native to horn, Old Genetics, and history that is older than most nations in existence today is what Somalis have. First Muslims in East Africa dating prior to Arabs adopting Islam. Maritme trade that dates back to Ancient china, Kingdoms and nation-states that dotted the enire East African coasts, Somalis have history they can brag about unlike half arab half EV32 habashis and other minority nonsignificant east Africans, Somalis overshadow historically everyone in the horn. Somalis are true nobility to this day.

We already know the existence of ancient somali city states across the coastline that carried out much of the same trade that they have during the medieval and modern days. We just need peace to do proper archeology. What we know now is already far better than most of the continent. You just need to actually look for it on the internet, lots these diaspora kids don't hear anything about Somalia and assume there was nothing there. Idiots.