Investigating a genocide in Somaliland

[TabK]

Read that statement are "thought" to be carrying weapons.
Is not the same as are carrying weapons.

It is "beleived" that upto 50K.

This means they were allegations that were never proven.
Just supustitions by the locals.
The SNA has superior weapons and outnumbered the SNM.
Secondly the majority population of Isaaq had fled to Ethiopia and were in refugee camps in awbarre region.

Where are your sources?

If you do not have any you should sit on the sidelines.

 

[Karim]

All I am doing is schooling you on the retarded analogy you attempted to use.

You claimed Hargeisa + Burco had a population of 250k, a claimed you pulled out of your ass.

Turned out to be a complete fabrication, and Hargeisa alone had a population of 350,000.

The rest of your laughable comment is not worth responding to.

I'm not going to stoop into your silly repetitive argument over here considering how you're deflecting from the point of the thread which is the disputed number of deaths in those air bombardments.

The combined deaths of Tokyo and Dresden raids were 130k. But you're out here claiming that couple of artillery shells with support of old rag tag fighter planes caused more destruction and deaths.

You keep accusing everyone who responds to your idiotic comments with mental illness but YOU'RE THE HANDICAPPED SOUL if you actually believe the bullshit 200k deaths that you keep posting.

Don't quote me again Aabaha wase.

 

[Manafesto]

We need to stayaway from these types of threads because they serve no purpose. Case in point the the discussion after this post took a million different turns, that diverge from the original post. The OP had sinister, Shaydaan intentions though which is his MO. Reminds me of the saying of Cali RA when speaking of the Khawaarij ‘كلمة الحق يريد بهـا باطل'

True words, with the intention of evil. Not co-signing the silly premise that 200,000 Isaaq died, but you get my point.

I guess bringing a genocide and starting a discussion on the matter means I have a sinister agenda, the truth is your folks were responsible for this massacre and the folks that was effected by this tragedy will not forgetten.

Mr Aabo Kacaanist, it is what is sxb and Somalis need to know the truth and not repeat the same mistake and be aware of putting the remnants of the Kacaan like Farmaajo in charge of anything again.

 

[TabK]

I'm not going to stoop into your silly repetitive argument over here considering how you're deflecting from the point of the thread which is the disputed number of deaths in those air bombardments.

The combined deaths of Tokyo and Dresden raids were 130k. But you're out here claiming that couple of artillery shells with support of old rag tag fighter planes caused more destruction and deaths.

You keep accusing everyone who responds to your idiotic comments with suffering from mental illness but YOU'RE THE HANDICAPPED SOUL if you actually believe the bullshit 200k deaths that you keep posting.

Don't quote me again Aabaha wase.

Again, where is your sources for Hargeisa + Burco having a population of 250k?

Until you bring sources supporting your laughable claims, no one is taking the garbage you post seriously.

 

[Wir]

3 pages and not one source provided by the Kacaan orphans

 

[manosi789]

sad sad thing barre did , but we have to move on no need to cry about the past we are not different peoples......

 

[manosi789]

200k is alot tho it makes no logical sense

 

[Gadhwayne]

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The issue of armed/unarmed OG refugees vs their Isaaq hosts should not be used to minimize or derail a duscussion of the IsaaqGenocide by suggesting its not a genocide because deaths did not exceed 200 k or some of the dead were OG if anything we should blame Afweyne for all the deaths that came from turning OG refugees and Isaaq hosts against each other

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

AUN to those innocent civilians who died at the orders of the dictator and his generals, and AUN to the innocent people who died at the hand of the SNM, but lets not compare the two it is unfair to both victims, the crimes of a clan Isaaq is not comparable to the crimes of an entire state killing its own people.

 

[convincation]

In 1980, the population of WG was was 654,990, the largest region in the entire Somali Republic, constituting 13% of the population. For comparison, Nugaal (Nugaal + Sool) made up 2.2% and a population of 97,184, whilst Bari was 4.4% and 194,368. The entire region known as Puntland today made up around 5% of the population, and ironically had less than the fake 250k population figure you made up for Hargeisa and Burco.

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Hargeisa's population alone was 350,000 at the time:

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The 200,000 is an underestimate. Ignoring those who were killed in government bombings or Somali army shelling, plenty of elders, women and children died on the long march to the Ethiopian borders. Plenty more died in camps.

To put the figure in perspective, the genocide caused the fastest and largest forced movement of people recorded in African history.

Even by the Somali government's own estimates, 26,000 buildings were either razed completely or heavily damaged:

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When you bomb and destroy 26,000 buildings (the government's own conservative figure downplaying the damage), 200,000 deaths look like a huge underestimate.

How can somalia go from a population of 23 million in 1980 to a population of 15 million in 2018 considering that Somalia also has the worlds 4th highest fertility rate....it don’t add up

 

[convincation]

I say we talk about the hawiye genocide in beledweyne

 

[Moesie1999!]

How can somalia go from a population of 23 million in 1980 to a population of 15 million in 2018 considering that Somalia also has the worlds 4th highest fertility rate....it don’t add up

There where only 5 million somalis in 1980
Now in 2020 somalis are 31 million

 

[convincation]

There where only 5 million somalis in 1980
Now in 2020 somalis are 31 million

If you look at the census the guy just sent of the 1980 population breakdown by region in Somalia and add it together it reaches 23 million that’s why I said it doesn’t add up

 

[Wir]

If you look at the census the guy just sent of the 1980 population breakdown by region in Somalia and add it together it reaches 23 million that’s why I said it doesn’t add up

You're struggling with simple addition mate

 

[convincation]

You're struggling with simple addition mate

Your right I counted it again how tf did I get to 23 million the first time

 

[Distant1]

I don't understand the point of blaming a qabil for the atrocity when only a single dictator is responsible.

 

[Wir]

I don't understand the point of blaming a qabil for the atrocity when only a single dictator is responsible.

Somalis are a tribal society and Siad Barre armed entire darood sub clans to carry out crimes against humanity(source on page 1). Theres no need to deny history to pander to peoples feelings. Fortunately for Isaaq, We defeated the government of Somalia and the armed sub clans. Now the same offsprings and beneficiaries of the Kacaan Regime are all over threads like this distorting recorded published history based on their tribally motivated opinions. That proves itself that not one Dictator is solely responsible.


Its Page 3, and no published sources by the kacaan orphans for their opinions, because non exist. "I beleive" and "I think" are their most authoratative sources

 

[manosi789]

Somalis are a tribal society and Siad Barre armed entire darood sub clans to carry out crimes against humanity(source on page 1). Theres no need to deny history to pander to peoples feelings. Fortunately for Isaaq, We defeated the government of Somalia and the armed sub clans. Now the same offsprings and beneficiaries of the Kacaan Regime are all over threads like this distorting recorded published history based on their tribally motivated opinions. That proves itself that not one Dictator is solely responsible.


Its Page 3, and no published sources by the kacaan orphans for their opinions, because non exist. "I beleive" and "I think" are their most authoratative sources

youre right somalis are triabl in nature, ive seen daroods say isaaqs should have been wiped out and i have also seen isaaqs say something similar - it never ends not even a dictator can end it.