Insider reveals how AS tortures foreign fighters (including diaspora somalis)

[SomaliSON1977]

There's a big difference between unintentionally killing civilians who are caught in the crossfire and targeting civilians (leveling an entire city with women, elderly, children..) as collective punishment. Very huge jump.

Which scholar's ijtihad are you following who permitted this?

Alshabaab indiscriminately kill Civilians in Mogadishu, Kids women, old and Young

If Civilians want to Live with Alshabaab then they should know the pain as well, and distance themselves

If your Husband and Sons are alshabaab then you should remove yourself and go far away or risk being targeted

Somalia is too Soft, Jilib Tax Center, and Training Camps should of been hit with Drones, but Somalia begs Americans and Turkish for Drone Strikes

We will make them inshallah and bring Pain to Alshabaab,

 

[Journey.]

Alshabaab indiscriminately kill Civilians in Mogadishu, Kids women, old and Young

Yes, which is why I said you are adopting their tactics/methodology. They don't care for civilian life and believe in guilt by association/proximity. Why is it blameworthy when they do it but acceptable for you?

If Civilians want to Live with Alshabaab then they should know the pain as well, and distance themselves

If your Husband and Sons are alshabaab then you should remove yourself and go far away or risk being targeted

Things aren't always so simple. Staying in your city thats been captured by AS doesn't automatically mean you support/endorse them. Do you also think AS will just let people escape to other towns/cities outside of their jurisdiction that they openly preach are apostate territory and whose inhabitants' blood are halal?

Somalia is too Soft, Jilib Tax Center, and Training Camps should of been hit with Drones, but Somalia begs Americans and Turkish for Drone Strikes

We will make them inshallah and bring Pain to Alshabaab,

You and the other poster are coming from an emotional/reckless angle and forgetting that warfare has rules and conditions that need to be followed. If living among the enemy is cause enough to be targeted and killed, then why did Allah prevent a battle from taking place in Makkah between Quraysh and the Muslims on account of the Muslims who were living there and hadn't migrated to Madinah?

Surah Al-Fath, ayah 25:

"...If it had not been for the believing men and believing women (who lived in Makkah and) whom you did not know, and had there not been the fear that you might trample on them and unwittingly incur blame on their account, (then fighting would not have been put to a stop. It was stopped so that) Allah may admit to His Mercy whomsoever He pleases. Had those believers been separated from the rest, We would certainly have inflicted a grievous chastise-ment on those of them [i.e. the Makkans) who disbelieved."

If Makkah had been conquered at this stage it would have led to a lot of bloodshed and resulted in the deaths of many Muslims living in Makkah whose Islam was not known/apparent. Instead Allah delayed the conquest out of His wisdom until the Muslims grew stronger and were able to conquer Makkah without bloodshed.

The reckless killing and lack of regard for human life, especially that of Muslims, that you're proposing is something that the Khawarij are notorious for. They have their own 'scholars' who justify and pass fatawah on using such tactics based on their ijtihad that mainstream scholars do not agree with, so how can you combat them and their ideology when you are adopting their views and validating their ijtihad?

 

[livinlavish]

Unlike GAZA, you open roads for citizens and ALshabaab fighters who give up to use

Anyone who stays behind is Fighter and will be treated as SUCH

Somalia needs the Sri Lanka Plan to Wipe out Alshabaab Once and For All.

Do you honestly believe AS would allow civilians to leave Jilib safely? They will almost certainly use them as human shields. That’s why a ground invasion is necessary to minimize civilian casualties

Alshabaab indiscriminately kill Civilians in Mogadishu, Kids women, old and Young

If Civilians want to Live with Alshabaab then they should know the pain as well, and distance themselves

If your Husband and Sons are alshabaab then you should remove yourself and go far away or risk being targeted

Somalia is too Soft, Jilib Tax Center, and Training Camps should of been hit with Drones, but Somalia begs Americans and Turkish for Drone Strikes

We will make them inshallah and bring Pain to Alshabaab,

Sxb the thing is we ain’t AS. Just because they kill civilians indiscriminately doesn’t mean we should stoop to their level. If we do then we are no better than the khawarijs.

I agree though we should hit their training camps and anything else that gives them military strength with drones but not go around bombing indiscriminately.

 

[Espaa_]

Do you honestly believe AS would allow civilians to leave Jilib safely? They will almost certainly use them as human shields. That’s why a ground invasion is necessary to minimize civilian casualties


Sxb the thing is we ain’t AS. Just because they kill civilians indiscriminately doesn’t mean we should stoop to their level. If we do then we are no better than the khawarijs.

I agree though we should hit their training camps and anything else that gives them military strength with drones but not go around bombing indiscriminately.

AS should be bombed indiscriminately. Walaal the FGS is corrupted and AS are a terrorist group who have no regard for somali life. In return for october in which hundreds of somalis were killed, AS should be fucked up and killed. Blood should be spilt and flowing through the streets for every single somali life they have taken.

ones captured should be shot in the head effective immediately.

 

[SomaliSON1977]

AS should be bombed indiscriminately. Walaal the FGS is corrupted and AS are a terrorist group who have no regard for somali life. In return for october in which hundreds of somalis were killed, AS should be fucked up and killed. Blood should be spilt and flowing through the streets for every single somali life they have taken.

ones captured should be shot in the head effective immediately.

The 14 October 2017 Mogadishu bombings was heartbreaking, People were picking up body parts for over a 1 week, women children men elderly, at night while rescue workers were still working mobile phones of the dead was ringing through out the whole night, peoples loved ones looking for them. Over 2000 Dead, 1500 injured

Did Alshabaab Care? did they show any sympathy

Everyday the security forces catch them and bring them before the Military's Courts, All of them should be killed


In that video if you fast forward to 25:00 you see the alshabaab guy run towards civilians and blew himself up, women kids people who just came out the masajid was that the actions of a Muslims?

Wallahi Somalia Federal Government are to Soft, Alshabaab leaders Houses should of been hit in response to any attack.

 

[SomaliSON1977]

Do you honestly believe AS would allow civilians to leave Jilib safely? They will almost certainly use them as human shields. That’s why a ground invasion is necessary to minimize civilian casualties


Sxb the thing is we ain’t AS. Just because they kill civilians indiscriminately doesn’t mean we should stoop to their level. If we do then we are no better than the khawarijs.

I agree though we should hit their training camps and anything else that gives them military strength with drones but not go around bombing indiscriminately.

I agree as well, Only their Training Camps, Tax Centers, Military Weapons Storages, and their Leaders should be targeted.

 

[livinlavish]

AS should be bombed indiscriminately. Walaal the FGS is corrupted and AS are a terrorist group who have no regard for somali life. In return for october in which hundreds of somalis were killed, AS should be fucked up and killed. Blood should be spilt and flowing through the streets for every single somali life they have taken.

ones captured should be shot in the head effective immediately.

If we bomb Jilib indiscriminately today and kill thousands of innocent children and elders wallahi we would be no different from them. If a child in Jilib lost his hooyo to an airstrike carried out by the FGS can you really blame him if he joins AS? Similarly if a child in Xamar lost his hooyo to an AS suicide bomber can you blame him for resenting AS?

AS wants the government to indiscriminately bomb their territories so they can recruit more impressionable young people and say “look this is how they are killing our families and destroying our homes.” We should not stoop to their level walaal it will only make them spiritually stronger and create more AS sympathisers.

I have lost family and friends to AS attacks. A relative of mine was killed in the villa rose attack. My close neighbour died in the hayat hotel bombing as he was driving his bajaj. My cousin had a close call during the liido beach attack last year, alhamdulliah he left an hour before it happened.

I know how you feel but I don’t want an innocent child to experience the pain I’ve felt just because he happened to be born in Jilib. There are far more ethical ways to defeat AS than recklessly bombing entire towns.

 

[Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid]

Somalia deserves Al-Shabaab. A group of retards that have terrorized the nation for damn near 20 years and you have stupid Sjws concerned about collateral damage. If one is married to a member of the Al-Shabaab then by association they are al shabaab. If a clan find themselves in the confines of Al-shabaab territory and aids them with men, intelligence, and or material support then they are Al-Shaabab. In Islam a man becomes a man when he hits puberty which is usually at 13 but could be as young as 12/11, or when he hits the age of 15. Since were applying islamic principles then all these children will and should be considered potential combatants, they need to be rounded up and dealt with(locked up or otherwise). I studied the history of the Sinhalese in Sri Lanka, they faced one of the most formidable armed insurgencies that puts al-shabaab to shame, through mobilization and ultra-violence the tamil tigers no longer exist and all. They made so that the tamils felt more pain harboring the tigers, in the end the tamil people rejected the insurgency. Alshabaab isn’t a foreign conspiracy it thrives because certain people support it. Cut that support and you win.

 

[Espaa_]

Somalia deserves Al-Shabaab. A group of retards that have terrorized the nation for damn near 20 years and you have stupid Sjws concerned about collateral damage. If one is married to a member of the Al-Shabaab then by association they are al shabaab. If a clan find themselves in the confines of Al-shabaab territory and aids them with men, intelligence, and or material support then they are Al-Shaabab. In Islam a man becomes a man when he hits puberty which is usually at 13 but could be as young as 12/11, or when he hits the age of 15. Since were applying islamic principles then all these children will and should be considered potential combatants, they need to be rounded up and dealt with(locked up or otherwise). I studied the history of the Sinhalese in Sri Lanka, they faced one of the most formidable armed insurgencies that puts al-shabaab to shame, through mobilization and ultra-violence the tamil tigers no longer exist and all. They made so that the tamils felt more pain harboring the tigers, in the end the tamil people rejected the insurgency. Alshabaab isn’t a foreign conspiracy it thrives because certain people support it. Cut that support and you win.

Firstly, somalia doesnt deserve AS. They kill and kill and kill they never get tired of killing. Look at the October massacre in which thousands of innocent civilians died. Kids are kids until 18. What a fucked up thing to say

 

[Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid]

Firstly, somalia doesnt deserve AS. They kill and kill and kill they never get tired of killing. Look at the October massacre in which thousands of innocent civilians died. Kids are kids until 18. What a fucked up thing to say

Don’t quote the hadith and the quran if you don’t intend to follow it whole heartedly. Kid is an arbitrary term, Kids become men when they hit puberty or are of 15 years of age in Islam. Men are combatants, if you killed my hypothetical al-shabaab father why wouldn’t i join up to kill you and yours, are you stupid?

Case in point on why we deserve Al-Shabaab. No one wants to make the hard choices, they’re still thinking about winning hearts and minds like that ever worked.

 

[World]

There's a big difference between unintentionally killing civilians who are caught in the crossfire and targeting civilians (leveling an entire city with women, elderly, children..) as collective punishment. Very huge jump.

Which scholar's ijtihad are you following who permitted this

Where in my post did I call for collective punishment? You made that up. Collective punishment is inherently disproportionate and unnecessary, whereas modern counterinsurgency targets combatants and military objectives, accepting the risk and harm to civilians unavoidably present. Collective punishment explicitly targets civilians as the objective without any gain. Without using modern counterinsurgency tactics, it is impossible to defeat a guerilla force deeply embedded into civilian populations. There's no point fighting if you don't want to win, it's a waste of soldiers life. If the enemy was Ethiopia instead of Arsenal who controlled Somali territory, for many the obligation of liberating territory would be of much more importance and defeating them would take utmost priority.

 

[Journey.]

Where in my post did I call for collective punishment? You made that up. Collective punishment is inherently disproportionate and unnecessary,

That's exactly what destroying/levelling a town full of civilians is.

whereas modern counterinsurgency targets combatants and military objectives,

This isn't what you said earlier. Targeted strikes are different to indiscriminate bombings that result in total destruction and high casualties. You wanted all of Jilib destroyed and said we should be ruthless and show no mercy.

accepting the risk and harm to civilians unavoidably present. Collective punishment explicitly targets civilians as the objective without any gain. Without using modern counterinsurgency tactics, it is impossible to defeat a guerilla force deeply embedded into civilian populations. There's no point fighting if you don't want to win, it's a waste of soldiers life.

What are the tactics you're proposing? Is it gathering intelligence, blocking supplies, targeted strikes of military bases and hideouts, or is it wiping out entire towns and villages they take control of?

 

[World]

That's exactly what destroying/levelling a town full of civilians is.


This isn't what you said earlier. Targeted strikes are different to indiscriminate bombings that result in total destruction and high casualties. You wanted all of Jilib destroyed and said we should be ruthless and show no mercy.



What are the tactics you're proposing? Is it gathering intelligence, blocking supplies, targeted strikes of military bases and hideouts, or is it wiping out entire towns and villages they take control of?

Why are you trying to convince me? I am not gonna suddenly change my mind and believe that Al Shabab should be free to have their own operational command centre in Jilib and host public training camps, a financial and taxation center, logistics and bomb making hub, weapons depots etc. A basic principle of counterinsurgency is to deny your enemy a safe haven, not give them the freedom to have their own capital. Jilib should have been destroyed years ago. Seems like in your eyes everyone is a civilian, unfortunately that is not the case. Whenever a town is liberated from Al Shabab, they all leave and make hijrah as its now darul kufr in their eyes. Jilib is not a town full of civilians after 15 years of propaganda, but i still have never advocated for mass airstrikes on homes or marketplaces(unless it is after Isha, as only a terrorist would be breaking the curfew).

 

[Journey.]

Jilib is not a town full of civilians after 15 years of propaganda

This explains why you're advocating for destroying the town and are indifferent towards the resulting high loss of life. They're all, or mostly all, combatants in your eyes - there's no distinction between AS members and the local inhabitants.

A basic principle of counterinsurgency is to deny your enemy a safe haven, not give them the freedom to have their own capital. Jilib should have been destroyed years ago.

You're not a military strategist, and you're also a layman yourself. You failed to provide any scholars who made ijtihad on this issue backing your stance. Instead, your lack of concern for human life (even questioning whether locals can be considered 'civilians') contravenes Islamic principles of warfare.

Why are you trying to convince me?

You hold very dangerous and problematic views on how to counter AS and it's important to push back on that, especially on a public forum.

 

[World]

This explains why you're advocating for destroying the town and are indifferent towards the resulting high loss of life. They're all, or mostly all, combatants in your eyes - there's no distinction between AS members and the local inhabitants.



You're not a military strategist, and you're also a layman yourself. You failed to provide any scholars who made ijtihad on this issue backing your stance. Instead, your lack of concern for human life (even questioning whether locals can be considered 'civilians') contravenes Islamic principles of warfare.



You hold very dangerous and problematic views on how to counter AS and it's important to push back on that, especially on a public forum.

Al Kebab cheerleaders always cry whenever air strikes are advocated, they want the status quo maintained and think we are dumb enough to fall for their propaganda about morality. Can’t wait for Jilib to be turned into ashes. Notice how he didn’t reply back to the part where I said Jilib is their operational command centre where they host public training camps, a financial and taxation center, logistics and bomb making hub, weapons depots.

 

[Journey.]

Al Kebab cheerleaders always cry whenever air strikes are advocated, they want the status quo maintained and think we are dumb enough to fall for their propaganda about morality. Can’t wait for Jilib to be turned into ashes. Notice how he didn’t reply back to the part where I said Jilib is their operational command centre where they host public training camps, a financial and taxation center, logistics and bomb making hub, weapons depots.

You haven't responded to anything I said but are now instead slandering me. There isn't much difference between you and AS, you both have the same disregard for human life and are willing to carry out massacres to achieve your objectives. We've unfortunately seen this before in Somalia (bombing towns and cities harbouring rebels) and it's the very thing that has led to the fractured country we've inherited.

 

[Burqad]

Somalia needs a leader like Godane to defeat Al Shabab ngl, you have to acknowledge that he knows how power works.

Jilib would have been destroyed years ago, their children wouldnt ever sleep in peace from the amount of airstrikes that would have raining down on them every night.

Ruthlessness and no mercy is how you achieve success.

Theres no way he is a real Islamist/jihadist, just an extremely competent dictator pretending to be one. Thats why hes too extreme for even osama bin ladin and al qaeda, they would look like moderates in somalia.

That’s stupid. Why would you want to be like a loser?