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Lol, a "rag tag" SNM of less than 3000 took apart the most powerful Army Somalia ever had and ever will have. Since then Somaliland has built easily the most powerful Somali army currently on Somali soil. Bring on the pathetic excuse you call your SNA, that has been Al Shabaab's b**ch for 20 years.

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1. SNA in 1988 was weak and fractured so how was it our best ever army

2. Also how has the SNA been al Shabaab's for 20 years :what: the creation of Somaliland keep running away from our fearless army! Tell them to stop hiding in the bushes and killing innocent people.

3. Somalianland army is more unprofessional than ours and yours are trained by nothing but hatred kkkk
 
1. SNA in 1988 was weak and fractured so how was it our best ever army

2. Also how has the SNA been al Shabaab's ***** for 20 years :what: the creation of Somaliland keep running away from our fearless army! Tell them to stop hiding in the bushes and killing innocent people.

3. Somalianland army is more unprofessional than ours and yours are trained by nothing but hatred kkkk
Well, if we're just makin shit up, Rihanna is my side chick! :manny:
 

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Min Al-Nahr ila Al-Ba7r
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If this is as independent as Somaliland will ever become, then it is still better than any horrible union with Somalia. You southerners have this silly notion in your head that we are only holding onto our independence as a means to get recognition. Independence IS our goal, recognition would be a huge bonus. There is a very famous video of Somaliland's first Vice-President, Mujaahid Xassan Ciise Jaamac, walking through a completely destroyed Hargeisa , as part of a documentary in 1992. He is asked by the journalist if the world knows that Somaliland exists. As he walks around completely unprotected and joking with the local population, he tells the journalist that we are not too concerned with what the world thinks - we have our own government, our freedom and our people can go about their lives not worrying about that going anywhere, or a return to our formal situation.
Our stance has been one and the same from 18th May 1991.

Recognition would be huge for Somaliland, but it is not the be all and end all. That is our freedom and our ability to govern ourselves. No-one will take that away from us. A de-facto, independent status for the rest of time would be more preferable to Somaliland than any proposed re-union with Somalia.

I have never stated that Somaliland's objective is recognition, what I said is the current situation will be detrimental to both groups of people in the future.

No matter how you huff and puff, and beg to the international community, they will never sanction any action taken against a democratic, peaceful and successful government like that of Somaliland. They would certainly never back you in a war to reclaim Somaliland.

No one is actively seeking war against Somaliland or would want to. The entire point of my post was that a stable Somalia could take the upper hand without firing a bullet. However, if it had to fire a bullet, it would be self-defence.

Furthermore, I cited neo-realist International Relations theory, which is utilised by most Western states regarding their security. My point was that from their rule book, Somaliland is the aggressor.


You speak too much about hypotheticals and pipedreams. I like to deal in reality. In reality for a longtime now, Somaliland has had extremely good control over its sea. It does not allow any unauthorized fishing, and other then the odd small time Yemeni fisherman, no foreign agents have been able to fish our sea like they have basically raped Somalia's seas now for decades. It goes without saying that piracy has never been an issue in the see off the Somaliland coast. I mention this only to reiterate, that just like the rest of Somaliland's territory, if Somalia ever wants to think about trying to claim Somaliland's sea, it'll have to do so by force.

You have to realise there is a difference between illicit foreign fishers and the internationally recognised legitimate owner of said waters.

That is the reality. Everyone in the world agrees that Somalia owns those waters and SL does not.

I am not trying to be rude or offend you by any means but if Somalia decided all the sea water surrounding SL will be dyed yellow today, it is their legal prerogative. That is the reality.


Complete and utter arsewater of the highest kind. No-one in the IC will sanction any war by Somalia against a peaceful, democratic and successful government in Somaliland. Keep dreaming.

Probably not be supported at all but it is still self-defence if it ever came to it. I hope it does not.

Long story short, Somaliland's current situation will not last forever, either Somalia will capitulate to secession via ictiraaf or it will be reconciled with Somalia. The IC will never allow a pseudo-state within a stable nation's borders.

Now it is for Somaliland to decide which one is the more likely option of the two and what will it take for it to happen.
 

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Min Al-Nahr ila Al-Ba7r
VIP
I dont even understand why you want reparations or care. Everybody in this thread knows in which pocket the reparations money will end. Cough cough somali politicians. And if somalia eventually gets reparations they should tell the colonisers to not give it to the somali politicians but invest it in roads and buildings. Otherwise the money will be gone :sass1:

That is the whole point?

Did you not read bro.

The Italians managed the funds of their reparations package with full transparency. Libya just told them where to spend it.
 
I have never stated that Somaliland's objective is recognition, what I said is the current situation will be detrimental to both groups of people in the future.



No one is actively seeking war against Somaliland or would want to. The entire point of my post was that a stable Somalia could take the upper hand without firing a bullet. However, if it had to fire a bullet, it would be self-defence.

Furthermore, I cited neo-realist International Relations theory, which is utilised by most Western states regarding their security. My point was that from their rule book, Somaliland is the aggressor.




You have to realise there is a difference between illicit foreign fishers and the internationally recognised legitimate owner of said waters.

That is the reality. Everyone in the world agrees that Somalia owns those waters and SL does not.

I am not trying to be rude or offend you by any means but if Somalia decided all the sea water surrounding SL will be dyed yellow today, it is their legal prerogative. That is the reality.




Probably not be supported at all but it is still self-defence if it ever came to it. I hope it does not.

Long story short, Somaliland's current situation will not last forever, either Somalia will capitulate to secession via ictiraaf or it will be reconciled with Somalia. The IC will never allow a pseudo-state within a stable nation's borders.

Now it is for Somaliland to decide which one is the more likely option of the two and what will it take for it to happen.
I can't believe the deluded nonsense you convince yourself of. No-one would consider it self-defence for Somalia to attack Somaliland at this point. If it did so in 1991, I could see how it could be interpreted that by way some international actors. But not after 30 years of Somaliland functioning as an independent beacon of light in the otherwise terrorist-ridden shit show that is the Somali peninsula.

No-one is going to sanction any kind of actions against a de-facto independent country that's been peaceful, democratic and successful for 30 years, regardless of what the prevailing current political theory may be.

As much as Somaliland may not get recognition with Somalia's acceptance, Somaliland will never be forced to reunite with Somalia unless it chooses to do so. And that will never happen.
 

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Min Al-Nahr ila Al-Ba7r
VIP
I can't believe the deluded nonsense you convince yourself of. No-one would consider it self-defence for Somalia to attack Somaliland at this point. If it did so in 1991, I could see how it could be interpreted that by way some international actors. But not after 30 years of Somaliland functioning as an independent beacon of light in the otherwise terrorist-ridden shit show that is the Somali peninsula.

No-one is going to sanction any kind of actions against a de-facto independent country that's been peaceful, democratic and successful for 30 years, regardless of what the prevailing current political theory may be.

As much as Somaliland may not get recognition with Somalia's acceptance, Somaliland will never be forced to reunite with Somalia unless it chooses to do so. And that will never happen.

Mate, I am telling you this:

Somaliland has two choices in the future, force Somalia for ictiraaf or become an active part of Somalia.

There is no middle ground. The status quo is only tolerated because of Somalia's chaos. Prevailing opinion is that in the future Somalia and Somaliland will negotiate their future as equal partners.

This is not delusion, this is how governance works sxb. I have said on numerous occasions that I sympathise with SL but the status quo cannot work.
 
Mate, I am telling you this:

Somaliland has two choices in the future, force Somalia for ictiraaf or become an active part of Somalia.

There is no middle ground. The status quo is only tolerated because of Somalia's chaos. Prevailing opinion is that in the future Somalia and Somaliland will negotiate their future as equal partners.

This is not delusion, this is how governance works sxb. I have said on numerous occasions that I sympathise with SL but the status quo cannot work.

Here is what I can tell you: the people of Somaliland will never again be ruled by any Somalia government in any way shape or form. You can take to that to the bank.
 

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Min Al-Nahr ila Al-Ba7r
VIP
Here is what I can tell you: the people of Somaliland will never again be ruled by any Somalia government in any way shape or form. You can take to that to the bank.

That is well and good, Somaliland has the right to never be part of Somalia again.

However, that does not negate my point which I will repeat. Somaliland has two choices in the future, force Somalia for ictiraaf or become an active part of Somalia.
 

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Min Al-Nahr ila Al-Ba7r
VIP
As part of the reparations deal with Italy, I request that the Euros trophy be transferred to Somalia for at least 1 year out of the 3 until the next Euros.

:fittytousand:
 

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