If Somalia got reparations?

[Periplus]

I am of the sincere belief that Hawiye should not receive reparations for several reasons:

1. USC was founded before Barre started a concerted campaign against Hawiye.

2. Hawiye were given leadership of Somalia from 1991 without major contest

3. Hawiye have already got their pay back both monetary and militarily during the civil war.

4. They were very well represented in the SRC and XHKS until the late 1980's. The "Abahaa Kacaan" Salaad Gabeyre was Hawiye. Aideed was a government official until 1987.


On the other hand, If Rwanda did not hand out reparations then there is no need for a Somali state to do so for anybody. Reer SL deserve an apology as well as Reer Nth Mudug as they were not only targeted by Barre but also the Ethiopians.

However, if Somalia has a reconciliation commission that investigates the war crimes then I will happily accept whatever form of justice they choose.

 

[Periplus]

Why should the shacab have to cough up for Afweyne?

Because the crimes were done in the name of the shacabka. Also, if Somalis realise there is a steep monetary price for dagaal, they will never consider it again.

 

[Sloane Ranger]

Cuz it was the govt that should have represented everyone that targeted one of its people and whatever administration is in xamar owes a lot for SL people

That administrator has been gone for 3 decades. The current one and its inhabitants owe nothing to anyone. You're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Gantaal97]

That administrator has been gone for 3 decades. The current one and its inhabitants owe nothing to anyone. You're barking up the wrong tree.

lol nope the current administration is legally the successor to that regime why do you think Germany after the fall of nazi regime paid reparations to the victims of nazi war and persecution ??

 

[Periplus]

That administrator has been gone for 3 decades. The current one and its inhabitants owe nothing to anyone. You're barking up the wrong tree.

I think what would be fitting for Somaliland would be for a future Somali government to build a war memorial, museum as well as a peace and conflict studies institute in Hargeisa.

Despite SL being more developed now than it was pre-1991, the Somali people should build institutions to remind us never again.

Puntland should also receive a museum and memorial in Galkacyo about the horrors of Barre's massacres and the Ethiopian occupation in the 1980s.

 

[Periplus]

lol nope the current administration is legally the successor to that regime why do you think Germany after the fall of nazi regime paid reparations to the victims of nazi war and persecution ??

Germany did not pay money though. Their victims did not recieve any reparations. They just got their machinery confiscated and their factories dismantled/destroyed.

The point of that was not atonement or justice, but rather making sure they were not able to have a strong military industrial complex.

 

[Sloane Ranger]

lol nope the current administration is legally the successor to that regime why do you think Germany after the fall of nazi regime paid reparations to the victims of nazi war and persecution ??

Nazi war criminals were also put on trial unlike Somalia. You're being too simple minded with your comparisons.

 

[codewebsduh]

lol nope the current administration is legally the successor to that regime why do you think Germany after the fall of nazi regime paid reparations to the victims of nazi war and persecution ??

Somalia should only pay reparations to Isaaqs attacked.

 

[Gantaal97]

Nazi war criminals were also put on trial unlike Somalia. You're being too simple minded with your comparisons.

So you agree we should put on trial to former kacaan officials ??

 

[Gantaal97]

Somalia should only pay reparations to Isaaqs attacked.

Yeah most of them were attacked

 

[Sloane Ranger]

I think what would be fitting for Somaliland would be for a future Somali government to build a war memorial, museum as well as a peace and conflict studies institute in Hargeisa.

Despite SL being more developed now than it was pre-1991, the Somali people should build institutions to remind us never again.

Puntland should also receive a museum and memorial in Galkacyo about the horrors of Barre's massacres and the Ethiopian occupation in the 1980s.

SL already built a war memorial. All the other things are besides the point. Every city/ town should be investigated for war crimes and documented. It'd be unfair to the rest of the victims and survivors if they're not commemorated.

Regards, its silly to excpect Xamar to foot the bill. We all know it'll never happen so it's best to focus on something more realistic.

 

[Periplus]

Nazi war criminals were also put on trial unlike Somalia. You're being too simple minded with your comparisons.

It goes without saying that no monetary or symbolic justice can occur without an investigation.

Kacaan, USC, SSDF, SNM and any other combatant in the civil war will be investigated in order to get all the facts. We cannot only put the Kacaan to trial as that will defeat the purpose of truth-seeking. By putting everyone on the stand, we will get a much clearer picture of the Kacaan's last few years.

It also goes without saying, this is only for post-1987 actions. There should also be another investigation into the Kacaan's actions before people started revolting in Somalia.

 

[Sloane Ranger]

So you agree we should put on trial to former kacaan officials ??

It'll never happen but I'd support it if it did.

 

[Periplus]

SL already built a war memorial. All the other things are besides the point. Every city/ town should be investigated for war crimes and documented. It'd be unfair to the rest of the victims and survivors if they're not commemorated.

Everyone should be investigated but we cannot compare the suffering of Marexaan or Hawiye to that of Isaaq or Majeerteen.

Regards, its silly to accept Xamar to foot the bill. We all know it'll never happen so it's best to focus on something more realistic.

I am saying in a future stable Somali government, this idea should be looked at.

Problem is that by then, most Kacaan officials will be dead.

 

[Periplus]

So you agree we should put on trial to former kacaan officials ??

I do not think any reasonable Somali person would disagree.

Even if someone supported the Kacaan, wouldn't they want their heroes to be acquitted in a court of law?

Also, every Somali regardless of opinion towards Barre, would appreciate answers.

 

[Sloane Ranger]

It goes without saying that no monetary or symbolic justice can occur without an investigation.

Kacaan, USC, SSDF, SNM and any other combatant in the civil war will be investigated in order to get all the facts. We cannot only put the Kacaan to trial as that will defeat the purpose of truth-seeking. By putting everyone on the stand, we will get a much clearer picture of the Kacaan's last few years.

It also goes without saying, this is only for post-1987 actions. There should also be another investigation into the Kacaan's actions before people started revolting in Somalia.

Those rebel groups were formed as a response to the crackdowns by the Kacaan regime.

 

[Abu Hesi]

Gotta get on that ayuuto, I'm from a family of kacaan officials, meeqa ayaa la iga rabaa aniga?

 

[Periplus]

Those rebel groups were formed as a response to the crackdowns by the Kacaan regime.

Everyone should be put on the stand and be asked why they did what they did.

This allows for a public record about important historical events in Somali history, allowing everyone in the country to be on the same page. By putting anti-Kacaan organisations (even the SSDF of the 1970s), we can not only ascertain accurate measurements of casualties but also uncover many unreported incidents.

Furthermore, just because an organisation had a morally correct aim means they are completely innocent. USC were founded with respectable aims but murdered thousands. The people should know why they did that.

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

The Somaliweyn/Somalia crowd that are open to reparations for Somaliland, are those that think they can 'buy' Somaliland back into a union. Keep your reparations, Somaliland will be independent forever.

 

[Periplus]

The Somaliweyn/Somalia crowd that are open to reparations for Somaliland, are those that think they can 'buy' Somaliland back into a union. Keep your reparations, Somaliland will be independent forever.

Somaliland should not be bribed back any means.

A future deal with Somaliland should involve political concessions and constitutional guarantees. Preferably an internationally observed treaty that grants Somaliland essentially whatever reasonable demand they want.

As the most established region in Somalia, Somaliland should have the upper hand in any reconciliation agreement.

The current status quo of Somaliland being a pseudo-nation will harm both parties when Somalia eventually becomes stable. A stable Somalia will have full control of airspace and territorial waters that covers SL despite not having control on the ground. That potential chess match embarrasses everyone.

That is why I will only ever call for Somaliland's reconciliation after Somalia has dealt with its demons, one of which is Somaliland itself.