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I know what I suggested above is very sensitive to many and they view the idea of uniting/or establishing an alliance with a country like Ethiopia to be very offensive the least and an outright treasonous concept. Many Germans, British and French people had such views when their leaders first suggested and did the unthinkable to bring these waring nations together through a common market and a security alliance. It is also true that Brexit and the Alt Right in France and other powerful European nations want to exit the E.U, but none of them has so far suggested wanting to exit the security union of NATO. The union has brought vast economic growth and the notion that the major Europeans powers will fight against one another has dissipated. In a nutshell, one can validly argue that the major reason of creating a union in Europe was to put a stop to their never ending wars and it has been achieved successfully. Once this HOA union materialises, we (including the territories we claim in Kenya and Ethiopia) will be part of a bigger domain. The new picture that emerges will be one that all governments are required and expected to spend their budgets on improving the lives of their citizens, rather than buying arms and creating a strong army. As we have witnessed, this will only bankrupt the nation, be exploited by foreign powers as proxy wars, empowers the emergence of strong dictatorial leaders who require our absolute allegiances or we will face their wrath. The HOA region is a basket-case, where corruption, poverty, illiteracy, child mortality rates and unemployment are the highest in the world. We can't feed ourselves, treat our sick, educate our children and employ our youth. To overcome all these ills,, we need to be brave enough and think out of the square. We should build bridges that unite us to improve our lot. Only we, as HOA citizens can change our predicament. To do so requires a genuine reconciliation, an attitude of moving forward and a desire to unite for a better and brighter future. This may not happen in our lifetime, but we can set up the foundations required such an idea to succeed in the future.
 
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I know what I suggested above is very sensitive to many and they view the idea of uniting/or establishing an alliance with a country like Ethiopia to be very offensive the least and an outright treasonous concept. Many Germans, British and French people had such views when their leaders first suggested and did the unthinkable to bring these waring nations together through a common market and a security alliance. It is also true that Brexit and the Alt Right in France and other powerful European nations want to exit the E.U, but none of them has so far suggested wanting to exit the security union of NATO. The union has brought vast economic growth and the notion that the major Europeans powers will fight against one another has dissipated. In a nutshell, one can validly argue that the major reason of creating a union in Europe was to put a stop to their never ending wars and it has been achieved successfully. Once this HOA union materialises, we (including the territories we claim in Kenya and Ethiopia) will be part of a bigger domain. The new picture that emerges will be one that all governments are required and expected to spend their budgets on improving the lives of their citizens, rather than buying arms and creating a strong army. As we have witnessed, this will only bankrupt the nation, be exploited by foreign powers as proxy wars, empowers the emergence of strong dictatorial leaders who require our absolute allegiances or we will face the wrath. The HOA region is a basket-case, where corruption, poverty, illiteracy, child mortality rates and unemployment are the highest in the world. We can't feed ourselves, treat our sick, educate our children and employ our youth. To overcome all these ills,, we need to brave enough and think out of the square. We should build bridges that unite us to improve our lot. Only we as HOA citizens can change our predicament. To do so requires a genuine reconciliation, an attitude of moving forward and a desire to unite for a better and brighter future. This may not happen in our lifetime, but we can set up the foundations required such an idea to succeed in the future.

You pacifist? No one opposes for economic ties.
 
Why would we unite with Kuffar? That goes against the basic foundation of our religion. Not to mention Kuffar who are occupying our territory and actively trying to steal even more. For such a weak state such ourselves to unite with these beasts, it would only mean one thing, subservience, and if history has anything to say about it... Somalia have never been about that life.
 
Why would we unite with Kuffar? That goes against the basic foundation of our religion. Not to mention Kuffar who are occupying our territory and actively trying to steal even more. For such a weak state such ourselves to unite with these beasts, it would only mean one thing, subservience, and if history has anything to say about it... Somalia have never been about that life.
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Why would we unite with Kuffar? That goes against the basic foundation of our religion. Not to mention Kuffar who are occupying our territory and actively trying to steal even more. For such a weak state such ourselves to unite with these beasts, it would only mean one thing, subservience, and if history has anything to say about it... Somalia have never been about that life.

You sound very fascistic, our new ADMIN member, calling humans beasts. Welcome!
 

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I know what I suggested above is very sensitive to many and they view the idea of uniting/or establishing an alliance with a country like Ethiopia to be very offensive the least and an outright treasonous concept. Many Germans, British and French people had such views when their leaders first suggested and did the unthinkable to bring these waring nations together through a common market and a security alliance. It is also true that Brexit and the Alt Right in France and other powerful European nations want to exit the E.U, but none of them has so far suggested wanting to exit the security union of NATO. The union has brought vast economic growth and the notion that the major Europeans powers will fight against one another has dissipated. In a nutshell, one can validly argue that the major reason of creating a union in Europe was to put a stop to their never ending wars and it has been achieved successfully.

Once this HOA union materialises, we (including the territories we claim in Kenya and Ethiopia) will be part of a bigger domain. The new picture that emerges will be one that all governments are required and expected to spend their budgets on improving the lives of their citizens, rather than buying arms and creating a strong army. As we have witnessed, this will only bankrupt the nation, be exploited by foreign powers as proxy wars, empowers the emergence of strong dictatorial leaders who require our absolute allegiances or we will face the wrath.

The HOA region is a basket-case, where corruption, poverty, illiteracy, child mortality rates and unemployment are the highest in the world. We can't feed ourselves, treat our sick, educate our children and employ our youth. To overcome all these ills,, we need to brave enough and think out of the square. We should build bridges that unite us to improve our lot. Only we as HOA citizens can change our predicament. To do so requires a genuine reconciliation, an attitude of moving forward and a desire to unite for a better and brighter future. This may not happen in our lifetime, but we can set up the foundations required such an idea to succeed in the future.
Wow, this is the most logical and forward thinking response that I've read so far on this topic. You've perfectly addressed all the points that I've been struggling to articulate in some of these threads; I especially like the bolded. Thanks for posting.
 
Why would we unite with Kuffar? That goes against the basic foundation of our religion. Not to mention Kuffar who are occupying our territory and actively trying to steal even more. For such a weak state such ourselves to unite with these beasts, it would only mean one thing, subservience, and if history has anything to say about it... Somalia have never been about that life.

Tamkeem

Good point, but what about Turkey and it's membership of NATO? Nations States are members of many entities such as, the United Nations, AU which their parliaments or governments has ratified those Treaties. You live in a non-Muslim country and follow the rules and regulations of the country. Muslims swear or promise in their citizenship ceremonies to not assist subversive foreign agents even if they are Muslims fighting against their new country. By Creating a union or an alliance doesn't mean establishing an army and not with the intention of conquering others. It is only for defensive pact. Mohamed had one with the Jewish people in Yathrib/Medina. It is illogic and naïve to suggest that the idea could be implemented now, but may be possible within the next couple of decades and by time, hopefully Somalia will be in a better shape. We are just starting the conversation now.
 
Tamkeem

Good point, but what about Turkey and it's membership of NATO? Nations States are members of many entities such as, the United Nations, AU which their parliaments or governments has ratified those Treaties. You live in a non-Muslim country and follow the rules and regulations of the country. Muslims swear or promise in their citizenship ceremonies to not assist subversive foreign agents even if they are Muslims fighting against their new country. By Creating a union or an alliance doesn't mean establishing an army and not with the intention of conquering others. It is only for defensive pact. Mohamed had one with the Jewish people in Yathrib/Medina. It is illogic and naïve to suggest that the idea could be implemented now, but may be possible within the next couple of decades and by time, hopefully Somalia will be in a better shape. We are just starting the conversation now.

Turkiye was humiliated, don't know why they even bothered.
 
Tamkeem

Good point, but what about Turkey and it's membership of NATO? Nations States are members of many entities such as, the United Nations, AU which their parliaments or governments has ratified those Treaties. You live in a non-Muslim country and follow the rules and regulations of the country. Muslims swear or promise in their citizenship ceremonies to not assist subversive foreign agents even if they are Muslims fighting against their new country. By Creating a union or an alliance doesn't mean establishing an army and not with the intention of conquering others. It is only for defensive pact. Mohamed had one with the Jewish people in Yathrib/Medina. It is illogic and naïve to suggest that the idea could be implemented now, but may be possible within the next couple of decades and by time, hopefully Somalia will be in a better shape. We are just starting the conversation now.

I don't support the UN (it's a cathedral of shirk) or the AU (small church of shirk). I never swore any oath of citizenship personally and if they make a law that goes against what Allah has revealed i would never obey them in it (their made up laws are under my feet). It's not the same as the alliance the Prophet (SAW) had with the Jews of Yathrib (who by the way ended up betraying the Muslims and got killed as a result) because the Jews of Yathrib were under the authority of the Muslims and not the other way around. The Jews could not force their made up laws (SHIRK) on the necks of the Muslim as would be the case if Somalia united with Ethiopia/Kenya etc. So don't try being sneaky with your evil. End.
 
I would only support this if every ethnic group gets its own nation. Djibouti should cease to exist, Greater Somalia should unite, Oromia should be its own country. The Habesha people can form their own country along with everyone else.

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Something like the EU could exist here. I would support it. No need for anymore ethnic tensions. :icon lol:
 
I would only support this if every ethnic group gets its own nation. Djibouti should cease to exist, Greater Somalia should unite, Oromia should be its own country. The Habesha people can form their own country along with everyone else.

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Something like the EU could exist here. I would support it. No need for anymore ethnic tensions. :icon lol:


The lines drawn by historical colonialists would need to be worked out.
 
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