If islam is the one true religion why r all the others even still existing? you would think Allah would eliminate the other religions because they make a mockery of his own but lo and behold rosh hashanah is tomorrow and it will probably come around again next year with no end in sight. any thoughts on why God doesn't just end the other relgions??
I have a question about islam?
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According to hadiths we have no free will. Everything is predetermined before we were born, before even the world was created. Bukhari says the first thing Allah created was a pen, to write down the course of human history. Your comment, my comment, the comments of non-Muslims, it's all been foreordained.
That's why I don't believe in much of the so-called sahih hadith books. They're illogical and contradict the Qur'an.
GlitzyCue_
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"Predetermined" no what you mean is our choices are already recorded and known, just because they're recorded doesnt mean we don't have free choice.
That's absolutely false you kaafir.
wouldnt it b easier to just make everyone follow islam and guarantee salvation for all? what is the prupose of thesting us in this life i dont like it
ArchBishopofAtheism
Intellectual saqajaan
I can't believe you went down that road kaleel. Deeply disappointed
You're just mad because you walked in on me balls deep in your mother screwing. Sorrry about that, kid
If choices are prerecorded, you can't choose a course of action that goes against what is recorded in advance.
You can't reconcile free will and qadr. All attempts to do so are semantic games. It's based on bogus hadiths that contradict the Qur'an and reason.
GlitzyCue_
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So what is free will subjective?
But they are eliminated by virtue of Islam being the final perfected religion of Allah.
As far as why people still believe in them, its hard to give up what your forefathers held in belief.
سَيَقُولُ ٱلَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا۟ لَوْ شَآءَ ٱللَّهُ مَآ أَشْرَكْنَا وَلَآ ءَابَآؤُنَا وَلَا حَرَّمْنَا مِن شَىْءٍ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ كَذَّبَ ٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِهِمْ حَتَّىٰ ذَاقُوا۟ بَأْسَنَا ۗ قُلْ هَلْ عِندَكُم مِّنْ عِلْمٍ فَتُخْرِجُوهُ لَنَآ ۖ إِن تَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا ٱلظَّنَّ وَإِنْ أَنتُمْ إِلَّا تَخْرُصُونَ
Translations:
Saheeh Int.
At this point, their last argument with which they tried to justify their erroneous beliefs and misguided practices comes under close scrutiny. They claim that they did not adopt those ill- founded beliefs by choice; rather, they were compelled to do so. Had God wished that they did not believe in these other gods and deities, He would have prevented them from doing so, since He is certainly able to accomplish whatever purpose He has in mind.
We examine the unbelievers’ argument and the Qur’anic reply only to find that the whole question is clear, simple and precise: “Those who associate partners with God will say: ‘Had God so willed, neither we nor our fathers would have associated any partners with Him; nor would we have declared anything as forbidden’.” In other words, they argue that their idolatrous beliefs, their unsanctioned prohibitions as well as their false assertions are all part of divine law, and they blame it all on God’s will and what He has determined for them. Had He willed otherwise, they would not have associated any partners with Him and would not have made anything unlawful.
What is the Qur’anic reply to this claim? The Qur’an declares that they lie the same way as those who had gone before them lied and denied the truth. Those earlier people who persisted with their denial of the truth were made to suffer God’s punishment and experience His might. The same fate awaits the new liars who follow in their footsteps: “In like manner did those who have lived before them deny the truth, until they came to taste Our punishment.” This statement should shake and awaken people so that they reflect on the lessons that can be learned from the experience of earlier peoples.
The second point in the Qur’anic reply aims at correcting the human method of reflection and deliberation. God has given people certain orders to fulfil and forbidden them certain things. They can have absolutely certain knowledge of all this. As for God’s will, it belongs to the realm that lies beyond the reach of human thought or human perception. They have no way of knowing it for certain. If this is the case and they cannot know the dictates of God’s will for certain, how is it, then, that they use this argument? “Say: ‘Have you any certain knowledge which you can put before us? You follow nothing but conjecture, and you do nothing but guess.’” God’s orders and prohibitions are known to all with certainty. Why, then, do these people ignore such truth, in order to indulge in guesswork and follow paths that can lead them nowhere?
This is all that can be said on this question. God does not require people to know what He has chosen to keep to Himself of His will and how it operates. He only wants them to know what commandments He has issued to them and what things He has forbidden them so that they conduct their lives in accordance with these orders and prohibitions. When they try to acquire this knowledge, God states that He will guide them to it and open their hearts to receive it so that they may declare their submission to God. This is all that human beings need, it is all so clear and simple, and free from all the ambiguity imparted by endless controversy.
قُلْ فَلِلَّهِ ٱلْحُجَّةُ ٱلْبَٰلِغَةُ ۖ فَلَوْ شَآءَ لَهَدَىٰكُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ
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Saheeh Int.
http://www.quran-wiki.com/ayat-6-149-alAnam
This religion of Islam has been revealed in order to establish a practical situation governed by clear commandments and prohibitions. To try to involve divine will, which cannot be perceived by our senses, is to try to traverse uncharted regions without guidance. It is a total waste of effort, which can be used more constructively elsewhere.
Translations:
Saheeh Int.
Those who associated with Allah will say, "If Allah had willed, we would not have associated [anything] and neither would our fathers, nor would we have prohibited anything." Likewise did those before deny until they tasted Our punishment. Say, "Do you have any knowledge that you can produce for us? You follow not except assumption, and you are not but falsifying."
At this point, their last argument with which they tried to justify their erroneous beliefs and misguided practices comes under close scrutiny. They claim that they did not adopt those ill- founded beliefs by choice; rather, they were compelled to do so. Had God wished that they did not believe in these other gods and deities, He would have prevented them from doing so, since He is certainly able to accomplish whatever purpose He has in mind.
We examine the unbelievers’ argument and the Qur’anic reply only to find that the whole question is clear, simple and precise: “Those who associate partners with God will say: ‘Had God so willed, neither we nor our fathers would have associated any partners with Him; nor would we have declared anything as forbidden’.” In other words, they argue that their idolatrous beliefs, their unsanctioned prohibitions as well as their false assertions are all part of divine law, and they blame it all on God’s will and what He has determined for them. Had He willed otherwise, they would not have associated any partners with Him and would not have made anything unlawful.
What is the Qur’anic reply to this claim? The Qur’an declares that they lie the same way as those who had gone before them lied and denied the truth. Those earlier people who persisted with their denial of the truth were made to suffer God’s punishment and experience His might. The same fate awaits the new liars who follow in their footsteps: “In like manner did those who have lived before them deny the truth, until they came to taste Our punishment.” This statement should shake and awaken people so that they reflect on the lessons that can be learned from the experience of earlier peoples.
The second point in the Qur’anic reply aims at correcting the human method of reflection and deliberation. God has given people certain orders to fulfil and forbidden them certain things. They can have absolutely certain knowledge of all this. As for God’s will, it belongs to the realm that lies beyond the reach of human thought or human perception. They have no way of knowing it for certain. If this is the case and they cannot know the dictates of God’s will for certain, how is it, then, that they use this argument? “Say: ‘Have you any certain knowledge which you can put before us? You follow nothing but conjecture, and you do nothing but guess.’” God’s orders and prohibitions are known to all with certainty. Why, then, do these people ignore such truth, in order to indulge in guesswork and follow paths that can lead them nowhere?
This is all that can be said on this question. God does not require people to know what He has chosen to keep to Himself of His will and how it operates. He only wants them to know what commandments He has issued to them and what things He has forbidden them so that they conduct their lives in accordance with these orders and prohibitions. When they try to acquire this knowledge, God states that He will guide them to it and open their hearts to receive it so that they may declare their submission to God. This is all that human beings need, it is all so clear and simple, and free from all the ambiguity imparted by endless controversy.
قُلْ فَلِلَّهِ ٱلْحُجَّةُ ٱلْبَٰلِغَةُ ۖ فَلَوْ شَآءَ لَهَدَىٰكُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ
Translations:
Saheeh Int.
Say, "With Allah is the far-reaching argument. If He had willed, He would have guided you all."
The whole issue is very clear and expressed in a plain and simple statement to ensure that it is perfectly understood by all human beings. The endless debates and arguments about it are alien to the Islamic approach. Not a single school of philosophy or divinity has been able to arrive at a comfortable conclusion as a result of its treatment of this question. This is due to the fact that the methods adopted by these schools have always been unsuitable to the nature of the question.
http://www.quran-wiki.com/ayat-6-149-alAnam
This religion of Islam has been revealed in order to establish a practical situation governed by clear commandments and prohibitions. To try to involve divine will, which cannot be perceived by our senses, is to try to traverse uncharted regions without guidance. It is a total waste of effort, which can be used more constructively elsewhere.
AlphaSomali
Were set
Let me answer, Every religion you see on this was given a Nabi. But they astray from the true path. Allah has given everything mercy, and given Adam the freedom of choice. Adam knows Allah exist therefore he never disbelieve. Many generations come and go and Satan makes the Disbelievers. Everything in this world is a test, Atheism is a test, Christianity is a test to make you disbelieve. Islam is the religion but a way of life. May Allah make your life Easier.
VixR
Veritas
How about the more parsimonious explanation; that every belief system from Islam to the Greek pantheon are conjured dieties by their respective local populations, but no, instead we prefer to weave tales without any bearing whatsoever when every last one of these bajillion religions, many of them expired to the pages of history ALL suspiciously (not really) made the exact SAME truth claims.
No, free will exists. Hadiths that say to the contrary are forgeries.
In your scientific materialist world view everything is predetermined by the gazillion chemical reactions taking place among our atoms and molecules for which we have no control over unique on a individual
Therefore an objective 'truth claim' can never exist in your world view as that requires free-will but the atoms and molecules have no free-will, therefore like all scientific materialist have affirmed throughout history is that everything is predetermined, from the physicists down to the neuron scientist all in unison agreement.
Hence an objective truth claim can never exist in your belief system because that requires free-will which you don't have, thus every statement is subjective to the individual in your deterministic belief system
This is the incoherent paradox you are drowning in without even knowing. Your very fortunate you never had someone challenge these weak false convictions of yours, hence why you always run away when I catch you in these heresies.
You should reflect on your dirty origins from a lowly filthy fluid and the foods that you eat most of it fertilised using animal waste excrement or a dirty human waste compost ( if you eat organic otherwise it's chemical waste)
Both your origins and what you eat is disgusting and you want to question the creator of this universe on his infinite wisdom with your finite obtuse, brain fog riddled limited peanut sized brain ?
Where is your sense of shame or humility ? he does what he wants, how he wants it, when he wants it because he has complete authority over everything, the same way you wouldn't allow someone to question you over the things that you have limited authority over.
Allah gives this world to whoever from the Muslim/Infidels he wants but he only gives "iman" to those he loves and those he loves are those with pure sound hearts full of humility and devotion to him.
He knows everything and we know nothing, he has unlimited wisdom and perspectives in matters which we simply don't, you and I don't even know if the decisions we are making right now are good or bad for us, have some humility and shame.
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VixR
Veritas
It's not that a truth claim cannot exist, on the contrary it's that they're all that do exist, naturally, bc then what reason would a population have to believe in something by faith, unless it promised to be ONLY truth of its kind? But see, we all know it's NOT the only one of it's kind, the processes of human mind can be that predictable!
no need to be rude pal. in this case i think my idea would be better than damning a bunch of people who just don't know the truth
I read this post over 10 times trying to figure out the message you are trying to convey, and I am still utterly lost.
The religious person who affirms free-will/choice can make a 'truth claim' but you as a scientific materialist whose beliefs are 'determinism' can't make a truth claim because that's irrational as it requires a belief in free-will which your own false God's (Europhile scientists) all refute.
This is why you can't postulate any position on morality or anything that's 'objective' but only things that are subjective to the individual which is the case in a deterministic world, how you don't understand this fundamental incoherence in your own personal beliefs is staggering.
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