I don't know who needs to hear this..

[Angelina]

The requirements of Muslim man taking a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th wife is very clear in Islam, and being able to afford it and fair to all of his wives on equitable basis are big part of the requirements.

But going to West African parties and bragging about "what I would like about those parties is people don't sit down all night" aint part of first or polygamous marriages. The whole bragging about having a PHD came down to being with Abu Dhagax.

Ah okay,

So the list goes on:

Now I party do I?

You do know its Ramadan right so again why lie about me? I'm actually serious now. You really need to leave me alone.

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

Some Somali tribes do establish suitability issues though. If an Reer Xamar Cadcad does not want his daughter to marry a mainstream Somali, he has every right to feel that way since Reer Xamar Benadiris are business people and they want to keep it within the family or tribe for financial reasons or whatever profession they’re known for. If a Darood or Hawiye Somali does not want his daughter to marry a Somali man from a low class tribe such as a Madhibaan or a Somali Bantu because he doesn’t want his daughter and grandchildren to suffer in a miserable tribal society like Somalia, he has ever right that way and he wouldn’t be sinful for refusing such a marriage.

Reer Xamars are non somali

 

[Deleted L]

Reer Xamars are non somali

They’re culturally Somali

 

[adventurequestworlds1.0.2]

They’re culturally Somali

Culture doesnt make non somali somali
I am culturally west but doesn't make me white man

 

[Omar del Sur]

You’re actually wrong. A guardian (who’s usually the father) has every right to reject his daughter from marrying a foreigner of a different culture if he wants to. In Islamic law, there’s a system known as kafa’ah which means suitability and this includes cultural suitability as well. If an Arab father doesn’t want his daughter to marry a Black man or an Indian man due to cultural differences and he wants to be in-laws with people who he is culturally familiar with, he has every right to feel that way and he wouldn’t be sinful for doing so.

The Shafi’i Fiqh manual Reliance Of The Traveller includes lineage as part of Kafa’ah (suitability) and says Non-Arab men are not suitable for Arabs woman in marriage:

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yes, OP is just making stuff up. the father is entitled to reject a suitor for whatever reason. there is nothing that says he has to accept the daughter marrying a given race if he has a problem with it.

also the thing about Arabs is very common. in a lot of the old fiqh books, it discourages marriage of an Arab woman to a non-Arab man.

of course, "can he?" and "should he?" are two different things. the father can reject the suitor but whether he should or not is another issue. I've seen an opinion that he should not consider the race if the man is pious and I've also seen an opinion that it's perfectly fine if he chooses based on race. but while there is room for discussion in terms of "should he," "can he" is not an issue- there is no question that he is entitled to reject the suitor.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Your source says that colour doesn’t matter and only used the Hadith about non-Arab men marrying Arab women to justify lineage.

There is a Hadith I learnt a while back about the prophet PBUH admonishing a family for refusing to marry their daughter to a black man.

Futhermore, there is this Hadith “If there comes to you a man whose character and religious commitment you are pleased with, then marry your daughter to him, for if you do not, there will be fitnah in the land”

This Hadith literally says if you refuse a suitor on anything but character and deen, the community will see fitnah.

Mufti Menk also has called out Muslims that use kaf’ah to deny suitors of a different race.

He says it’s unislamic and racist.

Should he f*ck off?

Mufti Menk might say it's "unislamic and racist" but the father has the right to reject the suitor regardless. Someone might argue he shouldn't but legally he can. The decision is his.

 

[Juliet]

Suppose you let your kids marry out on the basis of Islam - what will become of their identity if their children leave Islam (highly likely the longer your progeny live in the west) ? Just westernised gaal mixed kids with no roots. No long term thinking

Islam is a flimsy thing to identify which, you, or your descendants can (and will, as DOJ approaches) leave it anytime. On the other hand, you can't leave your ethnic identity

 

[Nalaaye floxks]

Same person

Ok? That doesn’t explain shit

 

[Badboy4life]

Suppose you let your kids marry out on the basis of Islam - what will become of their identity if their children leave Islam (highly likely the longer your progeny live in the west) ? Just westernised gaal mixed kids with no roots. No long term thinking

Islam is a flimsy thing to identify which, you, or your descendants can (and will, as DOJ approaches) leave it anytime. On the other hand, you can't leave your ethnic identity

Why would I care what happens to my children if they left islam? The worse they end up the happier I would be, they could commit suicide for all I care tbh.

 

[Periplus]

Even my son doesnt have to ask my permission i can still reject the woman he gonna marry cuz of her ethnicity and background and say dont bring her to me or my house just like i would reject my daughter potential spouse still same just like i said tht hadith is double stander

Even that is unjustified reason to reject.

 

[Periplus]

All you need to know about his agenda, sxb:

Hidden message:
We’re going through hard times,not much to be proud of, so how DARE we refuse to give away OUR children to anyone who asks?

@Periplus, go try posting this steaming pile of garbage on an Arab, South Asian forum, and screenshot the replies

I’m sure as hell not going through the hardships of childbirth and rearing my kids just to give them away to qashin. Idgaf about the “rules”

Did your read the sentence after the part that I placed in bold or did you only read that sentence?

Also, don’t you have a non-Somali partner. This thread is more relevant to you than anyone else on this thread.

 

[Periplus]

Okay, I’ve been asleep for a few hours now and damn, you guys have been busy.

Its been almost 24 hours and no one has provided any evidence that proves me wrong.

At this point, it’s an easy dub.

 

[Periplus]

@Periplus is indoctrinated by SJW liberalism, don't take what he says seriously.

Here are some of his remarks he made before on this topic:

Forget about parents, he doesn't believe in free will and thinks that as a Somali man, you are not allowed to reject a white girl for marriage for the sole reason of them being white. Simply having a preference to marry your own people, is wrong.

You have to ask yourself, what is his agenda here? Why is he against Somali people marrying each other? Why does he insist on using Islam to propagate his liberal views? The answer is simple, by using Islam he wants to guilt trip the Western Somali community into wiping itself from existence. He claims to be Majerteen, but the Majerteen users here all say he is a sheegato.

He doesn't even believe that being a Muslim is the #1 consideration for marriage because the Jamaican might convert in the future. What kind of Somali man pressures a girl that isn't interested in a non-Muslim Jamaican to marry him? @Qeelbax

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Never take what this guy says seriously. I have never seen this guy take a position that wasn't ultra liberal SJW pro neo-colonialist.

If @Periplus was a sheikh or Imam, this nigga would be letting somalis girls marry reverts straight outta jail left and right and being their weli because the girls family said no.

So we’re just going to take posts out of context now….

Should I pull up the one where @World says he would rather his daughter marry a Black revert than a madhibaan.

If any user should be quiet, it’s that nigga.

 

[Juliet]

Did your read the sentence after the part that I placed in bold or did you only read that sentence?

Also, don’t you have a non-Somali partner. This thread is more relevant to you than anyone else on this thread.

Have no intentions of marrying him though lol

Parents have nothing to worry about

 

[Omar del Sur]

Okay, I’ve been asleep for a few hours now and damn, you guys have been busy.

Its been almost 24 hours and no one has provided any evidence that proves me wrong.

But a parent cannot reject a potential spouse for their daughter in Islam due to race or ethnicity.

Name one single Islamic scholar from over a hundred years ago who backs this view.

 

[Periplus]

Have no intentions of marrying him though lol

Parents have nothing to worry about

Surely you have sympathy to people who are engaged to someone of a different race but have been prevented from marrying.

Seeing as though you are in an interracial relationship, as temporary as that is.

 

[Periplus]

Name one single Islamic scholar from over a hundred years ago who backs this view.

Any Maliki scholar. They consider religiosity as the main criteria for marriage.

They don’t consider lineage or profession due to the sunnah from Al-Tirmidhi (number 1084).

Since that Hadith puts religion and character as the only criteria, every Maliki scholar considers only that for marriage.

I can provide more but that was the first to come to mind.

 

[Juliet]

Surely you have sympathy to people who are engaged to someone of a different race but have been prevented from marrying.

Seeing as though you are in an interracial relationship, as temporary as that is.

Its one thing to enjoy temporary comforts, its quite another to include them in your family and make them 50% of your children’s. Hardly comparable

 

[Omar del Sur]

Any Maliki scholar. They consider religiosity as the main criteria for marriage.

They don’t consider lineage or profession due to the sunnah from Al-Tirmidhi 1084.

Since that Hadith puts religion and character as the only criteria, every Maliki scholar considers only that for marriage.

I can provide more but that was the first to come to mind.

where is the fatwa that says that the wali cannot reject the suitor due to race or ethnicity? and what is the name of one of these scholars that has issued such a ruling? I don't think any scholar from over a hundred years ago ever issued such a ruling.

saying that religiosity is the most important thing is not the same as ruling "a parent cannot reject a potential spouse for their daughter in Islam due to race or ethnicity".

that is something you made up. I don't think any of those scholars ever mentioned any such rule and there is nothing backing your claim.

As I said before- "Mufti Menk might say it's "unislamic and racist" but the father has the right to reject the suitor regardless. Someone might argue he shouldn't but legally he can. The decision is his."

 

[Omar del Sur]

has anyone ever seen a fatwa from any scholar that says "a parent cannot reject a potential spouse for their daughter in Islam due to race or ethnicity"? I have seen a fatwa that encouraged looking past the race if the suitor is pious but I have never seen a fatwa that says that the wali cannot reject a potential spouse for their daughter in Islam due to race or ethnicity.

has anyone ever seen such a fatwa? and if they have, perhaps they would like to post it here... unless it is some sort of mysterious fatwa that is rarely seen and only rumored to exist like bigfoot and the yeti