I never seen a Somali man push this sh1t on us. Marry who you want, but trying to emotionally blackmail people saying if you don’t want others you racist and you have more in common with Nigerians in your area than Somalis in Somalia is weird. Guy really is a cuck
I don't know who needs to hear this..
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I was repeating what Mufti Menk said which is that Muslims in the West have more in common than their countrymen back home.
Language and culture isn’t the only form of compatibility. There is also mindset, upbringing, outlook and experiences.
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Wdym emotional blackmail.
I literally just said the deen does not condone rejecting a suitor based on race or ethnicity.
No one has provided evidence to the contrary.
I agree, but some mothers can be territorial especially if she is a single parent or you're the only son. You could very well find yourself in a position in which no woman is good enough for you in the eyes of your hooyo.
If mufti said that, then he is either wrong or talking about completely westernised people. Answer me this….do you have more in common with Nigerians in Australia than Somalis in Somalia? Simple question
If you haven’t watched the video that I attached then why are you speaking??!??
Who goes into an argument without listening to what the other person has to say. At that point you’re not here for a discussion but rather ranting to affirm your biases…
As for your question…
I lived in Somalia so my experience is different. Many adeers joke that I’m half-fob even though I was born in Australia.
But I do see the logic in someone saying that they have more in common with a Nigerian Muslim in their country than a Somali in Somalia. Especially if that Nigerian came from the same Muslim community and has a similar upbringing.
I think moderation is key here.
According to some Madhabs, fathers can reject if they feel that there will be too much of a culture clash. Islam does to some extent take 'Urf' into account. Marriages are difficult and this is something any married person will tell you. Marrying within means there are less clashes and issues you need to worry about.
However, what is strictly haram is for you to look down on women who've chosen to marry interracially which is a common problem here on Sspot and the Somali community at large. Interracial marriages are halal, yet many here want to try and make the halal haram. There are some Somali fathers who are okay with their daughters marrying non Somalis. These girls have married with the full blessings of their family.
Also, we have some posters who are saying that women who marry out should be cut off from their families. Again, that is very haram. Ties of kinship in Islam is very important and not talking to your family members for more than 3 days is haram.
Also, I can't take a lot of posters issues with IR relationships seriously as they don't have an issue with it, they simply have an issue with women engaging in it. There is a difference.
According to some Madhabs, fathers can reject if they feel that there will be too much of a culture clash. Islam does to some extent take 'Urf' into account. Marriages are difficult and this is something any married person will tell you. Marrying within means there are less clashes and issues you need to worry about.
However, what is strictly haram is for you to look down on women who've chosen to marry interracially which is a common problem here on Sspot and the Somali community at large. Interracial marriages are halal, yet many here want to try and make the halal haram. There are some Somali fathers who are okay with their daughters marrying non Somalis. These girls have married with the full blessings of their family.
Also, we have some posters who are saying that women who marry out should be cut off from their families. Again, that is very haram. Ties of kinship in Islam is very important and not talking to your family members for more than 3 days is haram.
Also, I can't take a lot of posters issues with IR relationships seriously as they don't have an issue with it, they simply have an issue with women engaging in it. There is a difference.
What I don’t get is some people saying they’ll reject a good ajnabi Muslim they knew their whole lives from marrying their sister because of culture clash.
If you guys grew up together, how is that a culture clash?!?
I get it if it’s a Chinese Muslim who grew in Xinjiang laakin you can’t have that excuse for someone that grew in the same area as you.
So you don’t have more in common with Nigerian Muslims in Australia than Somalis in Somalia. But have no problem telling others they do. I have never met a Somali say this, have you?
No, what I am saying is that you can’t say a Nigerian Muslim in Australia is a culture clash.
When you guys literally have similar upbringing.
It’s not hard to understand.
Except we don’t have similar upbringing. Just because I grew up with gambians and Arabs in Sweden and we went to same school and played football together doesn’t mean we had same upbringing. I had Somali parents at home who had their culture, they had their parents who had their culture. In fact what happened is as we got older we gravitated towards our culture. My closest Gambian friend went and bought land in Gambia and married there. The Arab actually became more Arab. We don’t remain blissful teenagers forever.No, what I am saying is that you can’t say a Nigerian Muslim in Australia is a culture clash.
When you guys literally have similar upbringing.
It’s not hard to understand.
Haye, su’aashan iga jawaab…
Af soomaali ma ku hadlan kartaa?
Jawaabta aad ii dhigtid, af soomaali ku qor.
People from other races don't want 99% of you. Iska xishooda.
So now you want to test my Somali. I have no reason to lie. I’m fluent in Somali and can write and read. But it’s funny cause my isaaq friend who speaks limited Somali went to Somalialand and got married there. His words were he wanted to go back home and marry his own. And as teen he didn’t even hang with Somalis, only when we got 19/20 he started to gravitate towards Somalis and lost touch with the ajnabis we grew up with.Haye, su’aashan iga jawaab…
Af soomaali ma ku hadlan kartaa?
Jawaabta aad ii dhigtid, af soomaali ku qor.
You could’ve easily responded in Somali then…
Were you worried that I was gonna spell you or something?
I probably made a grammatical error in my own post as well lol.
But I love how you have an anecdote for each argument but no Hadith or Islamic evidence that shows you can reject a suitor based on race or ethnicity.
Has anyone noticed Somalis in mixed marriages divorce way more less? There needs to be research conducted on why Somalis have very high divorce rates from what I see in public (none of my family members have been divorced).
I blame extreme consumerism, comparing themselves with others in debt, lack of humility, arrogance and selfishness and many other issues that are prevalent in the community.
I blame extreme consumerism, comparing themselves with others in debt, lack of humility, arrogance and selfishness and many other issues that are prevalent in the community.
@Abdi
Ok at Somali waan ku hadli karna. Laakin hal wax ogoow. Baaca ugu ween somalispot baad tahayYou could’ve easily responded in Somali then…
Were you worried that I was gonna spell you or something?
I probably made a grammatical error in my own post as well lol.
But I love how you have an anecdote for each argument but no Hadith or Islamic evidence that shows you can reject a suitor based on race or ethnicity.
