I don't know who needs to hear this..

[Periplus]

But a parent cannot reject a potential spouse for their daughter in Islam due to race or ethnicity.

If the daughter wants to marry that potential spouse and the parent has no other reason for rejecting apart from their race or ethnicity, they lose their guardianship status over their daughter. The next male relative (generally grandfather) is expected to take over and if they're reject it, then the local Islamic leader will take guardianship status.

Islam does not believe in nationalism, so do not tie your nationalism to Islam.

 

[Burbax]

But a parent cannot reject a potential spouse for their daughter in Islam due to race or ethnicity.

If the daughter wants to marry that potential spouse and the parent has no other reason for rejecting apart from their race or ethnicity, they lose their guardianship status over their daughter. The next male relative (generally grandfather) is expected to take over and if they're reject it, then the local Islamic leader will take guardianship status.

Islam does not believe in nationalism, so do not tie your nationalism to Islam.

i was once told that race mixing takes you out of islam by a somali elder

 

[Periplus]

i was once told that race mixing takes you out of islam by a somali elder

My ayeeyo once claimed that stealing is halal if it is the meat slaughtered at a mawlid.

I think we should just not take Somali sheikhs serious.

 

[Nilotic]

So if I became Muslim and had daughters, I couldn't exclude all non black Africans as potential husbands for my daughters?

I would have to pretend that certain populations had not historically been anti-black and that this could have negative implications for my daughters married into such families?

 

[Periplus]

So if I became Muslim and had daughters, I couldn't exclude all non black Africans as potential husbands for my daughters?

I would have to pretend that certain populations had not historically been anti-black and that this could have negative implications for my daughters married into such families?

Islam cares about the individual rather than their background. The religion is very critical of collective punishment and stereotyping.

If the suitor is of bad character or bad faith, then you can reject them.

 

[Juliet]

Humans are naturally tribal. Get over it. Always the blacks screaming about access to other people.

 

[Nilotic]

Islam cares about the individual rather than their background. The religion is very critical of collective punishment and stereotyping.

If the suitor is of bad character or bad faith, then you can reject them.

Then Islam is a lot more progressive than I am.

The Africa I envision keeps all the other races at arms length; it is independent and is economically, politically, technologically and militarily powerful; it doesn't have any bonds of kinship or relations with outsiders beyond transactional trade or short-term scientific or commercial partnerships.

As much as I am grateful to Australia, this should never have happened; Africa should a number of Nations at the level of Germany, Japan or South Korea.

 

[Deleted L]

You’re actually wrong. A guardian (who’s usually the father) has every right to reject his daughter from marrying a foreigner of a different culture if he wants to. In Islamic law, there’s a system known as kafa’ah which means suitability and this includes cultural suitability as well. If an Arab father doesn’t want his daughter to marry a Black man or an Indian man due to cultural differences and he wants to be in-laws with people who he is culturally familiar with, he has every right to feel that way and he wouldn’t be sinful for doing so.

The Shafi’i Fiqh manual Reliance Of The Traveller includes lineage as part of Kafa’ah (suitability) and says Non-Arab men are not suitable for Arabs woman in marriage:

 

[Burbax]

Humans are naturally tribal. Get over it. Always the blacks screaming about access to other people.

neither is using the internet but here we are kkkkk

https://effectiviology.com/appeal-to-nature-fallacy/#:~:text=The%20appeal%20to%20nature%20is,because%20it's%20perceived%20as%20unnatural.

 

[GemState]

So if I became Muslim and had daughters, I couldn't exclude all non black Africans as potential husbands for my daughters?

I would have to pretend that certain populations had not historically been anti-black and that this could have negative implications for my daughters married into such families?

He's talking out of his asscheeks, denying someone based on cultural compatibility is fine. Islam isn't culturally-marxist

 

[World]

A father can even reject someone solely for being a revert to islam, and not being a born muslim.

 

[Periplus]

You’re actually wrong. A guardian (who’s usually the father) has every right to reject his daughter from marrying a foreigner of a different culture if he wants to. In Islamic law, there’s a system known as kafa’ah which means suitability and this includes cultural suitability as well. If an Arab father doesn’t want his daughter to marry a Black man or an Indian man due to cultural differences and he wants to be in-laws with people who he is culturally familiar with, he has every right to feel that way and he wouldn’t be sinful for doing so.

The Shafi’i Fiqh manual Reliance Of The Traveller includes lineage as part of Kafa’ah (suitability) and says Non-Arab men are not suitable for Arabs woman in marriage:

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The concept of Kaf'ah is extremely contentious, to the point that the only thing all madhabs can agree on when it comes to kaf'ah is compatibility of religion.

That screenshot only talks about Arab and non-Arab marriages due to the hadith of Arabs being above all others.

Your screenshot says "as for colour, it is of no consideration in suitability".

 

[Nomadic lord]

They can reject them, but they won't be able to prevent them from marrying.

 

[Periplus]

He's talking out of his asscheeks, denying someone based on cultural compatibility is fine. Islam isn't culturally-marxist

Attach your proof.

So far, all we have is a screenshot that only mentions Arab woman and non-Arab man marriages which also states that colour isn't barrier for denying marriage.

 

[Chase]

I want my siblings to marry Somalis, that would be ideal. But if they're Muslim I won't object, it'll be harder but I'll come around to it eventually. Converts/reverts however are a big no-no, not happening.

 

[senor chang]

I want my siblings to marry Somalis, that would be ideal. But if they're Muslim I won't object, it'll be harder but I'll come around to it eventually. Converts/reverts however are a big no-no, not happening.

Why?

 

[Maan]

No woman is worth disobeying your parents wishes for. If my hoyo doesn't like the way she looks at her that's enough for me to end it

 

[Chase]

Why?

Too risky, people mistake their dating and honeymoon phase for love, marriage is about family and commitment. Many cases of converts/reverts leaving the religion going back to their old ways. It can be two years or a decade, doesn't matter, you'll always be at their mercy and the prospect of them ditching you will be hanging over your head, many abuse this power dynamic since they can just up and leave anytime they feel Islam is not for them. Now what? You went through all that trouble and likely brought kids into the picture, which would be unfair on them, gotta be realistic about these things.

 

[Deleted L]

The concept of Kaf'ah is extremely contentious, to the point that the only thing all madhabs can agree on when it comes to kaf'ah is compatibility of religion.

That screenshot only talks about Arab and non-Arab marriages due to the hadith of Arabs being above all others.

Your screenshot says "as for colour, it is of no consideration in suitability".

Suitability is what a guardian chooses to looks for in marriage. Culture and social class plays a big role in suitability whether you like it or not, that’s just reality and anyone who considers that “arrogant” or “racist” should honestly f*ck off. If a Somali from another tribe only wants his daughter to marry a man from the same tribe as him and does not want his daughter to marry a man from a different tribe, he’s entitled to his opinion and he isn’t sinful if he refuses his daughter from marrying a mam from a different tribe.

 

[Periplus]

Suitability is what a guardian chooses to looks for in marriage. Culture and social class plays a big role in suitability whether you like it or not, that’s just reality and anyone who considers that “arrogant” or “racist” should honestly f*ck off. If a Somali from another tribe only wants his daughter to marry a man from the same tribe as him and does not want his daughter to marry a man from a different tribe, he’s entitled to his opinion and he isn’t sinful if he refuses his daughter from marrying a mam from a different tribe.

Your source says that colour doesn’t matter and only used the Hadith about non-Arab men marrying Arab women to justify lineage.

There is a Hadith I learnt a while back about the prophet PBUH admonishing a family for refusing to marry their daughter to a black man.

Futhermore, there is this Hadith “If there comes to you a man whose character and religious commitment you are pleased with, then marry your daughter to him, for if you do not, there will be fitnah in the land”

This Hadith literally says if you refuse a suitor on anything but character and deen, the community will see fitnah.

Mufti Menk also has called out Muslims that use kaf’ah to deny suitors of a different race.

He says it’s unislamic and racist.

Should he f*ck off?