I’m not Afrocentric, but first kings of the old Kingdom were clearly more SSA

[Midas]

I don’t believe that Somalis descend from these people, but I believe that our ancient ancestors and the founders of the Old kingdom had the same origins but we split off.

To be clear its not like the people who established these kingdoms came to back to somalia and that we descended from those people. Its more like the relationship between American and britian. A huge amount of America's culture and ancestry traces back to britian.

The oldest depiction of boats in ancient eygpt for example come from wadi hammat and date back to 4000 b.c

 

[JustSomeGuy]

So, I just found out that the first king of the old Kingdom came from Upper Egypt- which is the South of Egypt near Sudan. Surely at that time period, their origins would have been more SSA with those from the Delta region having more Western Euroasian DNA.

I’m not a hotep or Afrocentric, but I’m beginning to think that obscuring the African origin of Egyptians is indeed being fueled by racism. I don’t deny by the end of the Old Kingdom, they probably were of mostly non SSA backgrounds, but I do believe In reality, early Egypt’s cultural and genetic base came from Upper Egypt & Nubia — firmly in Africa — and only later absorbed more Eurasian ancestry through the Delta.

I’m not an expert at all, never really cared for Egyptian history and kingdoms, but a book I’ve been reading has made me think. The experts here please give me your two cents and feel free to correct me ect. I’m a novice when it comes to these discussions.

My guess is that their SSA breakdown is very similar to modern day Horners and Nubians:


The SSA–West Eurasian mix of early Upper Egyptians was probably very close to what we see in modern Horn of Africa populations:

• ~50–70% Sub-Saharan African ancestry
• The rest ancient Levant/Egypt-related West Eurasian ancestry

Also: Cultural overlaps

• Some cattle cults, religious motifs, and pastoralist traditions in early Egypt have strong parallels in the Horn and Sudan, further reinforcing the shared heritage.

Sure they might have had slightly more SSA but it wasn’t a majority. You’re also ignoring the fact that Northern Egypt exists.

we don’t even have any evidence that this was the case all the way back then. For all we know he could have had less SSA.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

I don’t believe that Somalis descend from these people, but I believe that our ancient ancestors and the founders of the Old kingdom had the same origins but we split off.

I think you’re right, we’re not directly related but our ancestors & Egyptian ancestors likely shared a common origin but they split off from each other very early.

our ancestors likely lived in northern Sudan at some point meaning they might’ve come into contact with the ancient Egyptians at some point.

 

[Midas]

I think you’re right, we’re not directly related but our ancestors & Egyptian ancestors likely shared a common origin but they split off from each other very early.

our ancestors likely lived in northern Sudan at some point meaning they might’ve come into contact with the ancient Egyptians at some point.

No it's actually the complete opposite. The upper eygptians and us are directly related whereas people living in north Sudan are far far more distancedly related to us. 75% of Upper eygptians and like 80% of somalis belong to e-v12. This is only the case for 10% of sudanese

 

[Midas]

No it's actually the complete opposite. The upper eygptians and us are directly related whereas people living in north Sudan are far far more distancedly related to us. 75% of Upper eygptians and like 80% of somalis belong to e-v12. This is only the case for 10% of sudanese

You guys confuse the culture of bejas with all of sudan.

Sudan up until a few hundred was a matrlineal society. From the kingdom of kush till the islamization of Sudan women played a huge role in deciding who got to be king. The king in meore was descended not from the king but the king's sister who was called the queen mother. Even today there are families who's son take on the name of their mother

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[Midas]

Tldr:
The biggest problem with trying to connect somalia and northern Sudan is the fact that the bulk of sudans pouplation is nubians/arabized nubians who seem to have been a heavily matrlineal society until the arrival of Arabs a couple hundred years ago.