How tribalism is being used to undermine our shared ethnicity.

[Idilinaa]

My father’s side of the family were part of the Ajuuraan imperial army stationed in qalafe. Later, they joined and became the military wing of the Hiraab Imamate. HG were strictly the military branch.

IDK why you keep going back and forth with pastoralists. They don’t even know their real lineage. Couldn’t keep track of something as simple as abtris, yet they want to lecture others about their history lmaooo

Fascinating story, write in a book after you leave your internet basement.

I'm sure every one wants to read it.

 

[Medeea]

Fascinating story, write in a book after you leave your internet basement.

I'm sure every one wants to read it.

Oh we got another angry pastoralist over here

Stop writing essays after essays about other people’s history and write essays about to ur pastoralist ancestry. Oh wait.. you don’t actually know you’re real ancestors

 

[Afrax]

Imo this is a form of intellectual colonization that attacks the mind of the diaspora communities the most. It is also why people get upset with Ilhan Omar. No one likes people who imitate their culture and experience. It is great when someone like Beyonce discusses her culture etc. I seen Al Sharpton and other Black Americans speak out for her but even politically not everyone group is the same or behaves the same way. Imo she is around many leftists who support her. But they are growing tired of her too. Also many of the people in politics aren't black american either they tend to Jamacian (Colin Powell, Kamala and the juggernaut Obama). Compared to other groups who tend to lay low but dominate economically Chinese, Indian, Filipino etc.

People are getting sick of this ideology and I personally think for Somalis this is very dangerous. Somali women who only think about stigma in terms of relationships are childish and short sighted. Imo if this ideology persists I think it will become dangerous for Somalis in neighboring African nations and we can expect a Rwanda and Sudan 2.0. Right now people despise islan and Arabs who are seen as fanatical, tribal, sexist and violent. So everyone sympathizes only with black tribes with Rwanda, Somalia etc being portrayed as anti-black. In Rwanda the source was european scientific biological racism and now its anti-black etc.

How does that make one side take all the blame for a civil war? Imo I hold a special hate for the term genocide which is as abused as the term racism. I would consider these crimes tribal with most groups committing violence for survival and from the result of tribal conflict, resources etc. Two groups can live side by side and resentment can build overtime especially in stratified societies where jobs are occupational.

The most disturbing aspect is the concept of indigenious which is also an abused term. Outside of isolated places, who are they to say who came first? They claim Somali tribes invaded and the other groups were there first but where is their evidence. And imo this concept is also discriminatory to nomads. I think Somalis tribes truly face discrimination and hated like the Roma gypsies tribes in Europe but instead of admitting it they claim we are the aggressors all the time. This type of education needs to be corrected. It has done damage and why no one trusts social sciences anymore.

It is important to note that over 80% of Reer Xamar identify as ethnic Somalis. Reer Xamar itself is best understood as a cultural, rather than strictly ethnic, identity. This is precisely why I referred to “Reer Xamar (including Cadcad communities).” The presence of ethnic minorities within Reer Xamar does not render them any less Somali. To disregard or erase their historical and cultural contributions is neither accurate nor intellectually sound. In everyday discourse, most individuals I encounter consider them simply as light-skinned Somalis who speak one of the distinctive Benadiri dialects. When framed this way, much of the politically charged rhetoric surrounding their identity is revealed to be little more than an extension of the familiar hyperbole of fadhi ku dirir.


That said, I do acknowledge that some members of the Cadcad minority within Reer Xamar may carry a sense of importance, likely stemming from the Italian colonial administration’s preferential treatment of lighter-skinned groups over their darker-skinned compatriots. This mirrors broader patterns within Somali history, such as the resentment felt by some communities over the Kacaan regime’s privileging of the Dervish legacy at the expense of other regional or clan-based historical struggle. Yet, the arrogance of certain individuals should not be used to diminish the contributions of the communities they belong to.


It is also worth noting that long-distance trade in the region was not confined to coastal actors alone. Non-Reer Xamar Somalis engaged actively in overland commerce via caravan routes, and the distinctive cultural identity that emerged in Xamar was made possible, in part, by their sustained input. Agricultural producers from the hinterland supplied much of the food consumed in the city. Trade networks flourished along the Shabelle River, extending as far as Harar. Historical records show correspondence between the rulers of Harar and those of Xamar, attesting to a vibrant and interconnected commercial world. Whether conducted by ship or caravan, trade is trade; the mode of transport does not confer superior value on one group over another.


Ultimately, the history of our ethnic and national identities need not be treated as a zero-sum game. If one were to embrace Reer Xamar as fellow citizens—integral to the Somali national narrative—it would not be difficult to celebrate their contributions and even take pride in the rich legacy of maritime commerce along our coast. I hope I have adequately addressed your post and I did not digress too much.

 

[Idilinaa]

Oh we got another angry pastoralist over here

Stop writing essays after essays about other people’s history and write essays about to ur pastoralist ancestry. Oh wait.. you don’t actually know you’re real ancestors

Pastoralists are awsome , so ill take that.

They were the true driving force, backbone and engine economy in Somali history.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Show me proof that the Marehan were mentioned as traitors?

It’s in the Futuh (a primary source) which you haven’t bothered to read yet you want to debate others. You speak way to confidently for someone who doesn’t know much, you need to work on that.

Ahmed was guessed to be those qabils by the guesses of historians

Lol the rest of your post ain’t worth it. who are these historians? I rather trust the primary sources who witnessed these events than some Jabarti-Htu FKD odaay In the 20th & 21st century who regurgitates the fake scholarship of the kacaan era

. Despite ruling over the North, no one thinks he is Isaaq. That’s the facts and you can cry your self to sleep.

wtf are you talking about? I never said the Imam was even Somali let alone Isaaq. What a bimbo, stop putting words in my mouth. Again like the ignoramus that you are continues to conflate the Imam with Ahmed Chieftain of the Habar Magaadle. These are two different individuals for f*ck sakes.

The imam Ya’qubi who ruled in Xamar in the 1600s was definitely Hawiye, no guesswork is needed for that. You can’t say that. You can never say for certain that Ahmed Gurey was Isaaq, not one historical scholar believes that

Hawiye have no history. The only place worth ruling in the South was Xamar and it never belonged to the Hawiye. The only Somali sultan mentioned by Ibn Batuta was apparently from Berbera. Another Isaaq W, perhaps you need us to rule you again.

I can’t believe a fool like who is relying on guesswork is questioning the history of other Somalis.

The fool is the one who hasn’t read the Futuh, can’t understand a lick of Arabic yet wants to make huge statements on which clans participated in the wars during the lifetime of the Imam. While fabricating Hutu history when the only time your clan was mentioned is when the Mx fled the Adalite realm to the Hawiye in what Shihabudeen called “land of the Somalis” clearly it was as lawless as Hawiye lands today.

Wallahi, you’re a qabilst haywaan.

*Xaywaan. Yes every Somali is qabilist and the sky is blue.

I’ve seen you insult other non Isaaq Somalilanders,

And? SL belongs to the Isaaqs. I’m not one of those woke liberal landers like @Itsnotthateasy The republic was created to protect Isaaqs from genocidal Jabartis & Hutus.

I’ve seen you insult HY.

That’s internal family matters that doesn’t concern you. Just like I don’t care about inner Hawiye or Hawiye-Cadcad tensions. Mind your business walanweyn. HY are my cousins and my Garxajis reer abti.

You’re a low IQ fool mooryaan who is low IQ in every single way.

The low iq one is the illiterate who speaks authoritatively but has absolutely no knowledge. Kibir and low intellect is a dangerous combination.

 

[Angelina]

It’s in the Futuh (a primary source) which you haven’t bothered to read yet you want to debate others. You speak way to confidently for someone who doesn’t know much, you need to work on that.

Lol the rest of your post ain’t worth it. who are these historians? I rather trust the primary sources who witnessed these events than some Jabarti-Htu FKD odaay In the 20th & 21st century who regurgitates the fake scholarship of the kacaan era

wtf are you talking about? I never said the Imam was even Somali let alone Isaaq. What a bimbo, stop putting words in my mouth. Again like the ignoramus that you are continues to conflate the Imam with Ahmed Chieftain of the Habar Magaadle. These are two different individuals for f*ck sakes.

Hawiye have no history. The only place worth ruling in the South was Xamar and it never belonged to the Hawiye. The only Somali sultan mentioned by Ibn Batuta was apparently from Berbera. Another Isaaq W, perhaps you need us to rule you again.

The fool is the one who hasn’t read the Futuh, can’t understand a lick of Arabic yet wants to make huge statements on which clans participated in the wars during the lifetime of the Imam. While fabricating Hutu history when the only time your clan was mentioned is when the Mx fled the Adalite realm to the Hawiye in what Shihabudeen called “land of the Somalis” clearly it was as lawless as Hawiye lands today.

*Xaywaan. Yes every Somali is qabilist and the sky is blue.

And? SL belongs to the Isaaqs. I’m not one of those woke liberal landers like @Itsnotthateasy The republic was created to protect Isaaqs from genocidal Jabartis & Hutus.

That’s internal family matters that doesn’t concern you. Just like I don’t care about inner Hawiye or Hawiye-Cadcad tensions. Mind your business walanweyn. HY are my cousins and my Garxajis reer abti.

I will mention it as much as I want. It shows how stupid many Somalis including yourself are. You are nothing but the typical moryaan. You fight other Somalis who are the same as you and tomorrow you will turn on your ilmo Abti as well. You low IQ khat head. The Arab poem fits your sick ilk perfectly.

The low iq one is the illiterate who speaks authoritatively but has absolutely no knowledge. Kibir and low intellect is a dangerous combination.

Show me where it said the Marehan were traitors. Show me. You’re actually a dirty liar. Marehan are in fact a key generals in the army you low IQ donkey. One of the most prominent generals in the Imam's army was Garad Ahmed bin Hirabu (or Hirabo), who was from the Marehan clan. He is frequently mentioned in the text as a brave and effective military leader.

Ibn Batuta saying that the Sultan of Mogadishu was Berberi doesn’t mean he was from Berbera. You’re either very dumb or snake like Authobillah and I think you know damn well that in the 1300s all Somalis were called Berberi but because you have no come back you’re now doing up ‘wE WuZ rULiNg xAmAr’.

Btw, I’m not a Qabilst. If an Isaaq wanted to believe in Somaliweyn they’re more than welcome to run for presidency. I am sick. A Somali is a Somali to be.

I really can’t be asked with the waffle of a mad Xaywaan crying about genocide when you’d probably slaughter your fellow non Lander SL members as well.

You can’t make this up . Also pick a point, one minute I’m illiterate the next minute say I haven’t read it


People like you are honorless. Disrespectful and have no aklaaq and adhab. Very low class in every aspect.

 

[Moon-]

I will mention it as much as I want. It shows how stupid many Somalis including yourself are. You are nothing but the typical moryaan. You fight other Somalis who are the same as you and tomorrow you will turn on your ilmo Abti as well. You low IQ khat head. The Arab poem fits your sick ilk perfectly.

Show me where it said the Marehan were traitors. Show me.

Ibn Batuta saying that the Sultan of Mogadishu was from Berbera means nothing. We literally have oral history that many Hawiye sub clan forefathers were buried in the North. Somalis are nomadic pastoralists that move about. That isn’t what you think it is you nacaas.

I really can’t be asked with the waffle of a mad Xaywaan crying about genocide when you’d probably slaughter your fellow non Lander SL members.

You can’t make this up . Also pick a point, one minute I’m illiterate the next minute say I haven’t read it

I’d write my usual paragraphs but I really do believe that you’re mentally insane. There is qabilism and then there is you. You take it to a level that is clearly Khat induced.

People like you are honorless. Disrespectful and have no aklaaq and adhab. Very low class in every aspect.

not him we wuzzing xamar history i just can't

 

[Angelina]

not him we wuzzing xamar history i just can't

He is mad that no one thinks that the leader of the Adal empire is his people and on top of that Marehans are mentioned and so is their general.

He can’t even cosplay the Adal empire as an Isaaq one-poor man has to share it with Daroods.

 

[Angelina]

@Garaad Awal

You’re so pathetic. The one empire you Isaaqs had and most major historians and anthologists think that he was Darood, particularly Geri Kombe. Clearly goes to show that the Adal empire was an Islamic one and wasn’t based on your pathetic tribal obsession.

Scholars such as I.M. Lewis, Enrico Cerulli, and others have referenced oral traditions and regional affiliations that support the idea that Ahmad Gurey belonged to a Darod lineage, most likely Marehan.

Even your own Isaaq traditions don’t even claim him and the way you cope is by suggesting that he was non Somali. You’re so fried by Qabyalaad and hatred of other Somalis since you’re mentally unstable, you’ll be able to sleep better if he was an Arab man ruling over you:

Isaaq Oral Tradition​

• The Isaaq clan, one of the major Somali clan-families primarily based in northwestern Somalia (modern Somaliland), does not traditionally claim Imam Ahmad as one of their own.

The generals actually mentioned by name close to the Imam were Darood. Sorry about that!

And as for Ibn Batuta who lived in the 1300s saying that the Sheikh was from Berbera really doesn’t mean anything. And I also have to note, he said he was a Berberi and didn’t say he was from Berbera. That is a major indication that YOU are the illiterate one.

 

[Zak12]

He is mad that no one thinks that the leader of the Adal empire is his people

Gotta love it when Somalis think their clan is an ethnicity or unique identity. Wallahi you never see Scottish people or Turks arguing which clan/tribe ruled their kingdoms. This is petty nonsense.

 

[Angelina]

Gotta love it when Somalis think their clan is an ethnicity or unique identity. Wallahi you never see Scottish people or Turks arguing which clan/tribe ruled their kingdoms. This is petty nonsense.

He is truly low Iq and he also tried to claim that the Ruler of Mogadishu was from Berbera when Ibn Batuta said he was a Berbari- a term he called all Somalis.
When Ibn Battuta visited Mogadishu (Xamar) around 1331, he wrote in his Rihla (travelogue):

"The ruler of Mogadishu is called Abu Bakr ibn Shaikh Umar, and he is a Berberi (برْبَريّ).

He never said he is from Berbera.


The term "Berberi" (برْبَريّ) as used by Arab and Islamic geographers in the medieval period referred broadly to the inhabitants of the Somali coast — not specifically to people from the city of Berbera.
It comes from the phrase "Bilad al-Barbar" (Land of the Berbers), which in the Islamic world meant the land of the Somalis — from Zeila and Berbera in the north to Kismayo and beyond in the south.

Even if he was from Berbera let’s say, in the 1300s Hawiyes were making their way southwards any way. That is basic Somali history and Oral history of the Hawiyes attest to that. Isaaqs have never travelled South en-masse let alone stake any claim to Mogadishu. That man is high on crack.

 

[Zak12]

He is truly low Iq and he also tried to claim that the Ruler of Mogadishu was from Berbera when Ibn Batuta said he was a Berbari- a term he called all Somalis.
When Ibn Battuta visited Mogadishu (Xamar) around 1331, he wrote in his Rihla (travelogue):



He never said he is from Berbera.


The term "Berberi" (برْبَريّ) as used by Arab and Islamic geographers in the medieval period referred broadly to the inhabitants of the Somali coast — not specifically to people from the city of Berbera.
It comes from the phrase "Bilad al-Barbar" (Land of the Berbers), which in the Islamic world meant the land of the Somalis — from Zeila and Berbera in the north to Kismayo and beyond in the south.

Even if he was from Berbera let’s say, in the 1300s Hawiyes were making their way southwards any way. That is basic Somali history and Oral history of the Hawiyes attest to that. Isaaqs have never travelled South en-masse let alone stake any claim to Mogadishu. That man is high on crack.

Let him say what he wants. Somalis back home know their history and clan lineages very well so crackpot theories like that are irrelevant.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Notifications told me this bimbo quoted me & mentioned me. I once actually thought she was intelligent but clearly it’s all facade. Her head is empty and her pride reaches the heavens. If you were aeast funny I wouldn’t block you. Welcome to the block list bimbo @Angelina

 

[reer]

I will mention it as much as I want. It shows how stupid many Somalis including yourself are. You are nothing but the typical moryaan. You fight other Somalis who are the same as you and tomorrow you will turn on your ilmo Abti as well. You low IQ khat head. The Arab poem fits your sick ilk perfectly.

Show me where it said the Marehan were traitors. Show me. You’re actually a dirty liar. Marehan are in fact a key generals in the army you low IQ donkey. One of the most prominent generals in the Imam's army was Garad Ahmed bin Hirabu (or Hirabo), who was from the Marehan clan. He is frequently mentioned in the text as a brave and effective military leader.

Ibn Batuta saying that the Sultan of Mogadishu was from Berbera means nothing. We literally have oral history that many Hawiye sub clan forefathers were buried in the North. Somalis are nomadic pastoralists that move about. That isn’t what you think it is you nacaas. Abgaal and the founder of Habr Gidir grave is said to buried in the North.

I really can’t be asked with the waffle of a mad Xaywaan crying about genocide when you’d probably slaughter your fellow non Lander SL members.

You can’t make this up . Also pick a point, one minute I’m illiterate the next minute say I haven’t read it

I’d write my usual paragraphs but I really do believe that you’re mentally insane. There is qabilism and then there is you. You take it to a level that is clearly Khat induced.

People like you are honorless. Disrespectful and have no aklaaq and adhab. Very low class in every aspect.

nur mujahid was marehan.

 

[Garaad Awal]

not him we wuzzing xamar history i just can't

Would you ethno facists rather it be me than the cadcad’s you genocided & despise?


“His name is Abu Bakr ibn Shaikh Omar, and by race he is originally from Berbera (huwa fi’l‑asl min al‑Barbara). He talks in the language of Mogadishu but knows Arabic.” Habar Magaadle victory

 

[Angelina]

Notifications told me this bimbo quoted me & mentioned me. I once actually thought she was intelligent but clearly it’s all facade. Her head is empty and her pride reaches the heavens. If you were aeast funny I wouldn’t block you. Welcome to the block list bimbo @Angelina

I’m definitely and infinitely more intelligent than you. Firstly you’re stupid enough to believe that when Ibn Batuta mentioned the Sultan of Mogadishu as being from your ends. Your dumb ass thought he was from Berbera- what do you think he is? HA or HY? A Berberi is a word he used for ALL Somalis.

As for your claim for Marehan being traitors and not soldiers, Ahmed’s close generals were Marehan. That is explicitly mentioned whilst your clansmen are unmentioned foot soldiers.

Take a rest and sit this one out. By all means block me. But don’t start shit and cry about it when you’re caught out for your lies and Low IQ qabilst garbage points.

I’m not here to entertain nacaasnimo like this.

 

[Angelina]

Would you ethno facists rather it be me than the cadcad’s you genocided & despise?


“His name is Abu Bakr ibn Shaikh Omar, and by race he is originally from Berbera (huwa fi’l‑asl min al‑Barbara). He talks in the language of Mogadishu but knows Arabic.” Habar Magaadle victory

Wallahi, if he was a Northerner I wouldn’t care. Better a Somali than an Arab. But I’m cussing you out because you’re such a liar that can’t differentiate between Batuta calling all Somalis Berberi and someone being from Berbera.

Unlike you, I’m not the one praying that it was an Arab ruling over my ass when it was in fact likely a Darood. I.M Lewis who spent years speaking to northerners, first starting his historical and anthropological research mostly in British SL noted that the oral history of the region all thought he was a Darood. Even your great great grandfathers thought it was a Darood leading Adal and the main generals explicitly mentioned by name was Marehan.

Somali history is so much more than your Qabilst low IQ garbage takes.

 

[chut]

Wallahi, if he was a Northerner I wouldn’t care. Better a Somali than an Arab. But I’m cussing you out because you’re such a liar that can’t differentiate between Batuta calling all Somalis Berberi and someone being from Berbera.

Unlike you, I’m not the one praying that it was an Arab ruling over my ass when it was in fact likely a Darood. I.M Lewis who spent years speaking to northerners, first starting his historical and anthropological research mostly in British SL noted that the oral history of the region all thought he was a Darood. Even your great great grandfathers thought it was a Darood leading Adal and the main generals explicitly mentioned by name was Marehan.

Somali history is so much more than your Qabilst low IQ garbage takes.

Sybau with your darood propaganda, idc about your beef with garaad awal but you're trying to drag all isaaqs into this. If you want to know real oral somali history learn it from somali poems because that's where most of our history is preserved but idk if your somali is good enough for that.

In oral history isaaq believe the toljecle subclan of isaaq were the leaders of isaaq not Darood.

 

[Moon-]

Would you ethno facists rather it be me than the cadcad’s you genocided & despise?

When did this happen

“His name is Abu Bakr ibn Shaikh Omar, and by race he is originally from Berbera (huwa fi’l‑asl min al‑Barbara). He talks in the language of Mogadishu but knows Arabic.” Habar Magaadle victory

desperate hotep attempt ibna battuta referred to the somalis as barbara and the Somali coast as bahr al barbara. wax baro

He described the inhabitants as “Barbara,” Muslim blacks who were followers of the Imam al- Shafi’i, although Battuta notes that the majority were “rejectors,” i.e. (Shi’ite) people who rejected the first three caliphs.

Marka, to the east (south) of Hafuni, in the celebrated land of Barbara, on the seacoast is found Marka whose inhabitants are Muslim. It is the Capital of the country of the Hawiya which contains more than 50 villages on the banks of the river branching out from the Nil Maqdish

. The river after running for about 2,000 miles mouths at the east of Magdachou. At the eastern side of the Nile ends the land of Berbera (Bilad al Barbariyya) and begins the land of the Zendj. (Bilad az-Zanj).

https://pieterderideaux.jimdofree.com/5-contents-1201-1300/ibn-said-al-maghribi-1250/
historyofeastafrica/ibnsaid-al-maghribi-1

Ibn Battuta Travels to Mogadishu City In 1331. - Visit Mogadishu

History of Mogadishu “The long journey IBN Battuta to Mogadishu” In the spring of 1331

visitmogadishu.com

Barbaria (region) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[chut]

I can’t believe a fool like who is relying on guesswork is questioning the history of other Somalis.

I don't agree with some of garaad awals points but it's ironic that you are telling him that he's relying on guesswork when you've made statements like this:

Ahmed was guessed to be those qabils by the guesses of historians. Despite ruling over the North, no one thinks he is Isaaq. That’s the facts and you can cry your self to sleep.

I wouldn’t go there tbh. I have no knowledge of the Ajuran empire but what has been written about Adal shows that Isaaqs probably weren’t involved. One sub-clan mentioned might have been a Isaaq subclan- I hope it is, would be cool, yet historical scholars believe it was likely Dir.

Saying things like "he was guessed to be those qabils" and "isaaqs probably weren’t part of the adal empire" shows that you are relying on guesswork.