How to Implement Sharia in Somalia

[Omar del Sur]

proof

you really don't know that? if you really don't know that, you have to not really understand their ideology. it is built into their ideology.

 

[Muzaffer]

revolution is revolution.... the fundamental aim of revolution is to change the system... whether armed or not armed is just the means

MBH wasn't that much of a threat and they didn't support armed uprise but Taliban was already an armed group even when SISI overthrow Morsi the MBH refused to take arms.

 

[Muzaffer]

you really don't know that? if you really don't know that, you have to not really understand their ideology. it is built into their ideology.

and even if what you say is true it makes sense you must unite the Muslims even if they have some false beliefs you cant build a nation just by Salafis.

and I said that MBH is a modern Islamic movement not like Taliban which is a fundamental Islamic movement

 

[Omar del Sur]

and even if what you say is true it makes sense you must unite the Muslims even if they have some false beliefs you cant build a nation just by Salafis.

and I said that MBH is a modern Islamic movement not like Taliban which is a fundamental Islamic movement

we don't need to be united with Shia, types like Ilhan Omar, Yasir Qadhi, etc... and we especially can't allow them in high positions... can you imagine what a joke it would be for Muslims to die for a revolution and then an Ilhan Omar type ends up dictating policy after the "victory"?

 

[Muzaffer]

we don't need to be united with Shia, types like Ilhan Omar, Yasir Qadhi, etc... and we especially can't allow them in high positions... can you imagine what a joke it would be for Muslims to die for a revolution and then an Ilhan Omar type ends up dictating policy after the "victory"?

MBH want slow revival not blitzkrieg like Taliban

 

[Omar del Sur]

I mean can you imagine.... you haven't even started the revolution yet but you have all these shia, ilhan omar liberal types on your team.... you haven't even started the revolution and you have to make a bunch of compromises so you can keep the shia and the liberals happy.....you are the emir of the Islamic revolution, allegedly.... but you can't anger shia or liberals..... you've already lost, you've already sold out before you even get started....

it should be a fundamental principle before you even get started that you absolutely will not sell out the Islamic principles..... otherwise what is even the point? would you really want to sacrifice for the sake of some kind of watered-down fake version of the sharia?

The President Of The Muslim Brotherhood Said: Cutting The Hand Of The Thief Is Not From The Shari'ah




I mean what the heck is the point? you're going to have an Islamic revolution but stoning adulterers is politically incorrect so after people sacrifice their lives and you "win" you are just going to toss a couple pebbles at the adulterers and give them a stern look of disapproval?

what on the earth is the point of such a revolution????

the Muslim Brotherhood literally are in favor of secular liberal democracy..... they talk all this Islamic stuff but when you study their actual platform they want a secular liberal democracy... people can try to spice up secular liberal democracy with some religious-sounding slogans but we have to look at the substance and not just the slogans

do you really want an Islamic revolution so you can say raheemAllah on the pope? this is the problem when you compromise on doctrine. either you uphold the doctrine IN ITS INTEGRITY or there is no point.





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what kind of Islamic revolution is this? this is a joke. we have Afghanistan. they won and they didn't sell out. we don't need this wrong and bizarre model.


The Muslim Brotherhood Want A Civil [= Secular] State




An Islamic revolution... to establish a secular democracy?????? what is the point of any of this??????

 

[Omar del Sur]

MBH want slow revival not blitzkrieg like Taliban

a slow revival by waging a revolution fisabi secular democracy???? what are they reviving? Thomas Jefferson?

 

[Omar del Sur]

General Zia pushed for the Islamization and the building of an Islamic social system in Pakistan. He is worth studying. He used peaceful means but you don't see him selling out like the mb did.

In fact Zia imo has a lot to do with the Taliban victory in Afghanistan. He helped the Afghanis to defeat the Soviets and helped lay the groundwork.

 

[Muzaffer]

a slow revival by waging a revolution fisabi secular democracy???? what are they reviving? Thomas Jefferson?

so you want to take people who lived under secularism and many decades and turn them into Islamic in few years.

yes, support to start with the secular state then slowly change it.


turkey before NDE and Erdogan and turkey after isn't the same, yes he didn't make it an Islamic nation but he did his best.

زياد عن مالك قال: قال عبد الملك بن عمر بن عبد العزيز لأبيه: يا أبت، مالك لا تنفذ الأمور؟ فو الله ما أبالي لو أن القدور غلت بي وبك في الحق! قال له عمر: لا تعجل يا بنيّ؛ فإنّ الله ذمّ الخمر في القرآن مرتين وحرّمها في الثالثة، وأنا أخاف أن أحمل الحق على الناس جملة فيدفعونه جملة ويكون من ذلك فتنة

so if MBH starts applies sharia quickly the people will overthrow them. this is politics you can see it easy while you sitting in your house but they are in danger all the time.

 

[Omar del Sur]

so you want to take people who lived under secularism and many decades and turn them into Islamic in few years.

yes, support to start with the secular state then slowly change it.

look- the Islamic revolution should implement the sharia.... not a watered-down joke version of the sharia... otherwise there is no point....

and we should be against secular democracy, not in favor of it

and as far as gradualism... General Zia took a gradual approach... he didn't take Pakistan into full sharia overnight.... but he also didn't sellout and start preaching a secular state or sell out his principles.... gradualism is not an excuse for selling out your principles.... or what should be one's principles

 

[Omar del Sur]

and this I think is ridiculous

"we are hardcore warriors for Islam, fighting for secular democracy"?

if you're a warrior for Islam, fight for Islam, not for secular democracy

Zia took the gradualist approach without selling out and no one else has any excuse

 

[Omar del Sur]

you have to have principles that you're not willing to budge on.

 

[Omar del Sur]

let me propose a thought experiment:

you have two options

A- You can become influential within the government. You can become a member of Congress. A high-up elite has offered to have it arranged. However- you have to endorse feminism, lgbt, you have to attend a pride march, you have to give speeches in defense of democracy and secularism and you have to praise the US forces in Afghanistan and denounce the Taliban.

B- You remain as an ordinary person but you remain true to your principles.

What is the correct option? The kind of thing in A is exactly what NOT to do. And let's be real- that's the MB type approach. You sell out your principles in exchange for advancement. It's not even clear whether you are fighting on behalf of principles or just for power. It isn't really different than someone selling out their principles for money or whatever other form of personal gain. There has to be lines that you as a Muslim are not willing to cross.

 

[Muzaffer]

let me propose a thought experiment:

you have two options

A- You can become influential within the government. You can become a member of Congress. A high-up elite has offered to have it arranged. However- you have to endorse feminism, lgbt, you have to attend a pride march, you have to give speeches in defense of democracy and secularism and you have to praise the US forces in Afghanistan and denounce the Taliban.

B- You remain as an ordinary person but you remain true to your principles.

What is the correct option? The kind of thing in A is exactly what NOT to do. And let's be real- that's the MB type approach. You sell out your principles in exchange for advancement. It's not even clear whether you are fighting on behalf of principles or just for power. It isn't really different than someone selling out their principles for money or whatever other form of personal gain. There has to be lines that you as a Muslim are not willing to cross.

MBH didn't sell anything and they suffered a lot.

i think you don't anything about (amn aldawla)

 

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