How long until Somalia becomes Safe and Stable
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The "south" cannot get their shit together where Al-shabaab runs around powerful backed by our enemies. A weak FG and corrupt clan elders.
exposedmeat
i do it anyway i like
kill off those elders c@n't wallahi am tired of elders running everything, All elders leaders should be beheaded,
Desert Flower
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There is too many who have a vested interest in ensuring that Somalia is a chaotic, failed state. This also includes corrupt politicians.
I don't think Somalia will see stability that is similar to pre-civil war.
I don't think Somalia will see stability that is similar to pre-civil war.
4.5 System has helped it. I wouldn't mind having a Lords and Commons system like now they have in the UK. Where the Lords have some power but the Commons which is elected by the common man has the majority of the power.
Looks like the somaliland folks up there have figured out how to have a stable government and extremely low crime rate.
So maybe, it still kinda possible... I think...
We need some form of secularism but telling a Somali about a so-called "western idea" is like telling him to shoot himself in the face. So 3000 years like the jews it is then...
I hate to appear as a pessimist and ruin this kind of discussion but from what it seems like , if we were to address this realistically , despite the mixed reactions I will receive.
The direction it is currently facing is not what the average person would call it stable.
Infact the living conditions , human prosperity and justice are terrible by all standards.
Which led to the mass exodus of people , this year alone we have witnessed families fleeing to the Kenyan border , in search for a better life and tranquility which this country lacks.
Somalia is recognised on the map but that was never the case on the ground, Mogadishu itself can barely manage the territory without the assistance of foreign mercenaries, Amisom and police task force of other nationalities.
If we were to withdraw these foreign entities , Mogadishu alone, would return to AS authority , take the retreating of SNA from towns and villages as core examples.
They are in no position to takeover any territory in Somalia and remember the country is too fractured and weak to consolidate power for a centralised state.
Federalism were only applied to deter separatist entities from further secession , thus gave these federalists the full scale of autonomy which played a major factor weakening the ability of Somalia's governance.
Infact the government of Villa Somalia are irrelevant and the entirety of the fault are not within the autonomous states that are out of jurisdiction but the clowns running that circus , remember the good for nothing politicians take every visits to Nairobi or Addis Ababa for debriefing.
So it's highly unlikely to see these so called representatives as independent consultants , governing self rule instead their every actions are dictated.
Sometimes you'd wonder , that Somalia as a whole are in the making of Ethiopia's 10th kilil.
And it's not conspiracy but
political delinquents , prostitute politicians have been auctioning to outsiders for a very long time , they are what is wrong with Somalia.
We have to acknowledge the harsh realities if we were to pinpoint the exact obstacles undermining Somalia's sovereignty then the future wouldn't look dimmer.
It would not be suprising if we cease exist as a nation in the following 30 years let alone inserting false hope , giving the circumstances that we indulge ourselves with delusions, illogicality , reminiscences of the past, denial of wrongdoings, Qabiil affiliations, wishful thinking and our very own overexaggerated egos.
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exposedmeat
i do it anyway i like
we don't need no secular bs, we need somalinimo
How's that working out for us? Always one shouting somalinimo but doesn't understand the world has moved on and we have been left behind for nearly 30 plus years now. You can have Somalinimo and secularism or at least a version that we come up with. Just because something is foreign doesn't mean it cant be good for us. You take something good and work it and mold it to suit yourself.
The problem with Somalia (at least where mass instability is prevalent) is the lukewarm attitude & complacency toward the dire predicament that Somalia is in. Many, including those who live in the diaspora, are absolutely fine with how thing are operated within the country. They, no matter how many times you tell them, would continuously sacrifice whatever that is left of the country in order further their personal or tribal interests.
Somalia is like the kid who’s failing his Course. The class average is about, say, 75, and Somalia’s is like 30 (im being very generous with this figure). Instead of feeling the absolute shame of not only failing the course, but also failing to such a degree never witnessed before, Somalia willfully accepts its status as the worst student in class (reference to ‘failed state’). If you, hypothetically, were Somalia, how the hell would you feel, knowing that you’re regarded with such disgrace? Where’s the urgency to scrap things up and our shit together?
If this was any other group, they would, at very least, try to carry itself up from being the worst of the worst. This is the very, very least one can do.
We need to reawaken the sense of urgency in Somalia.
Somalia is like the kid who’s failing his Course. The class average is about, say, 75, and Somalia’s is like 30 (im being very generous with this figure). Instead of feeling the absolute shame of not only failing the course, but also failing to such a degree never witnessed before, Somalia willfully accepts its status as the worst student in class (reference to ‘failed state’). If you, hypothetically, were Somalia, how the hell would you feel, knowing that you’re regarded with such disgrace? Where’s the urgency to scrap things up and our shit together?
If this was any other group, they would, at very least, try to carry itself up from being the worst of the worst. This is the very, very least one can do.
We need to reawaken the sense of urgency in Somalia.
Looks like another Afghanistan to me.
It is sad to see that a country with so much potential is barely relevant on the map.
Is balkanization better in your opinion?
TLDR: We are absolutely fucked...
Westernization could maybe work.
Our government is incredibly western in Djibouti, we have diversity of religion (many cadaan and xabashi) and young people here tend to be more open minded.
Desert Flower
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I wouldn’t be so smug. There are stories coming out all the time of women and children being raped (it’s all over Somalia, including the northern region). Crime is an issue there as well.
Like @AbdiS said, we’re complacent in being at the bottom and are too busy rationalizing it (”Oh, at least we’re not at 0% but we’re failing at 15% instead. Ya see? We’re doing great!”) It’s that level of denial that prohibits progress because we don’t even believe there’s an issue that needs fixing in the first place.
As time goes on, the diaspora will be far removed from Somalia and I don’t see us really putting in effort to rehabilitate a nation that most of our parents generation washed their hands off of, and we ourselves don’t have much of a connection with.
Desert Flower
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Djibouti is interesting because there hasn’t been much development. You’d think a country that hasn’t had a war and is in a strategically located area would be more established.
Oh damn I didnt know about that..
Yes a this rate, most of the diaspora will give up on this country and just completely integrate in their native country. Looks like the Ogaden, somali kenyan and Djibouti will try to carry the somali name.
Big facts. How we supposed to fix a country our own parents have given up on and the ones that do go back facilitate the corruption and placate the al Shabab degenerates that have taken over parts of the country. Add in the identity crisis the diaspora generation faces and further add second-generation immigrants now have their own kids who will be further removed from the homeland.
It's africa lol
but the thing is, development only started with the current president. The previous one who was president until 1999 didnt do much. But the country is still young and it's only getting better.
You also have to note that Djibouti is much much younger than other african countries, most african countries got their independant in the early 1960's but Djibouti only 1977. At least the djiboutians are doing better financially than ethiopians malians chadians south sudanese etc...
Having spent 12 years there, I would say that it's alright compared to Ethiopia.
