How did PL Government overcome Al-Shabaab & did PSF play a huge factor in achieving that?

[Macawisley]

I have a question for Puntlanders on this section, how did you guys overcome Al-Shabab? How long did it take & did PSF achieve it & are there any Shabab still remaining in PL territory?

PL currently controls one of the largest free regions in the nation 700kms worth roads that are not blockaded by Shabaab.

I want to take some notes & ensure my state Hirshabelle goes the same route to open up our blockaded roads that connects south to north that has been paralysed by Al-Shabaab.

 

[SPMLegend]

Altough I’m not from Puntland I do know that Puntland defeated Al Itihad al islaamiya armed wing in Mudug & Bari regions before Alshabab came into existence. Thanks to president Abdullahi Yusuf’s early resistance he saved the state from suicide bombing & other terrorist activities before Al-Shabab formed into what its known for today.

 

[SPMLegend]

For the remaining states under Alshabab occupation or threats they need to take lessons from the military offensives that took place against ISIS in Iraq & Syria. Al-Shabab is a virus that needs to be eradicated entirely.

 

[Macawisley]

For the remaining states under Alshabab occupation or threats they need to take lessons from the military offensives that took place against ISIS in Iraq & Syria. Al-Shabab is a virus that needs to be eradicated entirely.

Do you have any links or documentaries that I could watch on that. Very interesting

 

[SPMLegend]

Do you have any links or documentaries that I could watch on that. Very interesting

ISIS is the reason why Iraq is now militarily & politically occupied by Iran. They gave the west & Iran the green lights to exterminate Al sunnah (Sunnis) living in the country.

 

[World]

I think it’s because power was consolidated in northern/north west Somalia after the civil war, it’s not clan mixed as well and borders are clear between clans. Puntland faced terrorists before any other region like al itihad who captured bosaso and garowe, however they were defeated and since then islamists have never gotten a stronghold in the region and have been disarmed.

 

[Manafesto]

I think it’s because power was consolidated in northern/north west Somalia after the civil war, it’s not clan mixed as well and borders are clear between clans. Puntland faced terrorists before any other region like al itihad who captured bosaso and garowe, however they were defeated and since then islamists have never gotten a stronghold in the region and have been disarmed.

I agree on the power consolidation part but there is no terrorists In Puntland, May be a lone sleeper cell terrorist, if there was a terrorists in Puntland there would have been bombings daily like the chaotic south.

 

[Removed]

States that were formed after AS will not be able to take the same path. We are fighting what has taken roots in our own home before we did.

If anything we have to mimmick the ICU/AS and its rise against the warlords.

 

[World]

I agree on the power consolidation part but there is no terrorists In Puntland, May be a lone sleeper cell terrorist, if there was a terrorists in Puntland there would have been bombings daily like the chaotic south.

I agree I didn’t say there were terrorists in Puntland. Only isolated individuals who have to hide in mountains.

 

[beerdilacshe]

first of all alhamdoulilah for the peace and security in puntland, secondly the main reason i think puntland is peaceful is bcoz of the local people who are the first block to any insecurities, shabab can’t survive their example in 2016 they attacked suj and garmal in puntland, the locals refused to give water and food and started taking arms before the psf came

 

[InaShaqalle]

The peace and stability of Puntland is because of, rather than despite, it's maximum autonomy from the national government and this shows that Somalia should not have a strong federal government nor a single military for the whole country

 

[Manafesto]

of all alhamdoulilah for the peace and security in puntland, secondly the main reason i think puntland is peaceful is bcoz of the local people who are the first block to any insecurities, shabab can’t survive their example in 2016 they attacked suj and garmal in puntland, the locals refused to give water and food and started taking arms before the psf came

Punctures are quiet civilized and more educated than the average Somali citizens, when I was in PL sheikh and religious sermon speakers are at mosques preaching the true Form and the teachings of the religion.

No one would fall for the Alshabaab recruiterers in PL because they are well versed in islam,the lack of basic islamic education in the south Is why it is recruiting center.

 

[World]

The peace and stability of Puntland is because of, rather than despite, it's maximum autonomy from the national government and this shows that Somalia should not have a strong federal government nor a single military for the whole country

There doesn’t exist a country in the world with more than one military.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Others mentioned a lot of reasons but for me, we don’t defend our khawarij like other regions. Take example of the recent 18 terrorists that were executed in Galkacyo. 6 of them were from Galkacyo belonging to the dominant clan there but no one come out defending them. Compare that from those on the list from other regions. We were getting death threats from their elders daily that they would attack our people in xamar if they were killed. Look at roboow for example, the guy is getting defended by the people he abused the most. Same Hassan Dahir Aweys who was one of the founders of this sickness in Somalia. I’m sure if the kebab spokesperson Cali Dheere was to be captured, he will be defended by his elders and will get similar deals to Robow and Aweys. Anaga when we capture that old MJ qashin leading the 50 to 100 misguided fools hiding in the mountains, we will kill him.

 

[Laagite]

PL beat Alshabaab because unlike other regions of Somalia they help the people 1st. PSF, Darawiish and PMPF regularly do charity work in nomadic communities this bolstered the sense of nationhood among the communities of PL.


How many Hiirshabelle presidents/mps/wasiirs visit the areas they hail from, now compare that with PL presidents/wasiirs/mps and their contribution to the local communities, can we say that Hiirshabelle is a state?


The security doesn't come from ciidan it comes from the people.

 

[Laagite]

Others mentioned a lot of reasons but for me, we don’t defend our khawarij like other regions. Take example of the recent 18 terrorists that were executed in Galkacyo. 6 of them were from Galkacyo belonging to the dominant clan there but no one come out defending them. Compare that from those on the list from other regions. We were getting death threats from their elders daily that they would attack our people in xamar if they were killed. Look at roboow for example, the guy is getting defended by the people he abused the most. Same Hassan Dahir Aweys who was one of the founders of this sickness in Somalia. I’m sure if the kebab spokesperson Cali Dheere was to be captured, he will be defended by his elders and will get similar deals to Robow and Aweys. Anaga when we capture that old MJ qashin leading the 50 to 100 misguided fools hiding in the mountains, we will kill him.

Gen. Siciid Dheere will bring his futo madoobe to Garowe inshallah

 

[World]

Another thing is that Puntland is quite unique compared to other areas in Somalia, before colonialism their sultan wasnt ceremonial as was the case in other regions in Somalia but they actually held authority and taxed their nomads, farmers, etc. No other Somali sultan was taxing their nomads and had tax revenue etc like a government. They had a history of state building before colonialism compared to other regions which I admire. I think this translated well to modern day Puntland.

 

[peacemaker]

Punctures are quiet civilized and more educated than the average Somali citizens, when I was in PL sheikh and religious sermon speakers are at mosques preaching the true Form and the teachings of the religion.

No one would fall for the Alshabaab recruiterers in PL because they are well versed in islam,the lack of basic islamic education in the south Is why it is recruiting center.

sadly this is the truth

this is why alshabab are from certain clans in central somalia

these clans became somali a few hundred years ago and were thus made muslims more recent than say Harti or Absame clans

we need to accept central somalia clans do strange things like grave worhsip,

you can even get a fake sheikh who murders by day and preaches by night,

its a lack of deen and deep cilmi about islam,

 

[peacemaker]

Another thing is that Puntland is quite unique compared to other areas in Somalia, before colonialism their sultan wasnt ceremonial as was the case in other regions in Somalia but they actually held authority and taxed their nomads, farmers, etc. No other Somali sultan was taxing their nomads and had tax revenue etc like a government. They had a history of state building before colonialism compared to other regions which I admire. I think this translated well to modern day Puntland.

majerteenia was a Kingdom in its own right, ist why Italains called it after Mj

Just Like Ogadeniya having their own history

Just like Jubaland under Ogaden Sultans

Notice how only Dhulbahante with Sayid in somaliland,

MJ in puntland and

Ogadens in Jubaland and NFD and even deep inside kenya like mountain kenya, Nairobi etc

and Ogadeniya fought back the colonisers

notice how Ogadens did not just fight the British in Jubaland, but from Harara, Jigjiga with Jidwaq/Absame, Qoraxey and all the way deep down to NFD, Tanaland, Girigi and even around nairobi, mountain kenya etc

notice how isaaq did not do any fighting in somaliland but was Harti and Sayidka and Ogaden soldiers

and notice how in central somalia no somali clan fought the colonisers except for Biomal in Marka ?

notice how certain tribes in central somalia did f*ck all to fight back gaalo

they were not sleeping, they were savage primitive cawan with no concept of defending thy honour

no more intelligent than an animal, sleeping around eating grass

Harti, Absame and Biomal are the true heroes if truth be told who fought the British

Mj it was Cumar Muxamuud, and Dhulo, Ogaden itwas every OG sub clan and also Jidwaaq

Biomal it was them, these clans fought the most

question is what were other somali clans doing except chew grass?

if i had a time machine, would love to visited these other clans and brought huge grass and fed them, asking them why they did not fight back

 

[Throughbred]

Young men who leave their homes to fight for terrorist groups in Syria mainly come from disadvantaged backgrounds, have low levels of education and "lack any basic understanding of the true meaning of jihad or even the Islamic faith", according to a new report.
A study for the United Nations Office of Counter-Terrorism found that despite claiming to protect Muslims, most of the returned fighters were "novices" in their religion and some did not know how to pray properly.

"Most saw their religion in terms of justice and injustice rather than in terms of piety and spirituality," said the authors of the report, which was based on interviews with 43 people from 12 countries.

They found that a typical fighter "is most likely to be male, young and disadvantaged economically, educationally, and in terms of the labour market".

"He is also more likely than not to come from a marginalised background, both socially and politically," the reported added.

ISIS: UN Study Finds Foreign Fighters Lack Basic Understanding of Islam

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