How Come Slaves Weren’t granted Freedom After they converted to Islam?

GemState

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The hard pill to swallow is that Islam doesn't have a problem with slavery, I think it does have a problem with mistreating your slave but ownership of another human being is considered halal.
Even if the slave converts to Islam and he runs away from his master, it's a sin.
They banned slavery in Saudi Arabia 50 years ago, and 99% of the slaves were Muslims.
Basically this, it's probably the most difficult thing to accept but slavery in Islam isn't a issue. Madow women would still be openly sold to get raped from Mauritania to Medina if the West didn't pressure the Arabs to stop.

Tran Saharan slave trade was far worse than the transatlantic.
 

Qeelbax

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Basically this, it's probably the most difficult thing to accept but slavery in Islam isn't a issue. Madow women would be openly sold to get raped from Mauritania to Medina if the West didn't pressure the Arabs to stop
Rape is strictly haram even if it’s a slave. The hell are some of you lot smoking.
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under islamic point of view slave trade is halal.

No, it is not. It is haram.

Islam's approach is ending slavery in twofold: 1) Outlawing Muslims from enslaving other Muslims 2) ending the practice gradually for those who were already in captivity. On the second option, Islam recognized this problem existed; therefore, it has laid down on how they should be treated humanely.

For instance, for those who were already in captivity, they can demand their freedom. And once they do, Muslims are obligated to afford it to them.

However, for those who can't request depending upon their situation (i.e;, prisoners of war, etc), Islam laid the foundation of how they would be treated humanely.
 

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No, it is not. It is haram.

Islam's approach is ending slavery in twofold: 1) Outlawing Muslims from enslaving other Muslims 2) ending the practice gradually for those who were already in captivity. On the second option, Islam recognized this problem existed; therefore, it has laid down on how they should be treated humanely.

For instance, for those who were already in captivity, they can demand their freedom. And once they do, Muslims are obligated to afford it to them.

However, for those who can't request depending upon their situation (i.e;, prisoners of war, etc), Islam laid the foundation of how they would be treated humanely.
youre dancing over the subject. slavery was present in madinah under omar bin khattab. omar was killed by a persian slave abu lu'lu'ah al majoosi.
 
I’ve been thinking about this? How can another muslim hold another muslim as a “slave”? There’s the whole you can’t go and enslave a muslim but if a muslim converts to islam they aren’t granted automatic freedom?
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I just came back from Taraweeh and I’d like an answer.
Don’t say because then everyone would’ve converted. During ottoman conquest, if gaals converted to Islam they wouldn’t have to pay that extra tax, and that’s why many converted. So why doesn’t that apply to slavery? Despite islamic rules on slavery, arabs were very brutal slaveholders and we can see that till this day, so why weren’t Muslim converts granted freedom?

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Also non muslim in muslim lands couldn’t be enslaved aka dhimmis. I would say the majority of slaves held by muslims were illegally enslaved because arabs would go and attack and steal black and sometimes european slaves like literal kidnapping which is unislamic. Attacking random villages in southeast Africa isn’t no jihad.
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Arabs man….our whole image is ruined because of them. Not slapping every other arab on site is my personal jihad, my internal struggle. Ya allah swt why do they have such a big population? Somalis deserve to be 400 million and arabs 30 million or less.
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Imagine converting to a religion that literally hates you. And their people see you as slaves.
 

GemState

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Rape is strictly haram even if it’s a slave. The hell are some of you lot smoking.
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It's not, All four law schools also have a consensus that the master can marry off his female slave to someone else without her consent. A master can also practice coitus interruptus during sex with his female slave without her permission, If a man marries off his own female slave and has sex with her even though he is then no longer allowed to have sexual intercourse with her, that sex is still considered a lesser offence than zina and the jurists say he must NOT be punished. It is noteworthy that while formulating this ruling, it is the slave woman's marriage and not her consent which is an issue. For most of human history, human beings have not thought of things like consent as the essential feature of morally correct sexual activity. We're looking at it through 21st century rationale

Concubines could complain to judges if they were being sexually abused, but that's about it.

People like @Roorigeg are trying to dance around it, slavery is totally fine in Islam. Which is why modern scholars avoid this topic like the plague.
 
Islam started in the 7th century CE. Slavery was the norm in all civilizations back then. Hell there still is slavery now just look at the cheap labour factories in china, south east asian, africa, etc. Thank god for oil and industry because most people today would also be slaves or farmers if we did not have them.

Also the quran encourages freeing slaves so at least there is that.
 

Omar del Sur

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I think if people formulate their own ideas about right and wrong, independently of Islam, then they try to apply these standards to Islam and test to see if Islam meets these standards- this is just setting oneself up for problems in their imaan.

I think the best thing is to just study what Islam says and then formulate your moral views based on what Islam says.

When Ibrahim (peace be upon him) saw a dream where God commanded him to sacrifice his son Ismael, he didn't start thinking about whether this violates human rights or whatever- he was about to do it and he didn't question.

The best thing is to be like Ibrahim (peace be upon him). Whatever Islam says is right. It came from God, the whole religion is a gift to us from God. If you have confidence that Islam is always right, you will feel peace in your heart and you will feel happy and content. You will not be overwhelmed by worldly problems because you will know the real concern is the akhirah.

But if you adopt these outside moral frameworks that you think sound good and then try to measure Islam by these outside frameworks... you'll feel anxious, you'll doubt, you'll feel unhappy and uncertain.

I think legit cases of slavery are very rare now. I think the only way these days to legit own slaves is if there is jihad, then you are allowed to enslave the people on the enemy side. I don't know all the details about slavery but whatever Islam says about slavery or any other issue is absolutely right and perfectly moral, no matter what any non-Islamic frameworks say. All kinds of problems start when people get influenced by these non-Islamic frameworks.

edit: none of this is meant towards OP, just this general issue of slavery in Islam.
 
Allah can ban alcohol n pork but nah damn we gotta keep that slavery shit going because it was ingrained in society blah blah. @Qeelbax you young finish your education before you have your omg it was all a lie moment. Believe me you don't want to have your existential crisis trying to find apologist for slavery and other shit in the deen.

Edit: @Liban89 come karbaash these slavery apologist before we get the classic "it was different to the gaalo slavery"
 
youre dancing over the subject. slavery was present in madinah under omar bin khattab. omar was killed by a persian slave abu lu'lu'ah al majoosi.

You're talking about a concept that you haven't digested. The actions of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) are clear testament to the approach of Islam when it comes to dealing with people in captivity (i.e., slavery). He advocated for the ending of slavery, PERIOD!
 
To @Qeelbax, just dedicate your energy on how Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah (swt) be upon him) approached and dealt with this topic. I am pretty sure you would come down to the same conclusion as I did.

Lastly, don't waste your time on how other Muslims behaved. This is a topic that requires considerable learning, so actions of others who are not good examples shouldn't guide you. Our best example is Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah (swt) be upon him).

Most importantly, don't let yourself be misinformed by laymen. They tend to take hadiths and ayats in isolation. The broader context is what matters and how the Prophet dealt with is what you should pursue. Allah macak.
 
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To @Qeelbax, just dedicate your energy on how Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah (swt) be upon him) approached and dealt with this topic. I am pretty sure you would come down to the same conclusion as I did.

Lastly, don't waste your time on how other Muslims behaved. This is a topic that requires considerable learning, so actions of others who are not good examples shouldn't guide you. Our best example is Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah (swt) be upon him).

Most importantly, don't let yourself be misinformed by laymen. They tend to take hadiths and ayats in isolation. The broader context is what matters and how the Prophet dealt with is what you should pursue. Allah macak.
 
But this is from an islamic point of view. Just look at how the ottomans are now. Bosnia, turkey, Azerbaijan, albania and kosovo. They are so unreligious, hundreds of years of degeneracy and white worship has turned them into what they are now. This didn’t come from nowhere. During their islamic empires, debauchery and islamic practices were rampent you think when non muslims and cadaans are on top they will suddenly come back to the deen? It came to bite them back in the ass.
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Here are some pictures of Bosnia between 1920-1940

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The reason they aren’t religious today is because communists banned Islam and forced secularism , nothing to do with “ottomans”. The Serbians committed genocide against Muslims in Yugoslavia and oppressed them.
 

Aurelian

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80% of the slaves were enslaved outside of war, so there status as slaves was illegal islamically, but no one would talk about it back then because of the economics benefits. You even see fatwas and Hadith’s pumping up regarding escaped slaves. Which makes you suspicious of there whole madhab
 

Qeelbax

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It's not, All four law schools also have a consensus that the master can marry off his female slave to someone else without her consent. A master can also practice coitus interruptus during sex with his female slave without her permission, If a man marries off his own female slave and has sex with her even though he is then no longer allowed to have sexual intercourse with her, that sex is still considered a lesser offence than zina and the jurists say he must NOT be punished. It is noteworthy that while formulating this ruling, it is the slave woman's marriage and not her consent which is an issue. For most of human history, human beings have not thought of things like consent as the essential feature of morally correct sexual activity. We're looking at it through 21st century rationale

Concubines could complain to judges if they were being sexually abused, but that's about it.

People like @Roorigeg are trying to dance around it, slavery is totally fine in Islam. Which is why modern scholars avoid this topic like the plague.
Why you lying? Are you trying to tell me muslim slaves could be used as concubines and could be raped? Last I checked, the rules of islam and laws of shariah of muslims APPLIES to all muslims. It was infact a mistake to ask a male-dominanted site this question. You guys are sick Authubillah. I’ve already done my research in this topic and all 4 madhabs as well as the Quran/hadith consider forced sex on any non spouse woman as rape. You guys need god.

@GemState @Sheikh Google

you 2 stay out of this thread.
 
Somalis deserve 400 million you tripping lol, Europeans described Somalis as cruel slave owners wallahi and were shocked how ruthless we were
 

Omar del Sur

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If you look at Christians for example- you have the Christians who want to go by what the Bible says and then you have the wussified Christian groups who are hanging up rainbow flags and allowing women pastors, even though women pastors are obviously against the Bible (according to the Bible, a woman isn't even supposed to talk in the church).

Now if you look at Muslims, the Muslims who want to do things according to Quran and Sunnah and according to how the original Muslims understood Islam- it's the Salafis. The Salafis are to Islam kind of like what the Christians who want to stick to the Bible and who refuse to water down their religion are to Christianity.

So what you have is you have this whole coalition to try to bring down the orthodox understanding of Islam- you have a coalition of liberals, feminists, Sufis and the West.

If you're a Salafi then by definition you follow the earliest understanding of Islam and so you cannot be convinced to follow a newer interpretation. Salafis care nothing about modern Western ideology, modern concepts of "human rights" or whatever. They are actively anti-"modernization" (if by "modernization" we mean being Westernized- not things like technology). Salafis are basically the biggest obstacle to Westernization. That's why Saudi is being pressured to move away from Salafiyyah.

This is why you'll have ex-Muslims promoting Sufism and going out of their way to attack Salafis and Salafiyyah. So.... with that coalition.... the liberals, feminists, Sufis and them.... they are actively moving towards that "reformation" of Islam that the West wants... that is how is for individuals and people who follow that line.... and for individuals and people who truly follow Salafiyyah, who truly follow Islam according to the earliest understanding- they'll be protected against having their religion watered-down. That's the boat that protects people from the flood of Westernization and that's why it's attacked as much as it is and why the pro-Westernization people have a special hatred for it.


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just to illustrate what I mean^ look how Sheikh Fawzan cares absolutely nothing about modern Western ideology. Hijab tries to reconcile Islam with the modern Western thinking while Sheikh Fawzan absolutely gives no "f's" and tells it exactly how it is.
 
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El Nino

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Muslim could only slave people they were warring with, am I correct or not? This is basically how I remember the main criteria for a person to be slaved.
 

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