How Come Slaves Weren’t granted Freedom After they converted to Islam?

[Qeelbax]

I’ve been thinking about this? How can another muslim hold another muslim as a “slave”? There’s the whole you can’t go and enslave a muslim but if a muslim converts to islam they aren’t granted automatic freedom?

I just came back from Taraweeh and I’d like an answer.
Don’t say because then everyone would’ve converted. During ottoman conquest, if gaals converted to Islam they wouldn’t have to pay that extra tax, and that’s why many converted. So why doesn’t that apply to slavery? Despite islamic rules on slavery, arabs were very brutal slaveholders and we can see that till this day, so why weren’t Muslim converts granted freedom?



Also non muslim in muslim lands couldn’t be enslaved aka dhimmis. I would say the majority of slaves held by muslims were illegally enslaved because arabs would go and attack and steal black and sometimes european slaves like literal kidnapping which is unislamic. Attacking random villages in southeast Africa isn’t no jihad.

Arabs man….our whole image is ruined because of them. Not slapping every other arab on site is my personal jihad, my internal struggle. Ya allah swt why do they have such a big population? Somalis deserve to be 400 million and arabs 30 million or less.

 

[Odayga_Jabuuti]

The hard pill to swallow is that Islam doesn't have a problem with slavery, I think it does have a problem with mistreating your slave but ownership of another human being is considered halal.
Even if the slave converts to Islam and he runs away from his master, it's a sin.
They banned slavery in Saudi Arabia 50 years ago, and 99% of the slaves were Muslims.

 

[Qeelbax]

Also there is “born into slavery” thing. Does that count for the children of muslim slaves? If muslims can’t be enslaved if they were already muslim then does that apply to their children?

Poor black muslims in arabia, this is an injustice. When a black person says something about arabs I have no face to defend them. When europeans curse them I have no face to defend them. When indians curse them I have no face to defend them.

 

[Man with a garuun]

I’ve been thinking about this? How can another muslim hold another muslim as a “slave”? There’s the whole you can’t go and enslave a muslim but if a muslim converts to islam they aren’t granted automatic freedom?

I just came back from Taraweeh and I’d like an answer.
Don’t say because then everyone would’ve converted. During ottoman conquest, if gaals converted to Islam they wouldn’t have to pay that extra tax, and that’s why many converted. So why doesn’t that apply to slavery? Despite islamic rules on slavery, arabs were very brutal slaveholders and we can see that till this day, so why weren’t Muslim converts granted freedom?



Also non muslim in muslim lands couldn’t be enslaved aka dhimmis. I would say the majority of slaves held by muslims were illegally enslaved because arabs would go and attack and steal black and sometimes european slaves like literal kidnapping which is unislamic. Attacking random villages in southeast Africa isn’t no jihad.

Arabs man….our whole image is ruined because of them. Not slapping every other arab on site is my personal jihad, my internal struggle. Ya allah swt why do they have such a big population? Somalis deserve to be 400 million and arabs 30 million or less.

Slavery is haram in Islam. Most of Muslims are literalists and hardly digested the meaning of the Quranic verses and hadiths.

Why Arabs did this? Because of selfish human greed. Their actions in this instance have nothing to with Islam.

Let us not forget some Somalis were part of the slave trade, so in this instance, our hands aren't clean.

At the end, you shouldn't worry about what other human beings who claimed to be "Muslims" did. You worry about your relationship with Allah (swt) and do your best to improve.

 

[Qeelbax]

The hard pill to swallow is that Islam doesn't have a problem with slavery, I think it does have a problem with mistreating your slave but ownership of another human being is considered halal.
Even if the slave converts to Islam and he runs away from his master, it's a sin.
They banned slavery in Saudi Arabia 50 years ago, and 99% of the slaves were Muslims.

I believe it was one of this things that was meant to faze out eventually but these transgressors just made it worse. Looking back at the arab slave trade it’s all unislamic, they were doing what europeans did to west/central africans. Kunte Kinte type enslavement. Those africans never harmed them, they just went, killed, enslaved, raped, and imposed their arab superiority shit on them.

 

[Odayga_Jabuuti]

Also there is “born into slavery” thing. Does that count for the children of muslim slaves? If muslims can’t be enslaved if they were already muslim then does that apply to their children?

Poor black muslims in arabia, this is an injustice. When a black person says something about arabs I have no face to defend them. When europeans curse them I have no face to defend them. When indians curse them I have no face to defend them.

I don't know about the islamic view on that, but I'm 100% sure that in muslim societies, children of slaves were still slaves.

The worst thing is that in the Ottoman empire, which enslaved all types of people (including 1 million europeans who were enslaved in the Mediterranean Sea), white slaves were given higher positions that black slaves.

 

[Qeelbax]

Slavery is haram in Islam. Most of Muslims are literalists and hardly digested the meaning of the Quranic verses and hadiths.

Why Arabs did this? Because of selfish human greed. Their actions in this instance have nothing to with Islam.

Let us not forget some Somalis were part of the slave trade, so in this instance, our hands aren't clean.

At the end, you shouldn't worry about what other human beings who claimed to be "Muslims" did. You worry about your relationship with Allah (swt) and do your best to improve.

I know some somalis particpated but even then it was a small number and it seems allah swt has cursed us for those transgressions.

I don’t trust them wallahi, I tried to look for info and it was just some scholars and they were going:

“Many scholars subjected slave purchases to the condition that slave should have been "rightfully enslaved" in the first place.”

 

[Odayga_Jabuuti]

I believe it was one of this things that was meant to faze out eventually but these transgressors just made it worse. Looking back at the arab slave trade it’s all unislamic, they were doing what europeans did to west/central africans. Kunte Kinte type enslavement. Those africans never harmed them, they just went, killed, enslaved, raped, and imposed their arab superiority shit on them.

Obviously people will enslave you if you don't protect yourself or if you don't have a strong country to look after your people. But mot african slaves were sold by other africans, so I wouldn't blame the colonisers if the people keep selling each other.

 

[reer]

Slavery is haram in Islam. Most of Muslims are literalists and hardly digested the meaning of the Quranic verses and hadiths.

Why Arabs did this? Because of selfish human greed. Their actions in this instance have nothing to with Islam.

Let us not forget some Somalis were part of the slave trade, so in this instance, our hands aren't clean.

At the end, you shouldn't worry about what other human beings who claimed to be "Muslims" did. You worry about your relationship with Allah (swt) and do your best to improve.

I believe it was one of this things that was meant to faze out eventually but these transgressors just made it worse. Looking back at the arab slave trade it’s all unislamic, they were doing what europeans did to west/central africans. Kunte Kinte type enslavement. Those africans never harmed them, they just went, killed, enslaved, raped, and imposed their arab superiority shit on them.

slavery wasnt racial to the extent that modernity tries to portray. tatars traded and enslaved europeans. ottomans had cadaan slaves. pre islamic arabs had madow and ethiopian and arab slaves. the narrative of "poor madows were seized and taken by ze white man" is false. they were sold by madows and madow-arab mixes and arabs and cadaans.

 

[Qeelbax]

I don't know about the islamic view on that, but I'm 100% sure that in muslim societies, children of slaves were still slaves.

The worst thing is that in the Ottoman empire, which enslaved all types of people (including 1 million europeans who were enslaved in the Mediterranean Sea), white slaves were given higher positions that black slaves.

These turks were sick too. They had freaking male concubines and harems full of hundreds of kidnapped European female concubines, their eunuchs were castrated black young boys.

Prophets, messengers, and sahaba watching this shitshow from heaven like:

 

[senor chang]

These turks were sick too. They had freaking male concubines and harems full of hundreds of European concubines, their eunuchs were casteres black yount boys.

Prophets, messengers, and sahaba watching this shitshow from heaven like:

Wtf

 

[Qeelbax]

Obviously people will enslave you if you don't protect yourself or if you don't have a strong country to look after your people. But mot african slaves were sold by other africans, so I wouldn't blame the colonisers if the people keep selling each other.

Islamically that doesn’t count though and yes arabs were also part of the attackers, as well as swahili africans. I remember reading that at one point somalis got sick of arab antics there and went and attacked them and burned their bases down.

 

[senor chang]

These turks were sick too. They had freaking male concubines and harems full of hundreds of European concubines, their eunuchs were casteres black yount boys.

Prophets, messengers, and sahaba watching this shitshow from heaven like:

Off topic but why is @greznigrezni still on mute ?

 

[Odayga_Jabuuti]

These turks were sick too. They had freaking male concubines and harems full of hundreds of European concubines, their eunuchs were castrated black young boys.

Prophets, messengers, and sahaba watching this shitshow from heaven like:

I think it was normal back then, to have slaves, concubines, eunuchs etc...
Humans rights were non existent.

 

[Man with a garuun]

Also there is “born into slavery” thing. Does that count for the children of muslim slaves? If muslims can’t be enslaved if they were already muslim then does that apply to their children?

Poor black muslims in arabia, this is an injustice. When a black person says something about arabs I have no face to defend them. When europeans curse them I have no face to defend them. When indians curse them I have no face to defend them.

During the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah (swt) be upon him), a man came to him and told him:: I slapped a slave woman who was looking after my sheep. I know I committed a sin, so do I go to hell as a result? The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah (swt) be upon him) told him to bring the lady to him. When the lady came to him, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah (swt) be upon him) asked her who does she worship? She said she worships Allah (swt). He asked her who is he? She told him he is the messenger of Allah (swt). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah (swt) upon him) ordered the man to free that Muslima.

The lesson of that story is a Muslim can't enslave another Muslim. PERIOD.

Muslims who were involved in slavery have done it for their own selfish and greedy reasons, and their actions have nothing to do with Islam.

 

[Qeelbax]

Off topic but why is @greznigrezni still on mute ?

He derails everything. Enjoy the peace for now

 

[Odayga_Jabuuti]

Islamically that doesn’t count though and yes arabs were also part of the attackers, as well as swahili africans. I remember reading that at one point somalis got sick of arab antics there and went and attacked them and burned their bases down.

Islam doesn't matter, nobody cares and cared about Islam. If muslims really cared about it, they wouldn't fight for centuries. French and British colonizers used the division between muslims to colonize the middle east.
People are just following their own desires, the muslim community went downhill as soon as the prophet died while his companions were fighting about who is going to take the leadership (sunni vs shiaa).

 

[Qeelbax]

I think it was normal back then, to have slaves, concubines, eunuchs etc...
Humans rights were non existent.

But this is from an islamic point of view. Just look at how the ottomans are now. Bosnia, turkey, Azerbaijan, albania and kosovo. They are so unreligious, hundreds of years of degeneracy and white worship has turned them into what they are now. This didn’t come from nowhere. During their islamic empires, debauchery and islamic practices were rampent you think when non muslims and cadaans are on top they will suddenly come back to the deen? It came to bite them back in the ass.

 

[reer]

But this is from an islamic point of view. Just look at how the ottomans are now. Bosnia, turkey, Azerbaijan, albania and kosovo. They are so unreligious, hundreds of years of degeneracy and white worship has turned them into what they are now. This didn’t come from nowhere. During their islamic empires, debauchery and islamic practices were rampent you think when non muslims and cadaans are on top they will suddenly come back to the deen? It came to bite them back in the ass.

under islamic point of view slave trade is halal.

 

[Qeelbax]

Islam doesn't matter, nobody cares and cared about Islam. If muslims really cared about it, they wouldn't fight for centuries. French and British colonizers used the division between muslims to colonize the middle east.
People are just following their own desires, the muslim community went downhill as soon as the prophet died while his companions were fighting about who is going to take the leadership (sunni vs shiaa).

You are right but I’m coming from an islamic judiciary and jurisdiction perspective. Not what the ummah has become, I can see that with my eyes, after all I was born to muslims who willingly immigrated to degenerate gaal country instead of their muslim one.