How can we convince our Hawiye kin to give up power

[Angelina]

I haven't seen threeads where harti are writing only they should rule over Somalia, can you share the thread in reference?

This very thread. OP made a reference about Harti rule and how she wants them to rule forever.

What do you mean by this? There's no war between Hawiye and Harti, also Harti is a sub-clan of Darood.. You must be confusing this with the war between SSC and SL?

There has been no war, but I’m talking about the tragic events of 1991 with the USC kicking Daroods mostly MJ Hartis out.

We can agree on the last bit, all Somali citizens should be treated equally and have a equal right to be elected into positions of governance regardless of their qabiil affiliation.

100%. I dream of a Somalia in which presidency is about competency. I’m not Darood but if there was a Darood candidate that seemed like he was the man for the job who had all the willpower to change Somalia, I’d be getting behind him the way MAGA fans get behind and obsess over trump. I’d be wearing a Make Somalia Great Again hat with a picture of that Darood man on my cap . The Somali people are tired and we need a man with a vision and it doesn’t matter the tribe as you find excellent and talented men of all backgrounds. We just need the right one to step up.

 

[Abdisamad]

This very thread. OP made a reference about Harti rule and how she wants them to rule forever.

There has been no war, but I’m talking about the tragic events of 1991 with the USC kicking Daroods mostly MJ Hartis out.

But the harti where not even armed at that time and the revolt was against siyad Barre but it turned into slaughtering all darood civilians once the usc took over the capital city. Even I lost unsuspecting family members who were murdered at their homes. Also I'm not even sure Megan is harti, could be some looking for drama.

100%. I dream of a Somalia in which presidency is about competency. I’m not Darood but if there was a Darood candidate that seemed like he was the man for the job who had all the willpower to change Somalia, I’d be getting behind him the way MAGA fans get behind and obsess over trump. I’d be wearing a Make Somalia Great Again hat with a picture of that Darood man on my cap . The Somali people are tired and we need a man with a vision and it doesn’t matter the tribe as you find excellent and talented men of all backgrounds. We just need the right one to step up.

Well qabiil affiliation shouldn't matter, leaders should be chosen based on their compentecy rather, this would save us a lot of headache.

 

[Angelina]

But the harti where not even armed at that time and the revolt was against siyad Barre but it turned into slaughtering all darood civilians once the usc took over the capital city. Even I lost unsuspecting family members who were murdered at their homes. Also I'm not even sure Megan is harti, could be some looking for drama.

Well qabiil affiliation shouldn't matter, leaders should be chosen based on their compentecy rather, this would save us a lot of headache.

What group were the main people in Morgan’s army? Was it different tribes? And how do MJs feel about Morgan?

 

[Abdisamad]

What group were the main people in Morgan’s army? Was it different tribes? And how do MJs feel about Morgan?

Morgan was a general in siyad barres government but after the government was overthrown by the rebels he became a warlord mostly leading darood armed forces in the South to counter the hawiye warlords and their militias, eventually the darood forces turned against each other similar us to how the hawiye warlords/militias turned against each other. Now how mj feel about him, well he is kinda a hero, he fought many battles against the enemies of the darood and when the darood alliance broke down he fought for harti in the South, but eventually defeated by a shifting alliance of hawiye, Ogaden and Marehan.

 

[Angelina]

Morgan was a general in siyad barres government but after the government was overthrown by the rebels he became a warlord mostly leading darood armed forces in the South to counter the hawiye warlords and their militias, eventually the darood forces turned against each other similar us to how the hawiye warlords/militias turned against each other. Now how mj feel about him, well he is kinda a hero, he fought many battles against the enemies of the darood and when the darood alliance broke down he fought for harti in the South, but eventually defeated by a shifting alliance of hawiye, Ogaden and Marehan.

He murdered r-worded and committed the worst atrocities against Isaaqs. He was incredibly brutal. Killed more than any warlord since he was the one also behind the air strikes if I’m remembering this correctly.

 

[Abdisamad]

He murdered r-worded and committed the worst atrocities against Isaaqs. He was incredibly brutal. Killed more than any warlord since he was the one also behind the air strikes if I’m remembering this correctly.

All warlord have blood on their hands. If anyone is going to be trialed then every qabiil need to hand their warlord for justice.. I don't see how he's more criminal or worse than the rest unless one is biased.

 

[Magan Joseph]

But the harti where not even armed at that time and the revolt was against siyad Barre but it turned into slaughtering all darood civilians once the usc took over the capital city. Even I lost unsuspecting family members who were murdered at their homes. Also I'm not even sure Megan is harti, could be some looking for drama.

Well qabiil affiliation shouldn't matter, leaders should be chosen based on their compentecy rather, this would save us a lot of headache.

Indeed qabiil affiliation shouldn’t matter but you have a eelay farmer wearing suit inside the parliament saying Ogaden aren’t Somali the very same clan that created Somalinimo what it is to be a Somali. Now this eelay ajnabi (or raxanayn) who’s new to civilization was chosen based on his qabiil not his “competency” forget being competent he’s having trouble speaking the damn Somali language qabiil affiliation shouldn’t matter but in this day and age it matters.

 

[Magan Joseph]

My Hawiye friends, do you guys like sharing power with Darood? How come you never thought like the iidoor and got as far away from Darood as possible?? bring Hawiye lands together and create your own state and say we’re a separate nation