How can Ogaden aka Somali galbeed be freed from Ethiopia?

[JigjigaKismaayo]

Before providing your solution, think of the odds first. Ethiopia as a country has like a gazillion ethnic groups, with different religions and cultures. However, when it comes to their stance on Galbeed and Somali people as an ethnic group, they are all one. The Tigrays, Oromos and habeshas would all fight Somalis if we tried to secede. That's the first hurdle. The second one which is bigger than the first one is that Ethiopia has superpower countries like the US, UK and Germany backing them with money, and support at the UN. Is this because they are all christians? I think so but God knows best.

Now with that in mind, what are some things the Somalis can do to free themselves? Let's ignore the divisions among somalis while considering this question.

I think we would need shitload of money, and I mean like money that doesn't run out, we also need heavy weaponry including drones, tanks and jets. We don't need any training, I'd bet on Somalis to karbash anyone in Africa with all things being equal. The billion dollar question is, how we would get this? we would need a superpower daddy like China, Turkey or even Russia to fully adopt us which I don't see that happening, maybe because we have nothing to offer in return and there's no such thing as free lunch. The US and the UK would never support Somalis, ever!

Discuss!

 

[GemState]

Somalis can't fight Ethiopia, a couple of mechanized divisions would destroy us due to the flat terrain. The only way Galbeed is freed is if Ethiopia went out like Yugoslavia due to an Oromo-Amhara war which is very possible.

But honestly, I'm not even sure I'd want it to happen, Somalia had 6.7million people in 1991, Imagine a 120million Somalia? Too horrible to imagine.

A democratic Ethiopia with open borders to Somalia is the dream

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Before providing your solution, think of the odds first. Ethiopia as a country has like a gazillion ethnic groups, with different religions and cultures. However, when it comes to their stance on Galbeed and Somali people as an ethnic group, they are all one. The Tigrays, Oromos and habeshas would all fight Somalis if we tried to secede. That's the first hurdle. The second one which is bigger than the first one is that Ethiopia has superpower countries like the US, UK and Germany backing them with money, and support at the UN. Is this because they are all christians? I think so but God knows best.

Now with that in mind, what are some things the Somalis can do to free themselves? Let's ignore the divisions among somalis while considering this question.

I think we would need shitload of money, and I mean like money that doesn't run out, we also need heavy weaponry including drones, tanks and jets. We don't need any training, I'd bet on Somalis to karbash anyone in Africa with all things being equal. The billion dollar question is, how we would get this? we would need a superpower daddy like China, Turkey or even Russia to fully adopt us which I don't see that happening, maybe because we have nothing to offer in return and there's no such thing as free lunch. The US and the UK would never support Somalis, ever!

Discuss!

We don't need billions of dollars to defeat Ethiopia. a stable government and a disciplined army are enough.

Somalis can't fight Ethiopia, a couple of mechanized divisions would destroy us due to the flat terrain. The only way Galbeed is freed is if Ethiopia went out like Yugoslavia due to an Oromo-Amhara war which is very possible.

But honestly, I'm not even sure I'd want it to happen, Somalia had 6.7million people in 1991, Imagine a 120million Somalia? Too horrible to imagine.

A democratic Ethiopia with open borders to Somalia is the dream

the same would go for Ethiopia because of Galbleed.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

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[JigjigaKismaayo]

Somalis can't fight Ethiopia, a couple of mechanized divisions would destroy us due to the flat terrain. The only way Galbeed is freed is if Ethiopia went out like Yugoslavia due to an Oromo-Amhara war which is very possible.

But honestly, I'm not even sure I'd want it to happen, Somalia had 6.7million people in 1991, Imagine a 120million Somalia? Too horrible to imagine.

A democratic Ethiopia with open borders to Somalia is the dream

I think with powerful friends, we can beat them, even if they outnumber us. We'd just need to have access to the same weapons they do. I am convinced of that! The thing is, every clan has something to gain from this.

 

[BenInHer]

Somalia government should Buy the land. Offer them 10/15% of the oil/gas found in ogaden for 100years. Or war. Giving them a port is not an option,as we need them to rely on our ports for trade.

My 2cents.

 

[JigjigaKismaayo]

Buy the land. Offer them 10/15% of the oil/gas found in ogaden for 100years. Or war. Giving them a port is not an option,as we need them to rely on our ports for trade.

My 2cents.

they can take 75% of the whatever resources we have if it mean we would be free.
rather be free and gaajo than be under gumaysi plus gaajo.

 

[BenInHer]

they can take 75% of the whatever resources we have if it mean we would be free.
rather be free and gaajo than be under gumaysi plus gaajo.

Nah fck them raw eater. 10/20% is good.

 

[Bowda-dheer]

they can take 75% of the whatever resources we have if it mean we would be free.
rather be free and gaajo than be under gumaysi plus gaajo.

How you expect to run a country with 25% of your only resource? You’ll not be free even if you offered 100% only the gun can make you sit on that table.

 

[Awd]

Before providing your solution, think of the odds first. Ethiopia as a country has like a gazillion ethnic groups, with different religions and cultures. However, when it comes to their stance on Galbeed and Somali people as an ethnic group, they are all one. The Tigrays, Oromos and habeshas would all fight Somalis if we tried to secede. That's the first hurdle. The second one which is bigger than the first one is that Ethiopia has superpower countries like the US, UK and Germany backing them with money, and support at the UN. Is this because they are all christians? I think so but God knows best.

Now with that in mind, what are some things the Somalis can do to free themselves? Let's ignore the divisions among somalis while considering this question.

I think we would need shitload of money, and I mean like money that doesn't run out, we also need heavy weaponry including drones, tanks and jets. We don't need any training, I'd bet on Somalis to karbash anyone in Africa with all things being equal. The billion dollar question is, how we would get this? we would need a superpower daddy like China, Turkey or even Russia to fully adopt us which I don't see that happening, maybe because we have nothing to offer in return and there's no such thing as free lunch. The US and the UK would never support Somalis, ever!

Discuss!

The multi ethnic diversity in Ethiopia is it's major weakness. It is a fragile setup. Ethiopia is an artificial state however it has backing from the international community. The only time I see an independent Galbeed is if Ethiopia crumbles from within. I don't think Somalis can defeat Ethiopia militarily. The only hope is if the world order changes and/or Ethiopia crumbles from within. If the Oromos rise, as in truly rise, its the end of Ethiopia.

 

[Ragaasi]

I thank Allah s.w.t. that Meles Zenawi implemented ethnic federalism. Ethiopia has been doomed to fail ever since that day, lol

 

[JigjigaKismaayo]

How you expect to run a country with 25% of your only resource? You’ll not be free even if you offered 100% only the gun can make you sit on that table.

Once you are recognized as a country, then that's it. If you are getting high tech arms and support, plus being a free country, giving away most of your assets isn't the worst idea. It's not like we are rich and prospering today. All of our resources go to Ethiopia, which they use to oppress us even more.

 

[wheel]

Wont happen militarily, as somalis are vastly outmatched. And any guerrilla campaign would need full somali support from Somalia buy may itself break up and stay in anarchy. I can see it happening if Ethiopian gov falls from ethnic strife and the country crumbles within.
And even if it does happen every clan would want a piece of their territory, folks there would likely start fighting eachother and recreate the disaster that is somalia.

 

[Jugle]

Let’s get rid of the qabyalad first.
I am worried for galbeed will be somalia 2.0

 

[GaradShabeel]

Before providing your solution, think of the odds first. Ethiopia as a country has like a gazillion ethnic groups, with different religions and cultures. However, when it comes to their stance on Galbeed and Somali people as an ethnic group, they are all one. The Tigrays, Oromos and habeshas would all fight Somalis if we tried to secede. That's the first hurdle. The second one which is bigger than the first one is that Ethiopia has superpower countries like the US, UK and Germany backing them with money, and support at the UN. Is this because they are all christians? I think so but God knows best.

Now with that in mind, what are some things the Somalis can do to free themselves? Let's ignore the divisions among somalis while considering this question.

I think we would need shitload of money, and I mean like money that doesn't run out, we also need heavy weaponry including drones, tanks and jets. We don't need any training, I'd bet on Somalis to karbash anyone in Africa with all things being equal. The billion dollar question is, how we would get this? we would need a superpower daddy like China, Turkey or even Russia to fully adopt us which I don't see that happening, maybe because we have nothing to offer in return and there's no such thing as free lunch. The US and the UK would never support Somalis, ever!

Discuss!

Sorry to disappoint some, but we should give up on armed struggle (at least until further notice). We've seen what happened in Tigray and currently in Oromia. The current regime are far more ruthless than any other we've seen before. Despite our sacrifice for the last decades, our "negotiating stance" stands the same as before, without having gained anything. (No disrespect to our martyrs). So we must strategize, forward.

As much as we have disdain for certain other ethnic groups, we should capitalize on the current anti-Ethiopia "momentum", by achieving as much of our agenda as possible. TPLF was horrible to us, but the single greatest thing they did was create ethnic federalism and the article in the constitution that gives each nation/nationality in Ethiopia the right of self-determination. Even if they won't agree with us on this request, we should do whatever it takes to preserve this article, that may be in use in the future.

As someone else also said, as long as we have (ethnic) federalism, Ethiopia will never be very powerful. We should work with other Ethiopians like Tigrayans and Oromos (who we share similar vision) to de-centralize as much as possible. First give let us practice our current constitutional given rights of autonomy & fully democratize, and over time work more towards a confederation, (as secession don't seems viable in the current future). Where each "nation" in ETH govern themselves, and only share defence, foreign policy etc. and keep taxation to the central gov't as little as possible, by keeping its duties small too. De-centralized/weak ETH will also be less of threat to Somalia.

From there, we can integrate with other Somalis, from Djibouti in the north to Kenya all they way in the south. Even though, we may belong to different sovereign countries (for now). We shouldn't have any border between us Somalis, and every Somali should be able to move as free as possible.

FYI, to those who think Oromo are anti-Ethiopia, may be misled. While many of them feel/are oppressed and therefore express anti-Ethiopia viewpoints, most have a dream of being the new ethnic group, controlling Ethiopia. As they are the largest ethnic group today. Many of them are "Amharized" or "Ethiopianized" to be specific and have an Ethiopian identity, even muslims. So be wary of those who share these views, even if they don't vocalize it. Listen to popular Oromo politician like Jawar Mohamed, and it will be very evident.

 

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Somali Region is on the right track as it is right now. Continue to build infrastructure investing in education agriculture and water for the region is the best bet.

Ethiopia has already had numerous country splitting civil wars that come around every 2 decades there is never a lack of opportunity as long as we continue this path of increasing total recruits, becoming more food secure, and avoiding internal conflicts im optimistic.

 

[Abaq]

Thanks to the Tigray war, ethnic federalism is here to stay. Work on shoring it up, implementing it fully, before working towards a confederal state. Then we are only a stone throw away from Balkanization

 

[nanat]

There are only 2 solutions for this.
1. Somalia to become filthy rich and purchase nuclear weapons technology from whatever corrupt country willing to give somalis the receipt for the cake since we already have a large amount of uranium in Somalia.
Then we can destabilise Ethiopia as much as we like & no one will ever dare to use the military option against us.
2. Join them & play the long term game.
Destroy them from within.
Both these options will take decades considering our current chaotic situation.