Hoteps discuss “Real Indeginous Somalis”

[pirater]

How do you know they were extinct by the time Somali clans arrived in the area? There's no way of knowing that without archaeological evidence which is very limited.

its unlikely. they got assimilated. like most hg groups around the world

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

Extinct Hunter-Gatherers of the Horn looking at the Cushites,Nilotes and Bantus arguing over who’s more indigenous from their graves

 

[Juliet]

Rwanda genocide of indigenous Cushites happened because of this rhetoric. Extremely dangerous narrative.

 

[Nilotic]

Rwanda genocide of indigenous Cushites happened because of this rhetoric. Extremely dangerous narrative.

You consider the Tutsi-Hima to be Cushites?

 

[Keep it a boqol]

You consider the Tutsi-Hima to be Cushites?

I believe they are a mix of Nilotic, Bantu and Cushitic people

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

You consider the Tutsi-Hima to be Cushites?

They don’t speak a Cushitic language nor are they over 50% Cushitic.They are whatever the hell they are.
She probably means the Cushitic nomads that once inhabited the Rift Valley but they were probably exterminated by your folks and not the Bantus.The only Cushites left in SE Africa are the Iraqw

 

[Bundasliga]

They don’t speak a Cushitic language nor are they over 50% Cushitic.They are whatever the hell they are.
She probably means the Cushitic nomads that once inhabited the Rift Valley but they were probably exterminated by your folks and not the Bantus.The only Cushites left in SE Africa are the Iraqw

There are a couple more like the rendile's.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

There are a couple more like the rendile's.

Rendille are not in SE Africa and literally neighbour the Borana Oromos who cut them off from other Somaloids.Northern Kenya imo is a part of the Horn

 

[Nilotic]

They don’t speak a Cushitic language nor are they over 50% Cushitic.They are whatever the hell they are.
She probably means the Cushitic nomads that once inhabited the Rift Valley but they were probably exterminated by your folks and not the Bantus.The only Cushites left in SE Africa are the Iraqw

Interesting; how long ago were the southern Cushites "exterminated" in the Rift Valley?

Nilotics seem to have interacted quite extensively with Cushitic groups; the Maasai-Samburu have pretty substantial Cushitic ancestry, but most of their ancestry is likely proto-Nilotic/Nilotic.

 

[Bundasliga]

Rendille are not in SE Africa and literally neighbour the Borana Oromos who cut them off from other Somaloids.Northern Kenya imo is a part of the Horn

Who inhabited SE Africa before the bantu migration?

 

[Qeelbax]

Who inhabited SE Africa before the bantu migration?

Cushitics and khoisan

 

[GemState]

AUN Southern Cushites.

Bantu Settler Colonizers must cashapp me reparations for my ancestors sufferings. Das rite

 

[El Nino]

They don’t speak a Cushitic language nor are they over 50% Cushitic.They are whatever the hell they are.
She probably means the Cushitic nomads that once inhabited the Rift Valley but they were probably exterminated by your folks and not the Bantus.The only Cushites left in SE Africa are the Iraqw

They are mostly E-m29, are 60-70% cushitic by dna test (23andme) rest is bantu. They are definitely cushitics who got assimilated into bantus.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

Who inhabited SE Africa before the bantu migration?

South East African HG like the Hadza.There’s a spectrum of HGs from the Horn ones like Mota, to the Kenyan LSA sample and various Malawian,Tanzanian SE African HGs to the South African Khoisan.The further you go North the less deep ancestry peaking in the South African HG is found.

There’s also the Central African HG component which was probably important for HGs in the Great Lakes who were probably a mixture between Mota,Biaka-like and Deep South African HG ancestry.

Interesting; how long ago were the southern Cushites "exterminated" in the Rift Valley?

Nilotics seem to have interacted quite extensively with Cushitic groups; the Maasai-Samburu have pretty substantial Cushitic ancestry, but most of their ancestry is likely proto-Nilotic/Nilotic.

South Nilotes Probably arrived within the last two thousand years.Cushites have been in South East African for atleast 4K years.The samples of the Cushitic pastoralists from Tanzania and Kenya shows that they heavily intermixed with the various HG populations they encountered and was probably female-biased admixture

 

[El Nino]

We must come to terms that cushitics were langaab before 21st century, my theory is fgm and being pastorals is the cause for the low numbers.

 

[Man with a garuun]

Interesting; how long ago were the southern Cushites "exterminated" in the Rift Valley?

Nilotics seem to have interacted quite extensively with Cushitic groups; the Maasai-Samburu have pretty substantial Cushitic ancestry, but most of their ancestry is likely proto-Nilotic/Nilotic.

Masai say their old matriarch was a Somali. They consider us as their maternal uncles.

 

[Celery]

Somalis and Oromos came from Madagascar, then you guys came and killed the native Bantus.

at people who get worked up over this.

 

[Man with a garuun]

We must come to terms that cushitics were langaab before 21st century, my theory is fgm and being pastorals is the cause for the low numbers.

Farming population always tend to have more people than the nomads. That is because during the rainy season they farm well, and have more food available during the drought. Whereas the nomads have more milk and honey during the rainy season, but then lose most or all of their livestock during the drought.

By traveling with their livestock, nomadic herders also face many conflicts due to other tribes/clans trying to raid their livestock. This usually results more nomadic people dying in battle. Farmers hardly face this issue.

Thirst is another issue faced by nomadic people, and they travel long distances in order to find water. The farming communities on their part usually settle on the banks of the rivers, and developed techniques such as creating canals, and other methods to preserve water.

Just look at the Masai and compare them to the Kikuyu. The Masai has more land but their population is almost 8 or 9 times less than that of Kikuyu. And even though 1 Masai can chase 10 of them, still Kikuyu defeats them through their sheer population numbers.

p.s., the only laandheere Afro-Asiatic group in Africa are the Hawsa and Oramo-speaking communities, and that is because they adopted farming.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

We must come to terms that cushitics were langaab before 21st century, my theory is fgm and being pastorals is the cause for the low numbers.

The situation seems to improving now pastoralist communities have the edge when it comes to tfr compared to farming communities

 

[Man with a garuun]

Maasais have the highest fertility rate in Kenya at almost 9 kids per woman Kikuyus have the lowest at 3 kids per women they will surpass kikuyus by the end of the century trust me

Nomads usually have more kids but then infant mortality rate is very high. Kikuyu have less kids nowadays because they plan much better than the nomads. They make sure they can have enough kids that their finances allow them to send them to school. Those guys are one of the smartest people in Africa. They value education, and virtually see themselves more Kenyan than the other Kenyans.

Their infant mortality rate is also far less than that of the Masai. At the end, you have more Kikuyus educated, joining the workforce, and dominating every aspect of Kenya.