Yep, I know but according to Arab historians they claim the other way around and I think a lot of scholars were of the opinion that the Qahtanis were the originals who taught Nabi Ismail. But modern archeology and anthropology points to the North, especially Jordan and Southern Syria. I even mentioned Arab Romans like Philip the Arab who actually hailed from what is now modern Syria.
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Bruh comprehensive reading is not your dtrong suit i guess. To be fair i also lack in the deparment from time to time.
I am at work right now, will be off in 6 hours.
We will continue this conversation, it feels like that we don't understand the points we are both bringing forward nor do we understand the perspectives of each point from the other person's view point.
But we will figure it out, at the end of this convo either i have learned something new, or you will.
Either way i am looking forward to it abaayo.
Qahtanis are the pure Arabs
arabian historian claim they’re descendants from the ancient Arabs
J1 isn’t an Arab
It’s more Semitic haplogroup
Not many have Semitic haplogroup in North Africa
Egypt , Libya , Algeria and Morocco which I can prove it .
for palastine and Jordon your claims are wrong as well because they don’t have adnani nor qahtani blood however they’re arabizted .
syria is debate because the qahtani lived there and even in fact ruled there with during rome during early Islamic era before they got defeated by Umar (ra ) however that’s only some of them while the rest trace back to arameans, canaan or even some Jews
it would make more sense if a Semitic group to be arabizted like the people of Syria , Jordob , Lebanon and even Palestine however the North Africa are completely different race hence why I’m against calling them “Arabs “Egypt -current descendants of ancient Egypt
Morocco/Algeria/Libya-Berbers
Garaad diinle
Arab being originally from yemen doesn't contradict that arab is also from the north. You see arab history doesn't begin with qahtanies meaning the pure arabs, no not even arab themselves claim this. When we talk about arab history and origin we seem to forget a very important piece of the puzzle. The division of arabs is as follows the arabized arab meaning people of non arab lineage but with arab culture and language. Pure arabs with arab lineage culture and language. Finally the extinct arabs who predated the pure arabs.
The arabian peninsula use to be inhabited by arabs every where. These arabs might very well came from northern arabia meaning al-sham and iraq. These arabs disappeared and their only relative which were the qahtanis survived in yemen. From yemen a new wave spread to populate the arabian peninsula and therefore yemen is the origin of the pure arabs. Arabs are split into qahtani and adnani where the adnani non arabs married into an qahtan to and became arabized in the processes. Qahtan is from yemen and the survivors of the arab disappearance from the peninsula. The oldest mention of arabs is three thousand years ago in a poem where they were in syria in line with arab history where there were other arabs inhabiting the whole of the arabian peninsula.
Today who is pure arab or who is an arabized arab is hard to determine. Arab clans throughout 1500 wither it's a adnani or qahtani fuesed with each other so much so that an adnani clan might mostly consist of qhatanis and vice versa. The rules of what constitutes whos arab also became loose and everybody might be considered arab granted they speak arabic. The arab identity is very loose malleable and flexible so much so that for some arabs they consider all muslims to be arabs while others are more conservative of who is arab who is not.
The arabian peninsula use to be inhabited by arabs every where. These arabs might very well came from northern arabia meaning al-sham and iraq. These arabs disappeared and their only relative which were the qahtanis survived in yemen. From yemen a new wave spread to populate the arabian peninsula and therefore yemen is the origin of the pure arabs. Arabs are split into qahtani and adnani where the adnani non arabs married into an qahtan to and became arabized in the processes. Qahtan is from yemen and the survivors of the arab disappearance from the peninsula. The oldest mention of arabs is three thousand years ago in a poem where they were in syria in line with arab history where there were other arabs inhabiting the whole of the arabian peninsula.
Today who is pure arab or who is an arabized arab is hard to determine. Arab clans throughout 1500 wither it's a adnani or qahtani fuesed with each other so much so that an adnani clan might mostly consist of qhatanis and vice versa. The rules of what constitutes whos arab also became loose and everybody might be considered arab granted they speak arabic. The arab identity is very loose malleable and flexible so much so that for some arabs they consider all muslims to be arabs while others are more conservative of who is arab who is not.
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Yes, but Sudani’s get that haplogroup from Arab/early Islamic expansion. That’s why I mentioned it.
Jordon most definitely is considered one of the origins of Arabs. In fact more so than even Syria. There is archeological evidence. Petra was in fact their seat of power. Also, if we look at Jordan today, original Jordanians and not the Palestinian Jordanians are very similar to Northern Saudis. You’ll find the same tribes In Southern Jordan and in Saudi Arabia. Look it up. Palestine? No. That is why I never said they’re original Arabs.
Nope, actual anthropologists and Archeological evidence points to what is now modern day Jordan and Syria. I never mentioned Palestine. Also, Roman texts also show this as well. Ancient groups like the Nabateans, Lakhmids and Ghassanids who are most definitely Arab appear in Southern Sham areas especially in what is now Jordan.
The thing is, we have more evidence of Arabs originating in Jordan and Syria than the other way around. That’s the problem.
I do but it’s not majority Sudan as whole
Sudan definitely has Arab haplogroup so does Egypt but it’s not very high. In Africa Egypt or Libya probably has the most Arabs who are from Middle East.
Ofc do you know why Jordon/Syria is officially called “land of sham “ ? This is where sham and his children was born and they’ve expanded some went to Iraq , others palastine, other Iran (Semitic people was even there before the Persian in Iran crazy right ) and lastly the ancient Arabs (nabi hud and salih peoples) who left Syria/Jordon to Arabian Peninsula which is Saudi and Yemen.
I can let Jordon off however your point isn’t valid because during the nabateans (nabi ishmeal descendent) made an empire where they conquered Morden day Jordon but there was also another Semitic group which lived with them and in fact they also played apart in the empire and even influenced them where nabateans used their script . They was the majority in Jordon
Non of them are ancient group unless if you’re gonna call Quraysh as an example an ancient group . The descendants of nabateans, lakhimids and ghassanids are still there and living.
Lakhmids was qahtani group where they conquered southern Iraq all the way to Oman.
They came from places like oman/emirates where descendants of the ancient Arabs lived .
Ghassanids it’s a well know story where they left Morden Yemen to Syria and established an empire allying Roman Empire . Sources even say they was descendants of sabeans but I’m not sure on that .
Nabateans was Adani group who apparently used to claim their forefathers was nabi ishmeal oldest son (his name in the bible was called nebaioth but I can’t take since we don’t believe in the bible in the same time I can’t deny it because it might have some truth in it )
Back then Adani didn’t just live in northern Arabia they moved around between Syria, Jordon , palatine but majority of them lived northern Arabia .
I mean yh using Islam logic why would Arabs origin be Saudi and Yemen ? Didn’t the ancient Arabs come from sham ? Where did sham live ?
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