Greetings from a Kazakh Nomad

[KazakhNomad]

Im confused.

Did you create an account?

 

[DeadStar]

Did you create an account?

Ueah, my username is Abaay Abaay on VK

 

[KazakhNomad]

I think you’re sendinf the link from your feed and not your account link. In your account click on your profile avi and then copy and paste linj

 

[KazakhNomad]

Ueah, my username is Abaay Abaay on VK

Don’t see you brother.

 

[DeadStar]

Don’t see you brother.

https://m.vk.com/id482021903

 

[KazakhNomad]

https://m.vk.com/id482021903

I messaged you

 

[Halyeey]

We are mainly on VK, and don’t really do forums. Make an account on VK and then I will add you to the group chat.

Do you speak English there

 

[KazakhNomad]

Do you speak English there

The chat that I added Abaay too has some English speakers but most were only conversational in English

 

[shabellegal]

Hello Kazakh! Welcome to the forum comrade

 

[Slickback]

Wallahi my man is actually from Kazakhstan

Solid thread. What a roller coaster, the way this nigga bantering like 10 pages in I was convinced he was Somali like 6 times. Soo dhawoow my Muslim brother

First impression of this forum and how does it compare to your own in terms of political correctness and topics discussed

 

[Luna]

Wow, Kazak's. I am under the impression that you are all very similar to Somali's just different 'racially'
Are you by any chance related to Mongolians?

 

[KazakhNomad]

Wallahi my man is actually from Kazakhstan

Solid thread. What a roller coaster, the way this nigga bantering like 10 pages in I was convinced he was Somali like 6 times. Soo dhawoow my Muslim brother

First impression of this forum and how does it compare to your own in terms of political correctness and topics discussed

Well Kazakhs don’t really use forums, rather they use chats in VK, ask Abaay Abaay I had him in one of our chats. Topics are pretty much the same, trolls, politics, tribalism and kazakh men vs kazak women wars. Only difference is VK has a lot more users so the trolls got way more unsuspecting people to get off on, here everyone seems to be troll-proof

 

[KazakhNomad]

Wow, Kazak's. I am under the impression that you are all very similar to Somali's just different 'racially'
Are you by any chance related to Mongolians?

That’s actually a very complex question. See when you say Mongols you have to specify if you mean ancient or modern. Out of the 5 main tribes that Genghis Khan united , 3 of 5 are part of Kazakhs now, however that doesn’t say much as tribes back then united strictly politically like people would unit under a same party today.

So yes a good chunk of our tribes (about a third) come from those ancient Mongols (though ironically those tribes are not found among modern Mongols). However, the base of our culture and language have been Kipchak Turks, as we then immediately split off as the Golden Horde (which essentially became a continuation of the Kipchak Khanate). Then we had a war with western Mongols Oirats. We also got some tribes with origins in Iran, and Middle East and some tribes that have been the first people in Kazakhstan who were Caucasoid .

I would say we are very similar from my observation in following regards

1. When it comes to working I noticed that Kazakhs and Somalis need something of dignity such as running a business or being in a high position, however if that’s not available free welfare and crime are subconciosuly seen as more noble options than flipping burgers or washing toilets

2. Tribalism is very much alive in Kazakhstan, however so far it has not escalated into a full-on war

3. The racial question. Somalis are always told by their neighbors different things. Bantus view you guys as Arabs, while Arabs may view you guys as Black while some may even say you guys are Indian lol. When in reality you are your own ancient race. It is same the same with Kazakhs we are “white and middle eastern” to Mongols and Chinese, but are gooks to whites and middle easterners. Some mistakenly think we’re a recent mixture of russians and chinese lol when in reality Kazakh genome is very ancient and complex to the point where two white looking Kazakhs can produce an Asian looking kid while two Asian looking Kazakhs can produce a white looking kid.

4. Kazakhs can get pretty arrogant and xenophobic, however if someone shows good spirit and solid character then we don’t let it sway our judgment (I think Somalis can kind of be like that too).

5. You guys sometimes remind of Kazakhs in a sense that you value spirit and someone’s bravery over the physical frame. In US I noticed people put a lot of emphasis on how big and strong someone looks to the point that if someone is somewhat smaller he will give in to that person. In Kazakhstan you cannot just expect to intimidate someone just because you are bigger that small Abdibek (yes a real popular Kazakh name lol) will fight you with the confidence of a UFC fighters

 

[KazakhNomad]

Well Kazakhs don’t really use forums, rather they use chats in VK, ask Abaay Abaay I had him in one of our chats. Topics are pretty much the same, trolls, politics, tribalism and kazakh men vs kazak women wars. Only difference is VK has a lot more users so the trolls got way more unsuspecting people to get off on, here everyone seems to be troll-proof

When it comes to political correctness you have the stander folks who just made a profile who can be annoyingly pc and then you got seasoned trolls with fake profiles who have no type of boundaries lol

 

[World]

Steppe nomads were just straight badass. Probably the most competent fighters before the introduction of firearms.

 

[South Cushitic]

Hello, welcome my friend. You have to tell me, why does your capital city Astana have so much Masonic symbolism?

 

[KazakhNomad]

Hello, welcome my friend. You have to tell me, why does your capital city Astana have so much Masonic symbolism?

Hello, I wish I knew. Knowing the incompetency of our government I would bet money that it was the foreign architects’ elaborate trolling.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Welcome @KazakhNomad. Nice to have a fellow nomad on the forum, especially one who is as knowledgeable as yourself. As a speaker of Kazakh, from the Kipchak branch, do u find it easier to understand languages from the Oghuz branch, like Turkish and Azeri or Karluk languages like Uzbek and Uyghur?

 

[KazakhNomad]

I wish I knew. Knowing the incompetency of our government I would bet money that it was the foreign architects’ elaborate trolling.

Welcome @KazakhNomad. Nice to have a fellow nomad on the forum, especially one who is as knowledgeable as yourself. As a speaker of Kazakh, from the Kipchak branch, do u find it easier to understand languages from the Oghuz branch, like Turkish and Azeri or Karluk languages like Uzbek and Uyghur?

It depends. Literary Kazakh language is closer to Karluk, however that may be because Kazakh had lots of influence from medieval Chagatay which was a Karluk language. Meanwhile my tribe’s dialect and other western Kipchak languages in general such as the ones you find in the Caucasus have a much more common vocabulary with Oghuz language. Kumyk and Crimean Tatar languages are unique in that sense as they understand a Kazakh and a Turk equally well, yet a Kazakh would not understand a Turk as well as he would a Kumyk. Grammatically, Karluk would probably be closer though.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

It depends. Literary Kazakh language is closer to Karluk, however that may be because Kazakh had lots of influence from medieval Chagatay which was a Karluk language. Meanwhile my tribe’s dialect and other western Kipchak languages in general such as the ones you find in the Caucasus have a much more common vocabulary with Oghuz language. Kumyk and Crimean Tatar languages are unique in that sense as they understand a Kazakh and a Turk equally well, yet a Kazakh would not understand a Turk as well as he would a Kumyk. Grammatically, Karluk would probably be closer though.

Very interesting. I only recently learned about the Turkic Kumyk and Nogai of the Caucasus. It makes sense that speakers of these two languages along with Crimean Tartar would find Turkish easier to understand than a Western Kazakh considering their closer proximity to Anatolia. I assume these Turkic groups found themselves in the Caucasus as a result of the expansion of the Golden Horde, correct?

Which Turkic language currently has the most prestige?