Geledi Sultunate

[Gabz19988]

how much do you guys know about this underrated empire. I dont hear much about them despite the fact they were powerful enough to force south Arabian kingdoms to pay tribute believe it or not!

 

[madaxweyne]

They also defeated a menalik invasion
At the Battle of luuq menalik had just captured harar and was advancing at the time

 

[World]

They also defeated a menalik invasion
At the Battle of luuq menalik had just captured harar and was advancing at the time

This is BS. They would have easily conquered all of Southern Somalia if Italians did not lay claims to the territory.

 

[Gabz19988]

This is BS. They would have easily conquered all of Southern Somalia if Italians did not lay claims to the territory.

Not true, they were repulsed in 1905 by sheikh barsane as well

 

[World]

Not true, they were repulsed in 1905 by sheikh barsane as well

By then, Ethiopia and Italy already drew their respective borders.

What was more likely is that a small Ethiopian raiding party entered into Italian territory to raid and were unsuccessful.

 

[embarassing]

By then, Ethiopia and Italy already drew their respective borders.

What was more likely is that a small Ethiopian raiding party entered into Italian territory to raid and were unsuccessful.

It had nothing to do with Europeans. Your insecurities have surpassed personal and lately you’ve been trying to offload it onto Somali history.

I actually found the original source. The Ethiopian wasteman editted Wikipedia because he couldn't accept that major L. Menelik actually sent 15 thousand forces, not 11 thousand lol.

"The British, Italians, and Ethiopians partitioned Greater Somalia into spheres of influence, cutting into the previous nomadic grazing system and Somali civilizational network that connected port cities with those of the interior. The Ethiopian Emperor Menelik's Somali expedition, consisting of an army of 15,000 men, made a deep push into the vicinity of Luuq in Somalia. However, his troops were soundly defeated by the Sultanate of the Geledi, with only 200 soldiers returning alive and at the same time his survived soldiers were heavily traumatized. The Ethiopians subsequently refrained from further expeditions into the interior of Somalia but continued to attack the people in the Ogaden by plundering the nomads of their livestock numbering in the hundreds of thousands."

Source: Divine madness: Moḥammed ʻAbdulle Ḥassan (1856-1920) page 69.

@Crow @Shaolin23 I was wrong, it was actually 14,800 that got bodied in one battle.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/why-didnt-somalis-get-conquered-like-oromos-afars.45978/page-2

 

[World]

It had nothing to do with Europeans. Your insecurities have surpassed personal and lately you’ve been trying to offload it onto Somali history.



https://www.somalispot.com/threads/why-didnt-somalis-get-conquered-like-oromos-afars.45978/page-2

Yes I’ve read that Wikipedia quote before, but it’s hard to find how truthful it is given the only reference for it is:

Divine madness : Moḥammed ʻAbdulle Ḥassan (1856-1920)

And since it’s a relatively unknown book, finding it online is impossible.

 

[embarassing]

Yes I’ve read that Wikipedia quote before, but it’s hard to find how truthful it is given the only reference for it is:

Divine madness : Moḥammed ʻAbdulle Ḥassan (1856-1920)

And since it’s a relatively unknown book, finding it online is impossible.

that doesnt explain your absurd claim

 

[Grant]

Yes I’ve read that Wikipedia quote before, but it’s hard to find how truthful it is given the only reference for it is:

Divine madness : Moḥammed ʻAbdulle Ḥassan (1856-1920)

And since it’s a relatively unknown book, finding it online is impossible.

They are reading the falsified Wikipedia pages. Luling and Mukhtar are the proper sources for this material, but they have been intentionally misquoted in Wiki.

This is from the real Luling (Somali Sultanate, 2002, page 27):

After the Biimaal killed Yusuf and defeated his army at Golwiin in 1848, the Geledi divided the sultanate, sending one Suldaan to each corner of their holdings. Axmed was at Afgoy, Abukar at Buulo Mereer and Abiikar at Buur Heybe. Note this triangle, on the west bank of the Shabelli. The balance of the South was held by competitors, enemies and sometime allies. The Geledi never achieved their goal of holding the port at Munghia. They never got out of interior Somalia.

After Axmed was killed at Cagaaran in 1878 the Geledi had no significant power left. Cusmaan had no allies and barely controlled the Geledi triangle, even though the Suldaans of Buulo Mereer and Buur Heybe maintained their titles into the 20th century.

According to I.M. Lewis

"Beginning in 1893, Luuq was attacked by Ethiopian raiding parties travelling down the Juba only when the Italian explorers Vittorio Bottego and Ugo Ferrandi arrived in 1895 were the Ethiopian attacks successfully repelled.[2"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luuq

 

[madaxweyne]

They are reading the falsified Wikipedia pages. Luling and Mukhtar are the proper sources for this material, but they have been intentionally misquoted in Wiki.

This is from the real Luling (Somali Sultanate, 2002, page 27):

After the Biimaal killed Yusuf and defeated his army at Golwiin in 1848, the Geledi divided the sultanate, sending one Suldaan to each corner of their holdings. Axmed was at Afgoy, Abukar at Buulo Mereer and Abiikar at Buur Heybe. Note this triangle, on the west bank of the Shabelli. The balance of the South was held by competitors, enemies and sometime allies. The Geledi never achieved their goal of holding the port at Munghia. They never got out of interior Somalia.

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After Axmed was killed at Cagaaran in 1878 the Geledi had no significant power left. Osman had no allies and barely controlled the Geledi triangle, even though the Suldaans of Buulo Mereer and Buur Heybe maintained their titles into the 20th century.

According to I.M. Lewis

"Beginning in 1893, Luuq was attacked by Ethiopian raiding parties travelling down the Juba only when the Italian explorers Vittorio Bottego and Ugo Ferrandi arrived in 1895 were the Ethiopian attacks successfully repelled.[2"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luuq

get out you troll
You can't call sources you don't like falsified then give us something from 2002

Before the Italians luuq was a staging point for Ethiopian raiding parties answer invisions
their was even that battle for luuq between Ethiopian forces under menalik who were destroyed and defeated

You have been debunkt s as a revisionist liar many times on this forum you sugarcoat historical sources then manipulate to present a false view point

You are not needed here

 

[Grant]

get out you troll
You can't call sources you don't like falsified then give us something from 2002

Before the Italians luuq was a staging point for Ethiopian raiding parties answer invisions
their was even that battle for luuq between Ethiopian forces under menalik who were destroyed and defeated

You have been debunkt s as a revisionist liar many times on this forum you sugarcoat historical sources then manipulate to present a false view point

You are not needed here

Hilarious. Mukhtar, Lewis and Luling are not needed?. Even your falsified Wiki (mis)quotes them.

Get out of here with your falsified BS. I have the real stuff.

 

[madaxweyne]

Hilarious. Mukhtar, Lewis and Luling are not needed?. Even your falsified Wiki (mis)quotes them.

Get out of here with your falsified BS. I have the real stuff.

You quote blogs you retarded monkey
You can't call actual historical sources quoted by well known historians of t and PhD carrying historians as false because you disagree with them


you are not an actual historian but a looser old man with an agenda


Now just go and die already old fool

 

[Grant]

You quote blogs you retarded monkey
You can't call actual historical sources quoted by well known historians of t and PhD carrying historians as false because you disagree with them


you are not an actual historian but a looser old man with an agenda


Now just go and die already old fool

Wikipedia is not an actual historical source. Those are listed at the bottoms of the individual articles. In the case of the Somali pages, as demonstrated, these have been falsified. Either get the actual sources or get out of here. Period.

You can get Luling at Loohpress:

https://www.loohpress.com/

Cassanelli,, Reese, Mukhtar, Lewis, etc. are easily available at Amazon.

 

[Gabz19988]

Wikipedia is not an actual historical source. Those are listed at the bottoms of the individual articles. In the case of the Somali pages, as demonstrated, these have been falsified. Either get the actual sources or get out of here. Period.

You can get Luling at Loohpress:

https://www.loohpress.com/

Cassanelli,, Reese, Mukhtar, Lewis, etc. are easily available at Amazon.

Warya are u an amxaar or Oromo. Why are u opposed to the mighty Somali Sultunates

 

[Grant]

Warya are u an amxaar or Oromo. Why are u opposed to the mighty Somali Sultunates

I am a White American, a former Peace Corps English teacher from 1966-67. Also, I am a student of Somali history who strongly dislikes the fake stuff that Factz and Geeljire are peddling. Stick to real sources and real history or I will be on your tail too.