Galnus and Hirshabelle are paper states

[Dharbash]

Galnus doesn’t actually function as a real state and instead exists on paper, why you may ask?

• They don’t have a tax system
• Rarely ever pay tax
• No sources of consistent revenue
• Their entire revenue is based on collections from isbaro’s/checkpoints
• And rely solely on Somali forces as well as foreign entities such as Puntland, Djibouti, Amisom and various other countries for military assistance indicating lack of military strength

It exists just to say it exists, Hirshabelle world bank figures indicate the same thing mentioned above as shown by the distribution of funds (very similar colours) this is also seen with SWS, the non irir states however shows promising figures

Tax is almost non existent in the Irir states

similarly these 3 states also receive scraps from the World Bank just to continue existing while Jubaland and Puntland don’t

This comes as no surprise but even the then US ambassador, Stephen Schwartz, in an hour long interview with Brookers institute in the Africa Security Initiative points out how 3 of the above mentioned federal states are completely bankrupt. These states include Galnus (galgaduud and a tiny portion of Mudug), Hirshabelle and South West State.


Watch from 1:13:00

sources for the figures are from Somalias Ministry of Finance presented to the council of ministers so it’s as credible as it gets

https://mof.gov.so/publications/budget-strategy-paper-fy-2022

 

[Prince of HS]

SWS,HS and GM don’t have a port whilst the other two state’s do.

Hirshabelle is in a bad state financially right now this is known. November 80% of Middle Shabelle region was under AS. Today just west of the river in the gobol is under Shabaab. If you check google earth you’ll see that is roughly 5-10% of S/Dhexe. We hope the FGS will aid us in fully investing in the Agriculture sector as that could bring in huge revenue as well as the old factories located in Balcad and Jowhar such as warshada sookorta ( sugar factory) being rebuilt. This is a form of job creation. Also fisheries sector in Warsheihk and Cadale. The environment and places are there it’s just most of our businessmen and politicians invest in the capital as that’s more profitable to them due to the huge market.

Reer GM/HS fund the FGS with money we make through Banadir revenue. Reer GM/HS are 80% of Mogadishu money makers. You are painting an image as if these states are broke because their people are broke but that’s not the case. The natives of the former mentioned states are busy focusing on the capital. Why tend to a chicken when you have a camel?

 

[Dharbash]

SWS,HS and GM don’t have a port whilst the other two state’s do.

Hirshabelle is in a bad state financially right now this is known. November 80% of Middle Shabelle region was under AS. Today just west of the river in the gobol is under Shabaab. If you check google earth you’ll see that is roughly 10% of S/Dhexe. We hope the FGS will aid us in fully investing in the Agriculture sector as that could bring in huge revenue as well as the old factories located in Balcad and Jowhar such as warshada sookorta ( sugar factory) being rebuilt. This is a form of job creation. Also fisheries sector in Warsheihk and Cadale. The environment and places are there it’s just most of our businessmen and politicians invest in the capital as that’s more profitable to them due to the extremely big market.

Reer GM/HS fund the FGS with money we make through Banadir revenue. Reer GM/HS are 80% of Mogadishu money makers. You are painting an image as if these states are broke because their people are broke but that’s not the case. The natives of the former mentioned states are busy focused on the capital. Why tend to a chicken when you have a camel?

Check the video I linked, the US ambassador listed many good points imo, for starters diversify your sources of income instead of relying solely on soldiers who themselves are unaccounted for taxing the masses, think he said this towards the end let me know for the time stamp and I’ll recheck.

And they’re broke, saying otherwise doesn’t change that and saying they’re focused on Benadir seems like an easy cop out

 

[Prince of HS]

Check the video I linked, the US ambassador listed many good points imo, for starters diversify your sources of income instead of relying solely on soldiers who themselves are unaccounted for taxing the masses, think he said this towards the end let me know for the time stamp and I’ll recheck.

And they’re broke, saying otherwise doesn’t change that and saying they’re focused on Benadir seems like an easy cop out

I don’t think it’s an easy cop out sxb. Who do you think is the vast majority of Banadir revenue makers and in turn fund the governments annual budget via domestic revenue? It’s Habargidir, Abgaal and mursade. Your convincing yourself otherwise if you don’t believe that.

 

[Macawisley]

Hirshabelle is in a bad state financially right now

Not just bad financially, but politically and security-wise. Hirshabelle has failed in all aspects and it only exists by name.

I am proud of SWS recovery it was just like HS but bigger than now they are the in the top 3 states after PL and JL.

 

[FBIsomalia]

Galnus doesn’t actually function as a real state and instead exists on paper, why you may ask?

• They don’t have a tax system
• Rarely ever pay tax
• No sources of consistent revenue
• Their entire revenue is based on collections from isbaro’s/checkpoints
• And rely solely on Somali forces as well as foreign entities such as Puntland, Djibouti, Amisom and various other countries for military assistance indicating lack of military strength

It exists just to say it exists, Hirshabelle world bank figures indicate the same thing mentioned above as shown by the distribution of funds (very similar colours) this is also seen with SWS, the non irir states however shows promising figures

View attachment 266200

Tax is almost non existent in the Irir states
View attachment 266204

similarly these 3 states also receive scraps from the World Bank just to continue existing while Jubaland and Puntland don’t
View attachment 266203

This comes as no surprise but even the then US ambassador, Stephen Schwartz, in an hour long interview with Brookers institute in the Africa Security Initiative points out how 3 of the above mentioned federal states are completely bankrupt. These states include Galnus (galgaduud and a tiny portion of Mudug), Hirshabelle and South West State.


Watch from 1:13:00

sources for the figures are from Somalias Ministry of Finance presented to the council of ministers so it’s as credible as it gets

https://mof.gov.so/publications/budget-strategy-paper-fy-2022

Last FGS meeting, HAG pushing IC to let puntland to take same AID they taking, if those states paper on ground not function, then why deny puntland to have its 30% from IC?.

 

[Nomadic lord]

Last FGS meeting, HAG pushing IC to let puntland to take same AID they taking, if those states paper on ground not function, then why deny puntland to have its 30% from IC?.

If it's a paper state as you say then they need the money even more.

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Hiirshabelle and Koonfur Galbeed are potentially viable if:

1. Hiirshabelle manages to operationalize the Feerfeer-Jigjiga corridor
2. Koonfur Galbeed manage to build a port at Barawe

Galmudug is simply not economically viable as a state and was created in order to match Darod 1 for 1 in terms of FMS. Hiraab are not willing to invest the time/money in building a functioning Galmudug.

It would be better for everyone if Galmudug were merged with Hiirshabelle with Hawiye keeping their senate seats. A big Hawiye superstate is more efficient and viable.

 

[Macawisley]

It would be better for everyone if Galmudug were merged with Hiirshabelle

No way, what we need is in fact a wall like US-Mexico border.

 

[Rationale]

SWS,HS and GM don’t have a port whilst the other two state’s do.

Hirshabelle is in a bad state financially right now this is known. November 80% of Middle Shabelle region was under AS. Today just west of the river in the gobol is under Shabaab. If you check google earth you’ll see that is roughly 5-10% of S/Dhexe. We hope the FGS will aid us in fully investing in the Agriculture sector as that could bring in huge revenue as well as the old factories located in Balcad and Jowhar such as warshada sookorta ( sugar factory) being rebuilt. This is a form of job creation. Also fisheries sector in Warsheihk and Cadale. The environment and places are there it’s just most of our businessmen and politicians invest in the capital as that’s more profitable to them due to the huge market.

Reer GM/HS fund the FGS with money we make through Banadir revenue. Reer GM/HS are 80% of Mogadishu money makers. You are painting an image as if these states are broke because their people are broke but that’s not the case. The natives of the former mentioned states are busy focusing on the capital. Why tend to a chicken when you have a camel?

Xamar makes more money than PL+JL. Most of our revenue is going into building FGS and we are already reaping the returns of our investments.

OPs thread is all over the place. According to his own source JL can't cover its expenses even though it has a port. Jl and SWS are both 80% under Shabaab. Everyone knows JL is the biggest paper state that has its capital and a whole gobol under Shabaab.

@Dharbash how come a video from 2018 is the main source for this? One could argue your whole thread is just dishonest.

FGS is already subsidising Hirshabelle, GM and SWS with revenue from Xamar. The gap between these states is shrinking every year.

@Macawisley you shouldn't let your cuqdad for beesha go against your interest like that. Hirshabelle is being shat on by shisheeye with outdated info. While you twerk kkkkk.

 

[Rationale]

Last FGS meeting, HAG pushing IC to let puntland to take same AID they taking, if those states paper on ground not function, then why deny puntland to have its 30% from IC?.

RCRF is IC aid money, PL got 30% of the 21 639 563. Xamar got zero... on top of financing FGS we are even funding three other states. We are not the same.

 

[Dharbash]

Xamar makes more money than PL+JL.

No shit, it’s the capital and receives funding from the world bank + Investments from Somalis

According to his own source JL can't cover its expenses even though it has a port. Jl and SWS are both 80% under Shabaab. Everyone knows JL is the biggest paper state that has its capital and a whole gobol under Shabaab.

where in my source does it say that, and prove the 80% shabab claim

how come a video from 2018 is the main source for this? One could argue your whole thread is just dishonest.

it’s not the main source, the various world bank figures are, the video acts to support my claims though since everyone on the panel is educated enough to understand Galnus and Hirshabelle are broke

FGS is already subsidising Hirshabelle, GM and SWS with revenue from Xamar. The gap between these states is shrinking every year.

you’re delusional, FGS isn’t doing any of that, you’re telling me a government that can barely rule a city is funding other states? All of this is coming out of the World Bank, the more these figures increase the worse off we’d be as these aren’t for free.

on top of financing FGS we are even funding three other states. We are not the same.

But you’re not, the world bank is, RCRF isn’t out of xamars pockets

 

[Libaax-Joore]

View attachment 266233
RCRF is IC aid money, PL got 30% of the 21 639 563. Xamar got zero... on top of financing FGS we are even funding three other states. We are not the same.

@Rationale ebow puntland is self sufficient government listen to ur own adeer professor fallow abgal osman

 

[Rationale]

@Rationale ebow puntland is self sufficient government listen to ur own adeer professor fallow abgal osman

Hehe I need his contacts. I will show him PL budget breake down. And how federalism is implemented in every country around the world. I promise you he will be singing a different tune.



Also it is true our dispute with PL is about constitutional duties and rights of the states. FGS will keep pursuing fiscal federalism and equal rights for federal member states.

@Libaax-Joore I'm not against PL because I hate reer PL, dowladda PL is simply enjoying rights it shouldn't in a federal country waa xaqdaro. The professor makes poor arguments to justify that.

 

[Rationale]

No shit, it’s the capital and receives funding from the world bank + Investments from Somalis

Hehe I stoped reading after this.



Why isn't Washington DC generating more revenue than the State of New York and Florida, after all it is the capital of USA.



Ridiculous argument...you are not serious.

 

[Ozark]

Hehe I stoped reading after this.



Why isn't Washington DC generating more revenue than the State of New York and Florida, after all it is the capital of USA.



Ridiculous argument...you are not serious.

Drawing parallels between the richest country in the world and a failed state, wow your a genius.

Maybe because US states generate their own revenue while Galmudug cannot as OP showed.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Drawing parallels between the richest country in the world and a failed state, wow your a genius.

Maybe because US states generate their own revenue while Galmudug cannot as OP showed.

Texas is ranked as the 9th largest economy among nations of the world by GDP, ahead of Canada, South Korea, Russia, and Australia.
...
Economy of Texas.

 

[FBIsomalia]

If it's a paper state as you say then they need the money even more.

How they need if its not function at all!!.

 

[Nomadic lord]

How they need if its not function at all!!.

What do you think AID money means?

 

[MenacingGeeljire]

If any states are paper states it’s Jubaland and Konfur Galbeed that can’t operate in their own state capitals. JL can’t even step outside of Kismaayo that’s defended by thousands of Kenyan troops, same for SWS that can’t go outside of Baydho. Both states can’t function or defend their provisional capitals without the protection of Kenyan and Ethiopian troops.

Galmudug and Hirshabelle are obviously still young and are working on building up their institutional capacity but they’re not like those states that wouldn’t survive the night even in their provisional capitals without foreign troops.