French Afars crying that Somalis nigga wants to unify Djibout and Somalia 😂

[Garaad diinle]

Carab Saalax are a different story from "Yemeni-Somalis". The thing about my cousin's hooyo is that she's clearly still Yemeni genetically. You look at her and she's just a straight up Peninsular Arab woman but when she begins to speak she's just another eedo (kekekekek). Carab Saalaxs took it a step further and began intermarrying with ethnic Somalis for so long that the only thing foreign about them now is their Y-DNA and that they rememeber being genealogically Mehris. I used to think their claim was bullshit but I do recall some CSs getting sampled and turning up with a Y-DNA J1 clade that seemed to align with Mehris but these guys' mixing started ages ago. Even by the start of the 1900s when they had a fort in Bosaso they already looked like run of the mill Somalis:

"Fort of the Arabs" (Carab Saalax)

THE PROMONTORY OF CAPE GUARDAFUI

GIULIO BALDACCI; THE PROMONTORY OF CAPE GUARDAFUI, African Affairs, Volume IX, Issue XXXIII, 1 October 1909, Pages 59–72, https://doi.org/10.1093/oxfordjou

academic.oup.com

Interesting, it's hard to believe specially when the local arab salex wadaads look and act more somali than i do. I think that this relationship between somalis and mehris might've extended to mainland mehris too, i found this text where meharis refer to somalis as a family or bani cam.

 

[Avalanche]

 

[GaradShabeel]

What do you mean, I have communicated with a lot of Djiboutians that are somali ethnically that speak French lol

He was referring to Djiboutians who are french citizens.

 

[niggaibnh]

Sounds farfetched but not impossible. Warsangelis and Majeerteens were very active seafarers during the 1800s and 1900s, seemingly more so than the Isaaq and Cisse who were still recorded to be pretty active in this respect themselves. Canfars were also not unfamiliar with seafaring and even dhow building as this book imparts so it's not 100% impossible but given that the dominant Y-DNA E-M35 clade among Canfars is E-V6 while the rest of their lineages is a hodge-podge of stuff like M35 lineages, J1, A-M13 and some T1a alongside no known V6 among those Northeastern Somali groups... I call bullshit.



The reverse also happened. You will find Omanis and some eastern Yemenis with names like

-insert first name- bin -insert aabo's name- al-Daroodi
-insert first name- bin -insert aabo's name- al-Dishishi

And so forth. Northeasterners had very strong ties with Oman and eastern Yemen like the port of Mukalla:

INDIAN OCEAN DIPLOMACY: TWO DOCUMENTS RELATING TO THE NINETEENTH-CENTURY MIJERTEIN COAST on JSTOR

LIDWIEN KAPTEIJNS, JAY SPAULDING, INDIAN OCEAN DIPLOMACY: TWO DOCUMENTS RELATING TO THE NINETEENTH-CENTURY MIJERTEIN COAST, Sudanic Africa, Vol. 13, SUDANIC AFRICA: TEXTS AND SOURCES 2. Fontes Historiae Africanae Bulletin of Information: Selected articles 1979-1987 (2002), pp. 21-28

www.jstor.org

Here they are basically making an agreement that anyone who is a criminal in either the ruler of Mukalla's lands or the Harti Suldaans' lands is a criminal on both sides. Since I was quite young I've had relations tell me about places like Salalah and implore me to go because there are Carabs there who look Carab but are supposedly tribally Somali (like Harti subtribes) and they fully remember their genealogies and overflow with joy whenever they get to meet "kinsmen" from Somalia and welcome you graciously.

I didn’t know it was that deep Somalis and Yemen/Oman have relationship like that .

You’re telling our long lost Somali brother either in Yemen or Oman who got fully arabitzed but they know they’re Somali and gets happy when they meet Somali ? Bless them


But in a real note
There might be a lot of Somalis who got arabizted or even a whole sub tribe and if there is can we prove it ?

Somali qabil history is fascinating to me

 

[niggaibnh]

What do you mean, I have communicated with a lot of Djiboutians that are somali ethnically that speak French lol

I know but I’m saying majority of them seems to be afar but not Somali (the ones I’ve met on Twitter ).

 

[Shimbiris]

@niggaibnh @Garaad diinle



Adeer Hereri also did some traveling and digging and found similar types in India who can reliably give you Abtirsis:



All adds up when you read my Dhow thread through. Somalis were going to all of the following ports from at least the start of the 1800s until the early 1900s on their own Dhows and, much like Arabs, they did sometimes just settle down and intermarry with the locals. Sometimes they were just going with British naval ships and other ajanabi ships or working as coolies and so forth, though.

 

[JackieBurkhart]

Afar niggas still getting packed by Somalis. Time to deal with those Oromos now.

 

[Shimbiris]

Sorry, forgot to share the map of the ports:

As far south as Mauritius, as far east as India, as far north as Jeddah and also to the Persian Gulf and the Swahili coast.

 

[El Nino]

Honestly, jokes aside, I feel for Canfars. They seem like a very impoverished and underdeveloped people. Things seem to be getting better lately but I still remember seeing docus like this and seeing their state in Djibouti as a kid:





Somalis are far better off. We have two of our own UN recognized countries (Djibouti is ours, lets be real) and much more land and better quality land than them. Other than some of the Awash valley what do they have? We have the riverine south, the more fertile inland areas in the northwest and northwestern galbeed and various pockets like Cal Madow and the Nugaal valley. You barely ever hear from these guys on a global scale. Their diaspora and the number of achievers is paltry.

I'm not knocking them for all that, though. They live in the most arid and unforgiving part of the Horn so it's to be expected. They are a hardy and strong folk so no disrespect at all but quite on the contrary. What I'm trying to say is that Somalis would benefit from doing something for these guys. Going into their communities and investing in them. Schools, orphanages where needed, taking Canfar kids to Somalia to be better educated and raised there, keeping them in on any developments we get. They would be a useful ally and grateful. Or perhaps I'm just being naive.

Somalis should have assimilated all cushitic ethnic groups bordering us in Kiinya and Itoobiya, unfortunately muh ”purity” and our madax adeeg is to be blamed.

 

[mahamdov]

Isaaq are just some frauds arab .

Everyone of them either had the E or T haplogroup

Daarood also get j-p56 and e-m123 and Tl208 Don't throw your hatred to Isaaq here

 

[niggaibnh]

Sorry, forgot to share the map of the ports:

As far south as Mauritius, as far east as India, as far north as Jeddah and also to the Persian Gulf and the Swahili coast.

Now u mentioned the Persian gulf .
Is it logical to say Somalis bought Persian to southern Somalia and Morden Kenya ? Because
coastal Swahili have around 13% (lowest ) to 50%(the highest) but on a average 19% Iranian/Persian .

Here is the link

 

[niggaibnh]

Daarood also get j-p56 and e-m123 and Tl208 Don't throw your hatred to Isaaq here

I’ve heard daarood getting J haplogroup is super rare . I think only 1 or 2 people has it

but the T haplogroup seems to be common in there northern areas among isaaq and darood also afar

 

[Shimbiris]

Now u mentioned the Persian gulf .
Is it logical to say Somalis bought Persian to southern Somalia and Morden Kenya ? Because
coastal Swahili have around 13% (lowest ) to 50%(the highest) but on a average 19% Iranian/Persian .

Here is the link

I think it was most likely just brought by actual Iranians. They were known to be active in those waters themselves. In fact, I'm reminded of Alan Villiers' book where he gives a glimpse into Somali dhow sailors down in Zanzibar and the Swahili coast and in it he clearly mentions the presence of Iranians as well. I'm surprised by those results, though. I wanna run those samples a bit myself. Could be the way the guy's modeling them. Too many sampling groups and it depends on what he's using for "Arab" and "Iranian" respectively. My impression of Indian Ocean sailors from the last 200-300 years at least is that the Indians and Arabs were the most active so it's weird to see the Arabs so usurped by Iranians in those results.

 

[Garaad diinle]

I think it was most likely just brought by actual Iranians. They were known to be active in those waters themselves. In fact, I'm reminded of Alan Villiers' book where he gives a glimpse into Somali dhow sailors down in Zanzibar and the Swahili coast and in it he clearly mentions the presence of Iranians as well. I'm surprised by those results, though. I wanna run those samples a bit myself. Could be the way the guy's modeling them. Too many sampling groups and it depends on what he's using for "Arab" and "Iranian" respectively. My impression of Indian Ocean sailors from the last 200-300 years at least is that the Indians and Arabs were the most active so it's weird to see the Arabs so usurped by Iranians in those results.

We might've possibly left behind a finger print in the persian golf as prove for our long time presence on their coast. I remember that somali coins were found in places such as uae but what is far more interesting to me is the presence of saar in persia. Saar or sar for these who don't know is a demonic ritual i'm not gonna go into details, all you need to know is that it's similar to minges. Of all things that we possibly spread we spared fitna.

 

[JackieBurkhart]

We might've possibly left behind a finger print in the persian golf as prove for our long time presence on their coast. I remember that somali coins were found in places such as uae but what is far more interesting to me is the presence of saar in persia. Saar or sar for these who don't know is a demonic ritual i'm not gonna go into details, all you need to know is that it's similar to minges. Of all things that we possibly spread we spared fitna.

@Garaad diinle.

Wikipedia suggest different, it seems. I don't if this has some truth to it, though:

"The practice allegedly originated in Harar, Ethiopia via Sheikh Abadir, it was introduced by Harari and Somali women to Aden in Yemen.[7] Messing (1958) states that the cult was particularly well-developed in Northern Ethiopia (Amhara), with its center in the town of Gondar. One late 19th-century traveler describes the Abyssinian "Sár" cultists sacrificing a hen or goat and mixing the blood with grease and butter, in the hopes of eliminating someone's sickness. The concoction was then hidden in an alley, in the belief that all who passed through the alley would take away the patient's ailment."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zār

All of the sources in relation to this I'm looking at, suggest it is of Ethiopian origin.

Edit: @Garaad diinle, https://www.google.com/search?q=zar...-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#ip=1

 

[Garaad diinle]

Wikipedia suggest different, it seems. I don't if this has some truth to it, though:

"The practice allegedly originated in Harar, Ethiopia via Sheikh Abadir, it was introduced by Harari and Somali women to Aden in Yemen.[7] Messing (1958) states that the cult was particularly well-developed in Northern Ethiopia (Amhara), with its center in the town of Gondar. One late 19th-century traveler describes the Abyssinian "Sár" cultists sacrificing a hen or goat and mixing the blood with grease and butter, in the hopes of eliminating someone's sickness. The concoction was then hidden in an alley, in the belief that all who passed through the alley would take away the patient's ailment."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zār

Oh no the sar or zar tradition that i'm talking about is in persia or modern day iran not yemen. I wouldn't trust wikipedia personally and the text is clearly based and likely writing by a harar since his invoking abadir. Saar or sar in somali and persian tradition is used for healing i don't know how it's used among non muslim habashis.

It's introduction to yemen is a bit of a mystery. It's true that somalis in aden were practising sar there is colonial recored about it but i've also read that it was practiced deep inside yemen. Somalis spreading it is a possibility but it could very well have been introduced by other horn african. By the way people in some part of the meddle east use to some times call somalis abyssinians.

Honestly when you compare it to the somali mingis or sar they look very similar and clearly share a common origin.

 

[Bundasliga]

Afar's are salty they langaab

 

[JackieBurkhart]

@Garaad diinle, this Richard Natvig seems to really know his stuff when it comes to Zar. I was looking at his profile on ResearchGate:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Richard-Natvig

Either way, you can read one of his research papers on there for free if you download the PDF. It's called "Oromos, Slaves, and the Zar Spirits: A Contribution to the History of the Zar Cult".

 

[Hotchick12]

They mostly hate Cisses in reality, from what I know. They're weirdly chill toward many other qabiils, even sometimes oddly affectionate like toward Daroods. They have some belief that we link-up genealogy wise but the Cisse are like their primordial foes.

They would you too, if you actually bordered them, they hate the Somalis that border be they cisse, they always try to separate cisse from the Somalis, they try that brotherly shit with gadabursi but we remember when there was a French backed afar Djiboutian president he started prosecuting and deporting gadaburrsi because we were pro somali, don’t trust any ajnabi over a Somali

 

[Shaygoosh]

They mostly hate Cisses in reality, from what I know. They're weirdly chill toward many other qabiils, even sometimes oddly affectionate like toward Daroods. They have some belief that we link-up genealogy wise but the Cisse are like their primordial foes.

I highly doubt they differentiate us based on qabiil. I think their animosity is equally distributed to all of us honestly.