Foundation of Xamar according to Caydruus

[Burqad]

according to Caydurus, Xamar was founded by an old man and his crippled wife who he carried on a camel, they met a sheikh and the sheikh asked for food, the husband refused because his wife needed it, but when they fell asleep the wife slaughtered the camel for the sheikh.

when she slaughter the camel out of its throat came gushing red colored gold, from which the name Xamar comes and the money was used by the couple to set up the first settlement. It’s obviously a folk-tale but Sh. Caydrus attributed the foundation to camel driving nomads for a reason

 

[al-Mu'tamid المعتمد]

Let me guess he is a Sufi?

 

[Burqad]

Let me guess he is a Sufi?

What does this have to do with him being a sufi?

 

[Cartan Boos]

according to Caydurus, Xamar was founded by an old man and his crippled wife who he carried on a camel, they met a sheikh and the sheikh asked for food, the husband refused because his wife needed it, but when they fell asleep the wife slaughtered the camel for the sheikh.

when she slaughter the camel out of its throat came gushing red colored gold, from which the name Xamar comes and the money was used by the couple to set up the first settlement. It’s obviously a folk-tale but Sh. Caydrus attributed the foundation to camel driving nomads for a reason

Mogadishu was founded before islam, so he prop was waaqist wadaad

 

[Burqad]

Mogadishu was founded before islam, so he prop was waaqist wadaad

Contrary to Wikipedia and YouTube ”historians”

Somalis were never “Waaqist” and “Waaqism” was made up by oromo Lafta Nagas in the 15th century.

Waaq in Somali means Sky, not God like in Af Qoti.

Also like Rome, Xamar was founded and destroyed multiple times, Madigan Dir are also claimed to have founded it.

 

[Cartan Boos]

Contrary to Wikipedia and YouTube ”historians”

Somalis were never “Waaqist” and “Waaqism” was made up by oromo Lafta Nagas in the 15th century.

Waaq in Somali means Sky, not God like in Af Qoti.

Also like Rome, Xamar was founded and destroyed multiple times, Madigan Dir are also claimed to have founded it.

Sxb waaq was Somali religion but it wasn't like the Oromo one, it's literal fact nothing to be ashamed of

 

[attash]

Contrary to Wikipedia and YouTube ”historians”

Somalis were never “Waaqist” and “Waaqism” was made up by oromo Lafta Nagas in the 15th century.

Waaq in Somali means Sky, not God like in Af Qoti.

Also like Rome, Xamar was founded and destroyed multiple times, Madigan Dir are also claimed to have founded it.

If we look at some Somali clans with the word Waaq in their names, it is clear that they are being used in a religious context.

"Diintiwaaq" - The religion of Waaq
"Waaqmahadle" - To Waaq belongs thanks
"Caabudwaaq" - The worship of Waaq
"Naxariiswaaq" - The mercy of Waaq

These are some examples. So the word "Waaq" clearly meant God and our ancestors had a connection to "Waaqism" at some point in the past.

 

[Laser]

Madigan Dir are also claimed to have founded it.

Source?

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Sxb waaq was Somali religion but it wasn't like the Oromo one, it's literal fact nothing to be ashamed of

Send any reputable proof we practiced “Waaqism” before Islam? When the Romans traded with ancient Somalia, they recorded that they worshiped a pagan deity named Assabinus that they likened to Jupiter (basically Zeus) from Roman mythology. Also there are temples in Northern Somalia that also worshipped Sabaean deities like how the ancient Arabians and Habeshis did.

 

[NidarNidar]

Send any reputable proof we practiced “Waaqism” before Islam? When the Romans traded with ancient Somalia, they recorded that they worshiped a pagan deity named Assabinus that they likened to Jupiter (basically Zeus) from Roman mythology. Also there are temples in Northern Somalia that also worshipped Sabaean deities like how the ancient Arabians and Habeshis did.
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Some Somalis probably did, but the majority still practised the old religion until Islam came.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Some Somalis probably did, but the majority still practised the old religion until Islam came.

Where’s the evidence to your claim?

 

[Shimbiris]

Where’s the evidence to your claim?

I think it's pretty apparent in Somali linguistics as well as material culture and lots of shared customs with fellow seemingly former and current Waaqists like Oromos and Afars. Waaq related terms pervade the language from north to south to a point where it's needless for me to highlight the terms at all. And then there's customs like sacred trees and trials by fire that are shared with Oromo Waaqists and Afars which, in the former case, have a clear Waaqist origin. In fact, the concept of sacred trees and related Waaqist themes even pervade into the origin myths of major tribes like the Darood:

Some of the stories are very interesting when you observe them closely. The story of Sheikh Darood is one. Despite him being recounted as a Sheikh of the deen his story is undeniably a Waaqist one. It goes that he appeared atop a tree and then spoke to the local people, asking them to bring him a local daughter to marry so that he may descend and guide them. They did so and he was brought the Dir clan chieftain's daughter. This is blatantly a Waaqist story that appears among Oromos and Afars where saints are said to appear atop a sacred tree and ask to wed a local woman so that they might descend and guide the locals as one of their own and the religion itself generally has an obsession with certain trees and their sacredness like the sycamore.

It's also interesting how the story illustrates that Somali ties are most strong on the maternal side. I've noticed over the years that the mtDNA HGs that pop up across regions are pretty much identical and that Somalis have an alarming degree of IBD sharing across wide distances where even I will pop up with relatives in Jabuuti of all places despite mostly being from the northeast and that most people can recount that this or that ayeeyo was of a different subclan or clan. We have always been rather "exogamous" on the maternal side and kept our bonds as a people through the maternal line.

Even the institution of the Wadaad bears a strong resemblance to the Qallu Waaqist priests of Oromos and probably predates Islam. Some Somalis were probably pagan whilst some seem to have possibly been Ethiopian Orthodox Christians based on the archaeology but no pre-Islamic religion pervades through our customs, material culture and language as much Waaqism. Pretty undeniable.

 

[Burqad]

If we look at some Somali clans with the word Waaq in their names, it is clear that they are being used in a religious context.

"Diintiwaaq" - The religion of Waaq
"Waaqmahadle" - To Waaq belongs thanks
"Caabudwaaq" - The worship of Waaq
"Naxariiswaaq" - The mercy of Waaq

These are some examples. So the word "Waaq" clearly meant God and our ancestors had a connection to "Waaqism" at some point in the past.


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Tiktok screencaps aren’t how linguistics work. Waaq means Sky/Heaven in Somali, also how could Cabuudwaaq mean worship waaq when cabuud is an Arabic word? Somali and Oromo have a 3000 year distance. Arboore and other Sam languages are what you would use to reconstruct proto-Somali, not Oromo or even Rendille (who spent 300 years being ruled by Borana).

Send any reputable proof we practiced “Waaqism” before Islam? When the Romans traded with ancient Somalia, they recorded that they worshiped a pagan deity named Assabinus that they likened to Jupiter (basically Zeus) from Roman mythology. Also there are temples in Northern Somalia that also worshipped Sabaean deities like how the ancient Arabians and Habeshis did.
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this is some good stuff brother.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Even the institution of the Wadaad bears a strong resemblance to the Qallu Waaqist priests of Oromos and probably predates Islam. Some Somalis were probably pagan whilst some seem to have possibly been Ethiopian Orthodox Christians based on the archaeology but no pre-Islamic religion pervades through our customs, material culture and language as much Waaqism. Pretty undeniable.

Qallu “waaqists” (they’re Muslim) claim descent from Somali wadaads so sharing the same customs isn’t surprising. I do agree that Christianity may have been practiced in Pre-Islamic Somalia though we don’t know if it was widespread.

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

If we look at some Somali clans with the word Waaq in their names, it is clear that they are being used in a religious context.

"Diintiwaaq" - The religion of Waaq
"Waaqmahadle" - To Waaq belongs thanks
"Caabudwaaq" - The worship of Waaq
"Naxariiswaaq" - The mercy of Waaq

These are some examples. So the word "Waaq" clearly meant God and our ancestors had a connection to "Waaqism" at some point in the past.


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Ibn Arabi says in his explanation of different words for Allah in multiple languages that in the Horn, the name is Waaq.

 

[ina-cilmi]

Tiktok screencaps aren’t how linguistics work. Waaq means Sky/Heaven in Somali, also how could Cabuudwaaq mean worship waaq when cabuud is an Arabic word? Somali and Oromo have a 3000 year distance. Arboore and other Sam languages are what you would use to reconstruct proto-Somali, not Oromo or even Rendille (who spent 300 years being ruled by Borana).



this is some good stuff brother.

what do you propose then? Caabud is an arabic word I agree but Arabic did not reach us until the spread of islam. if Waaq means sky in somali, are you proposing somalis may have went through a period of jaahiliyah where they worshipped the sky rather than Allah?

this can be said for the other words too like
Barwaaqo ( blessings from God but according to you it would be sky)
Jidwaaq( path of/to God but according to you it would be sky)

surely this would be recorded in our history

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

I think that some of you are confusing two different things.

I believe Waaq was probably equivalent to the concept of Tengri- the 'sky-God' of the Mongols and old Turks, etc. It is pretty obvious that Waaq is a religious name not merely 'sky' on its own.

The Horn was and remains a place with many religions and we don't have enough information to be certain about which religion was dominant, etc. It is possibly even likely that there were several major changes in their beliefs. IIRC I read somewhere that modern Waaqfenna had been influenced by ideas from Islam and Christianity so it probably isn't the best representation of what religion was like before.

Someone above said something about Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity but I'm not sure it was this type because of some of their rules that would be difficult to live by

 

[Midas]

Maybe will find that lost holy book that the waaqefana oromo priests talk about was swallowed by a cow

 

[attash]

Tiktok screencaps aren’t how linguistics work.

It's not about where the information came from, it is about how valid that information is. You can easily search up any of these clan names online and get results, in fact many of them are well known.

Waaq means Sky/Heaven in Somali, also how could Cabuudwaaq mean worship waaq when cabuud is an Arabic word?

Some "Waaq" connected names have Arabic loanwords because the use of the word "Waaq" to describe God continued after Islamization. But it is clear that those names are religious: it doesn't get more obvious than "Diintiwaaq" or "Waaqmahadle". So "Waaq" was obviously a religious word.

 

[Burqad]

It's not about where the information came from, it is about how valid that information is. You can easily search up any of these clan names online and get results, in fact many of them are well known.

Some "Waaq" connected names have Arabic loanwords because the use of the word "Waaq" to describe God continued after Islamization. But it is clear that those names are religious: it doesn't get more obvious than "Diintiwaaq" or "Waaqmahadle". So "Waaq" was obviously a religious word.

That doesn’t nessicarly mean that the gods name was Waaq, anymore than someone who says “praise heaven” or thank heaven actually worships heaven. Diinwaaq would be the heavenly faith, while Waaqmadhle would be “praising to heaven”.

Again, the linguistic gap between oromos and somalis and linguistic research basically proved that the Suugo science theory of Waaq meaning god is nonsense. God= Eebe Waaq means Sky/Heaven. The same thing happen in Latin and Greek