Footage found of young I.M Lewis in Somalia

[Khaem]

That’s not something to be proud of. It’s repulsive and a rappey. A free Muslim girl was kidnapped from her family, tricked and trafficked and then probably r-worded.

Thats hella sad and you’d hate it if the opposite happened which probably did happen here and there on rare occasions because if those nasty shits were kidnapping their own free Muslim Arab women they’d try and kidnap Somali women they came across and I remember reading how it happened a few times.

There is one case habashi kept pushing on tiktok and it was disproven. One time Arabs took Some somali from the coast and the clan elders went after the slavers to retrieve to Somalis

 

[Three Moons]

Somalis said they were Arabs and their Arab forefather came and married a local. They even told that nonsense to Burton as well.

Let’s hold ourselves accountable.
Speak to an old head, even till this day they’ll say with confidence their qabil founder was an Arab man who brought Islam amongst other things.

The British claimed the ancient Trojans, but I.M Lewis would never trace his ancestors back to Turkey, because he would use common sense and acknowledge it as just a myth, not attribute any semblance of civilisation in Britain at every turn to the Trojans. He didn’t use that common sense, when it came to Somalis.

 

[Khaem]

Somalis don’t look down on merchants. We look down on blacksmiths, healers and builders ect LOOL. Many ethnic Somalis in the past were rich and very respected due to being merchants who made bank.

Cadcads are a small minority so of course they won’t be in power. They came as migrants who married Somali women and now you have a mixed community.

I didn't say we look down on merchants like blacksmiths, but merchants were never high on the social ladder unless you got rich from it, in most cases would be a slave trader. The average man trading fruits and vegetables and incense making honest but minor lacag wouldn't be seen as some high ranking member of society.

 

[Angelina]

There is one case habashi kept pushing on tiktok and it was disproven. One time Arabs took Some somali from the coast and the clan elders went after the slavers to retrieve to Somalis

Somalis were not slaves, the exact same way Muslim Arab women were also not slaves and don’t have a history of being enslaved but kidnappings by these nasty evil men still happened. Look at what that poster posted. A young Arab girl from a Muslim family was sold despite that being forbidden and socially unacceptable.

Someone posted a few yrs ago a text that shows it did happen albeit rare and the girls Mahrams had to track them down but Alhamdulliah they were able to get them back to Somalia.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Somalis don’t look down on merchants. We look down on blacksmiths, healers and builders ect LOOL. Many ethnic Somalis in the past were rich and very respected due to being merchants who made bank.

Cadcads are a small minority so of course they won’t be in power. They came as migrants who married Somali women and now you have a mixed community.

Some banadiris come from ethnic Somali tribes such as hawiye etc they don’t all have foreign roots

 

[Angelina]

The British claimed the ancient Trojans, but I.M Lewis would never trace his ancestors back to Turkey, because he would use common sense and acknowledge it as just a myth, not attribute any semblance of civilisation in Britain at every turn to the Trojans. He didn’t use that common sense, when it came to Somalis.

In the 60s, they really didn’t, like not at all. They claimed the saxons and Celts lol .

 

[Three Moons]

In the 60s, they really didn’t, like not at all. They claimed the saxons and Celts lol .

Because common sense academics researching British history prevailed in the preceding century, while these same academics pushed historical dishonesty / intentional misdirection unto us.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

Somalis were not slaves, the exact same way Muslim Arab women were also not slaves and don’t have a history of being enslaved but kidnappings by these nasty evil men still happened. Look at what that poster posted. A young Arab girl from a Muslim family was sold despite that being forbidden and socially unacceptable.

Someone posted a few yrs ago a text that shows it did happen albeit rare and the girls Mahrams had to track them down but Alhamdulliah they were able to get them back to Somalia.

Yemenis were sold as slaves and it was common.

 

[Angelina]

Because common sense academics researching British history prevailed in the preceding century, while these same academics pushed historical dishonesty and intentional confusion unto us.

I’m sorry but Somalis link to Arabs isn’t a stretch compared to the British claiming Trojans that are 1000s of miles away with hardly any linguistic and cultural communalities. Somalis are similar to Arabs, live incredibly close to Yemen and share the same religion and many traditions. It
Isn’t a leap to believe this, commonality in light of the fact that we do look like we’re mixed with Asiatics when you compare our appearance to other Africans and on top of that Somalis claimed the Arab connection.

It really wasn’t a stretch for him to come to that conclusion but obviously as an anthropologist, our expectation are way higher even if DNA testing wasn’t available during that time period.

 

[Khaem]

Somalis were not slaves, the exact same way Muslim Arab women were also not slaves and don’t have a history of being enslaved but kidnappings by these nasty evil men still happened. Look at what that poster posted. A young Arab girl from a Muslim family was sold despite that being forbidden and socially unacceptable.

Someone posted a few yrs ago a text that shows it did happen albeit rare and the girls Mahrams had to track them down but Alhamdulliah they were able to get them back to Somalia.

This is not the same at all, yemenis had a tradition of selling their own even documented in the 1930s. Mooryan Bedouins would raid and capture Yemenis un urban centers or Farms

Somalis had Yemeni slaves, countless slaves from the Yemeni tribe of Yafa'a resided in Zeila during the 16th century

Yafa’i slaves were sold to Somali merchants into the 19th century

 

[Angelina]

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Yemenis were sold as slaves and it was common.

That was clearly before some of their tribes converted to Islam.

Why would a Muslim be sold when it is forbidden in Islam and what protected Somalis from being enslaved was due to being Muslims?

 

[Khaem]

That was clearly before some of their tribes converted to Islam.

Why would a Muslim be sold when it is forbidden in Islam and what protected Somalis from being enslaved was due to being Muslims?

 

[Angelina]

This is not the same at all, yemenis had a tradition of selling their own even documented in the 1930s.View attachment 337070

Somalis had Yemeni slaves, countless slaves from the Yemeni tribe of Yafa'a resided in Zeila during the 16th century
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Yafa’i slaves were sold to Somali merchants into the 19th centuryView attachment 337072

Yes, because they were unscrupulous and evil who prized making a quick buck.

Use your common sense. Who do you think kidnapped the two Somali girls who had to be bought back by their Mahrams? It was clearly an Arab slaver

Thats my point. Greedy Arab slavers sold their own and hence there was nothing stopping them from trying to kidnap Somali women and they did it and we know it and know that the two cases that have been recorded had a happy ending with the girls being bought back.

How do we know that wasn’t the only attempt?!

 

[Khaem]

Yes, because they were unscrupulous and evil who prized making a quick buck.

Use your common sense. Who do you think kidnapped the two Somali girls who had to be bought back by their Mahrams? It was clearly a Yemeni.

Thats my point. Greedy Arab slavers sold their own and hence there was nothing stopping them from trying to kidnap Somali women and they did it and we know it and know that the two cases that have been recorded had a happy ending with the girls being bought back.

Yes but this would never happen for Somalis, never had we seen Somalis enslaving and selling each other's. Even in Yemeni case where bedouins enslaved farmers and urbanites. Geelgires in Somalia would go to war and raid Somali towns and cities but it would just end with them stealing shit them going back I the desert, slavery wasn't involved.

And for the most part Pastoralists went in and out of the city for trade as they pleased

 

[Angelina]

Yes but this would never happen for Somalis, never had we seen Somalis enslaving and selling each other's. Even in Yemeni case where bedouins enslaved farmers and urbanites. Geelgires in Somalia would go to war and raid Somali towns and cities but it would just end with them stealing shit them going back I the desert, slavery wasn't involved.

And for the most part Pastoralists went in and out of the city for trade as they pleased

That was my point. The Arab slavers kidnapped free Muslim women. They did it to their own Arab women and tried to do it to Somali women. That’s why I find it sickening for that poster to try and say it’s some sort of L when a free Muslim woman was trafficked Authobillah which was illegal btw but they still did it. A Somali man buying a slave especially a Free trafficked Muslim women isn’t a win it’s mad he’s frame it that way.

 

[Khaem]

That was my point. The Arab slavers kidnapped free Muslim women. They did it to their own Arab women and tried to do it to Somali women. That’s why I find it sickening for that poster to try and say it’s some sort of L when a free Muslim woman was trafficked Authobillah which was illegal btw but they still did it.

Yes but why do your think Somali mooryans never did the same? Did we have superior morals

 

[Aseer]

I.M Lewis was putting in WORK during colonial times. I think he’d be sad to see that all his work ends up being FKD today

This I.M lewis wrote fake misinformation history of somalis he didnt put any effort in his work.

 

[Aseer]

His work and many anthropologist are still cited. It is debunked that Somalis didnt come from Arabia and conquered the horn, but lies like Harla being a semetic ethnicity living in the midst of Somalis from Zeila to Harar still being circulated around academics. He was biased and he manipulated primary sources. He said Marka was an arab city and he made that up when Idrisi only mentioned Hawiye lived in Marka. So yes I have the right to attack him. He was a colonial propagandist

Isnt Marka a Biimaal city?

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

Yes, because they were unscrupulous and evil who prized making a quick buck.

Use your common sense. Who do you think kidnapped the two Somali girls who had to be bought back by their Mahrams? It was clearly an Arab slaver

Thats my point. Greedy Arab slavers sold their own and hence there was nothing stopping them from trying to kidnap Somali women and they did it and we know it and know that the two cases that have been recorded had a happy ending with the girls being bought back.

How do we know that wasn’t the only attempt?!

You have an inferiority and a humiliation kink. What do you not understand with Somalis not having a tradition of selling their own daughters or selling other Somalis from defeated tribes. We dont do that stuff. Arabs do. Thats why every thursday desert bunnies were brought to Somalia to be sold. That cannot be compared to kidnapping of Somali women, who were brought back. One is a single intances, the other brought desert bunnies to Somalia every thursday.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

Isnt Marka a Biimaal city?

Well Idrisi documented this 700 years ago. Population movement happened and bunch of wars happened ever since