Fighting in Beledweyne between Hirshabelle and Hiiraan state

[IKHALIIL]

Knee jerk reaction. You're asking the federal government to change the constitution to benefit you clan specifically. If we are going to use any map of the region it should be the 1990 version.

- Puntland is not going to give up control of north - mudug. Not going to happen.
- States vary widely in size and population
- Khaatumo stops existing, de facto Isaaq take over. Not going to happen.
- This map is a defacto Darood lose, Hawiye marginal win and pretty much spells out a Hawiye - Isaaq government. Not acceptable for the second largest clan in Somalia and largest in all of Somaliweyn.

Does going to the pre 1969 regions really matter if 1m1v is implemented?
Doesn't the current constitution benefit specific clans?

 

[Macawisley]

Knee jerk reaction. You're asking the federal government to change the constitution to benefit you clan specifically. If we are going to use any map of the region it should be the 1990 version.

ciil ku dhimo sxb, this was an issue before the fake constitution.

You think constitution can’t be changed? Did you see how easy HSM opened it? I don’t even like the guy but he sure did make you niggas scream when he opened to a point where he made Farmaajo say “nin walbi tuuladiisa loo laabanaa”

 

[Macawisley]

Does going to the pre 1969 regions really matter if 1m1v is implemented?
Doesn't the current constitution benefit specific clans?

Waa Munaafiq. He wants his clan interests to be protected but doesn’t want Banadir & Hiiraan to get their xaq

 

[JamalFarah]

Does going to the pre 1969 regions really matter if 1m1v is implemented?
Doesn't the current constitution benefit specific clans?

Until clan is not a factor, clan will be a factor. Somali is a low trust country. Asking clans to take a lose with the promises of 1m1v is not going to be enough. Besides looking from other clans point-of-view, why should they, the winners of federalization take a loss?

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Hirshabelle is a useless paper state runned from a hotel in xamar. No reason why hiiraan can’t have its own state

 

[JamalFarah]

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ciil ku dhimo sxb, this was an issue before the fake constitution.

You think constitution can’t be changed? Did you see how easy HSM opened it? I don’t even like the guy but he sure did make you niggas scream when he opened to a point where he made Farmaajo say “nin walbi tuuladiisa loo laabanaa”

I don't think you are understanding what I am saying.
The constitution can be changed. It's just that to many parties in power are not going to agree to make that happen. This isn't tribal interest, it political-realism.

The whole "Just allow Hiiraan state to exist" isn't something happening in a vacuum, it has consequences for Somali politics. If we allow one gobol state, that means Somalia is going to be filled with them. That and the conflict it will ensue is something, I believe, we should prevent.

Also, the barrier is so low for you, that someone disagreeing with you is enough for you to call them a munafiiq? You are drunk of the tribal koolaid, re-read my posts and try to comprehend them.

 

[FBIsomalia]

Typical mj always getting into other peoples affairs

I think it was jeegaan favorite hobby to enter others affairs .

 

[Almis]

Hirshabelle is a useless paper state runned from a hotel in xamar. No reason why hiiraan can’t have its own state

Sxb can you explain for me what qabiil resides in each state and why are fighting?

 

[Step a side]

Shit is all over TikTok

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Sxb can you explain for me what qabiil resides in each state and why are fighting?

Xawaadle and abgaal are main big ones while the rest are some Random yaryars.

Towns are being taken over by AS while xawaadle are having some inner fighting

 

[cow]

The constitution doesn't allow Hiiraan state to exist because of the two gobol rule. Big sub-clans like Marehan, Murusade, Biimaal, and Gaaljecel don't have much power in the government because they don't lead any federal states.

If Hiiraan state starts, then Gedo state might follow, and so on. This mess could have been avoided if HSM had given different clans more power when creating Hiirshabelle (and the other states). But changing the rules could make things worse in stable states.

Deni wants to disarm militias, but people are worried about what might happen next. The moment any mayor sub-clans that is the majority in any gobol can, creating their own federal state might be more interesting than sticking together.

This will atomize Somali politics, instead of 4.5 it'd become 25.73.


Many fear centralization, but it's important to remember that Somalia has a population of roughly 15-20 million people. The degree of decentralization already in place, along with further decentralization that some advocate for, could lead to an overwhelming bureaucracy, inefficiency, and the proliferation of redundant institutions. Nothing will get done because the tax base of some of these states is so low, using scale because impossible.

In a normal country the taxes of Mogadishu would pay and invest in hydroelectric dams in Jubbaland, which would create economic productive, which can again be taxed and used to fund solar farms in Khaatumo etc.

Marehan don't want gedo to become a fms. Because marehan also live in jubbada dhexe and jubbada house specially kismaayo.

So it is a different to what xawaadle want which is a hiiraan state.

Also hg basically are 40 percent of galgaduud and 30 to 40 percent of mudug yet they have galmudug.

 

[chronic]

Marehan don't want gedo to become a fms. Because marehan also live in jubbada dhexe and jubbada house specially kismaayo.

So it is a different to what xawaadle want which is a hiiraan state.

Also hg basically are 40 percent of galgaduud and 30 to 40 percent of mudug yet they have galmudug.

But wouldn’t having a fms be good?

 

[Abdalla]

No I don't and was demonstrating why aren't hawadle savages for killing each other but abgaal was. He resorted to the horgal vs hawadle first being central to the conflict as to make it an acceptable war, but he didn't apply the same rule for abgaal war. It's that sort of contradiction in Somali politics which will never see us fix our shit.

Ditoore, MJs slaughter each other over politics and ideology. We don’t war over primitive low iq stuff like wells and destitute lands. This Beledweyne war is over caqiido and which direction Hiiraan is going. Two relatives will fight each other. It’s honorable. Don’t compare it to the cawaans we saw 6 months ago gloating about burning each others huts. Ulululu anaa gubay gurigiisa Saas uu olala buu yiri cawaankaan

 

[cow]

But wouldn’t having a fms be good?

I am not worried about jubbaland. ahmed madoobe actions speak louder than words he needs someone to hold him on power. Why do you think he is so subservient to ulusow?

If blackie was confident in his position he would have told ulusow to get lost. So whether it is next week or 15 years from now xalane mafia will leave somalia and jubbaland will return.

 

[Cartan Boos]

Any group who shows they can liberate and govern their own state deserve state, XL have proven that

 

[Step a side]

The constitution doesn't allow Hiiraan state to exist because of the two gobol rule. Big sub-clans like Marehan, Murusade, Biimaal, and Gaaljecel don't have much power in the government because they don't lead any federal states.

If Hiiraan state starts, then Gedo state might follow, and so on. This mess could have been avoided if HSM had given different clans more power when creating Hiirshabelle (and the other states). But changing the rules could make things worse in stable states.

Deni wants to disarm militias, but people are worried about what might happen next. The moment any mayor sub-clans that is the majority in any gobol can, creating their own federal state might be more interesting than sticking together.

This will atomize Somali politics, instead of 4.5 it'd become 25.73.


Many fear centralization, but it's important to remember that Somalia has a population of roughly 15-20 million people. The degree of decentralization already in place, along with further decentralization that some advocate for, could lead to an overwhelming bureaucracy, inefficiency, and the proliferation of redundant institutions. Nothing will get done because the tax base of some of these states is so low, using scale because impossible.

In a normal country the taxes of Mogadishu would pay and invest in hydroelectric dams in Jubbaland, which would create economic productive, which can again be taxed and used to fund solar farms in Khaatumo etc.

Murusade runs the parliament of Galmudug. Nothing happens without them. They literally build Galmudug. They also heavily present in Banaadir and Lower Shabelle. Besides being the president of a state doesn’t mean you get to dictate who the mp’s will vote for. Everyone is free to vote for whomever they want.

 

[SamaaleCushite]

theyll eventually come to 'heshiis' then one or 2 yrs later fight again , rinse and repeat.

Absolute Cretins, the most worthless death is to die for your clan.

 

[Yami]

Ditoore, MJs slaughter each other over politics and ideology. We don’t war over primitive low iq stuff like wells and destitute lands. This Beledweyne war is over caqiido and which direction Hiiraan is going. Two relatives will fight each other. It’s honorable. Don’t compare it to the cawaans we saw 6 months ago gloating about burning each others huts. Ulululu anaa gubay gurigiisa Saas uu olala buu yiri cawaankaan

The shell blowing at the end subhanallah I never want to see anyone say Somalis aren't madow after baring witness to that ooga booga shit

 

[Abdalla]

The shell blowing at the end subhanallah I never want to see anyone say Somalis aren't madow after baring witness to that ooga booga shit

Saas uu ugubtoomaayaa gurigiisa, intuu jiraa

 

[Abaq]

Marehan don't want gedo to become a fms. Because marehan also live in jubbada dhexe and jubbada house specially kismaayo.

So it is a different to what xawaadle want which is a hiiraan state.

Also hg basically are 40 percent of galgaduud and 30 to 40 percent of mudug yet they have galmudug.

You're the same guy who said Mx live in Kulbiyow. Ilaahay iyo Islaamkaba ka maadan xishoonin. I don't know why anyone takes you seriously