FGS wants ssc and maakhir to join together

[Zak12]

A clear ploy from FGS to put even more pressure on Puntland by encouraging two states to form together that they could groom and be on their side. If anything, I rather see SSC be apart of Puntland to prevent FGS from using them.

 

[Karim]

If Dhulbahante are not going to be part of Puntland, as is nowit serves Puntland no purpose to have Harti Woqoyi divided between Puntland and SSC.

It is better for Puntland to have a potentially viable Harti Woqoyi state than an SSC that will be non-functional for the foreseeable future. The economic and military viability of SSC is more important than Puntland continuing to govern Sanaag.

Puntland should make sure that SSC is built in its own image and is an ally. Deni is wasting a lot of goodwill trying to court Dir Woqoyi votes by denigrating SSC. He will not be president of Somalia, will waste 3 months worth of gov revenue and will alienate SSC in the process. Stupid man.

Are you for real bruv?! I thought you were better than this. Your take on this issue is entirely inappropriate and treasonous. Advocating for your State to be further curved up to please another people is shocking. We've already seen a glimpse of the treacherous nature of SSC Khaatumo in the past few months; signing the invasion of Jubaland, accepting HSM fraudulent constitution, advocating for his illegal elections, etc. Imagine what would they do if they had another 5 districts added to their portfolio, it will literally be a base where Mogadishu can easily attack PL.

 

[Aarka Nugaal]

Warsangeli POV, tough choice:

Puntland

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[Libaax-Joore]

If Dhulbahante are not going to be part of Puntland, as is nowit serves Puntland no purpose to have Harti Woqoyi divided between Puntland and SSC.

It is better for Puntland to have a potentially viable Harti Woqoyi state than an SSC that will be non-functional for the foreseeable future. The economic and military viability of SSC is more important than Puntland continuing to govern Sanaag.

Puntland should make sure that SSC is built in its own image and is an ally. Deni is wasting a lot of goodwill trying to court Dir Woqoyi votes by denigrating SSC. He will not be president of Somalia, will waste 3 months worth of gov revenue and will alienate SSC in the process. Stupid man.

 

[Abu Hesi]

nigga this is not the clubhouse, soo gaabi hadalka

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

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[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Warsangeli has the choice of being with an economically viable and independent state. Or to be under a Gareen state that is under Culusow's mercy. In addition, they are reer Sanaag-Bari and would get more under Puntland with all their deegaan under one banner. Instead of competing with Dhulbahante for relevancy. In addition, they co-founded Puntland, whereas Khaatumo is a Dhulos project from start to finish.

Moreover, for those who care about symbolism, they can easily become Puntland's next President. Would you rather be President of Puntland or VP of a state that is under Culusow's command.

But, hey, what do I know.

Also, since Khaatumo and Jubbaland turned on Puntland so easily. Why on earth would Puntland advocate to shrink? It's clear Khaatumo cannot be trusted, so, no. Puntland will not gift more land to it. It's a wrap and they showed the treachery card too early.

Waa lays bartay.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Why should Puntland encourage the further breakup of its own state just to prop up ssc khatumo?

It’s ironically the same reasoning for the twisted FGS position pre-goojacade that sool and sanaag are part and parcel of Somaliland.

Puntland is done with having their Tolnimo taken advantage of. The buck stops here. Good luck khatumo, seems you haven’t been recognised.

Whoever is leading Khaatumo really messed up and they are either blaming him now, or in future, will discuss this epic L for years to come.


They had Puntland and MJs totally on-board with whatever they wanted. And they could have been chilling for a while until we got one of our own in Villa AMISOM. Puntland literally gave them a blank check, not even mentioning the diaspora qabiil support for their troops.

They would have eventually received recognition AND funding for whatever Ports they needed to be independent. But Khaatumo's leaders got greedy or were always waiting to backstab Puntland. They don't even care or realise that Puntland has always wanted a solid ally. Jubbaland failed us, and Khaatumo failed us.

Now, we will never trust either party, no matter what they say or do.

There are people who actually think, we will allow such groups to carve out Puntland even further. Waa riyoonisiin. Puntland will ofer Warsangeli the President Seat and then all they have to do, is just live their lives. No buuq, no need to build a new port, as they are Reer Bosaso.

If they join Khaatumo, I'd be absolutely shocked, because what kind of maths is that.

 

[Abdisamad]

Whoever is leading Khaatumo really messed up and they are either blaming him now, or in future, will discuss this epic L for years to come.


They had Puntland and MJs totally on-board with whatever they wanted. And they could have been chilling for a while until we got one of our own in Villa AMISOM. Puntland literally gave them a blank check, not even mentioning the diaspora qabiil support for their troops.

They would have eventually received recognition AND funding for whatever Ports they needed to be independent. But Khaatumo's leaders got greedy or were always waiting to backstab Puntland. They don't even care or realise that Puntland has always wanted a solid ally. Jubbaland failed us, and Khaatumo failed us.

Now, we will never trust either party, no matter what they say or do.

There are people who actually think, we will allow such groups to carve out Puntland even further. Waa riyoonisiin. Puntland will ofer Warsangeli the President Seat and then all they have to do, is just live their lives. No buuq, no need to build a new port, as they are Reer Bosaso.

If they join Khaatumo, I'd be absolutely shocked, because what kind of maths is that.

One things for sure there won't be anymore hiil Harti next time when shit hits the fan.. They can call their beloved Qoslaye for assistance

 

[TheLand]

Whoever is leading Khaatumo really messed up and they are either blaming him now, or in future, will discuss this epic L for years to come.


They had Puntland and MJs totally on-board with whatever they wanted. And they could have been chilling for a while until we got one of our own in Villa AMISOM. Puntland literally gave them a blank check, not even mentioning the diaspora qabiil support for their troops.

They would have eventually received recognition AND funding for whatever Ports they needed to be independent. But Khaatumo's leaders got greedy or were always waiting to backstab Puntland. They don't even care or realise that Puntland has always wanted a solid ally. Jubbaland failed us, and Khaatumo failed us.

Now, we will never trust either party, no matter what they say or do.

There are people who actually think, we will allow such groups to carve out Puntland even further. Waa riyoonisiin. Puntland will ofer Warsangeli the President Seat and then all they have to do, is just live their lives. No buuq, no need to build a new port, as they are Reer Bosaso.

If they join Khaatumo, I'd be absolutely shocked, because what kind of maths is that.

I think the bigger issue and root of all this is Aaran Jaan, Diyaano, and all the MJ/DH/Warsan MP’s in Xamar. They are the ones behind all of this, including what Firdiye is doing. I don’t even care about the others but the MJ ones are hell bent on destroying PL so they can be selected in Xamar by Culusow just like the SL MP’s. They know there is no other way they come back in 2026. Diyano right now is trying to start a war in Mudug using PSF. PL needs to do something about him and Aaran Jaan. Those clowns want to lead reer PL someday! They will continue to be the biggest thorn in PL’s side for a while if they aren’t either subjugated or eliminated. PL can’t allow them to become what MX politicians like Fartaag and others have done to their people, but that is what they want! Deni should have mortared the PSF headquarters in Bosaso to rubble a few years ago when he had the chance. No more listening to Burhan Maryobadane. As the saying goes, ‘Daarood marbu qabasho lahaa’…

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

I think the bigger issue and root of all this is Aaran Jaan, Diyaano, and all the MJ/DH/Warsan MP’s in Xamar. They are the ones behind all of this, including what Firdiye is doing. I don’t even care about the others but the MJ ones are hell bent on destroying PL so they can be selected in Xamar by Culusow just like the SL MP’s. They know there is no other way they come back in 2026. Diyano right now is trying to start a war in Mudug using PSF. PL needs to do something about him and Aaran Jaan. Those clowns want to lead reer PL someday! They will continue to be the biggest thorn in PL’s side for a while if they aren’t either subjugated or eliminated. PL can’t allow them to become what MX politicians like Fartaag and others have done to their people, but that is what they want! Deni should have mortared the PSF headquarters in Bosaso to rubble a few years ago when he had the chance. No more listening to Burhan Maryobadane. As the saying goes, ‘Daarood marbu qabasho lahaa’…

Absolutely, no need to speak even about others. That's why I don't really care what these Harti waqooyis Gargurte bootyclappers are doing. We have a lot of shameless MJ sellouts in xamar which I thought would end with Farmaajo eviction from the bunker. They have even increased more with the smiling donkey. Butaano and thee Aaran shaydaans are the biggest enemy to PL. And as you said, you will see these thrash at the next elections without even contributing a penny. Besides Eng Jebiye, all these so called opposition deserve to be shot on sight.

 

[Aurelian]

Are you for real bruv?! I thought you were better than this. Your take on this issue is entirely inappropriate and treasonous. Advocating for your State to be further curved up to please another people is shocking. We've already seen a glimpse of the treacherous nature of SSC Khaatumo in the past few months; signing the invasion of Jubaland, accepting HSM fraudulent constitution, advocating for his illegal elections, etc. Imagine what would they do if they had another 5 districts added to their portfolio, it will literally be a base where Mogadishu can easily attack PL.

Treasonous? Why people speaking like we are part of different countries and nations?. Can't we have nuanced talk about the topic without these rhetoric?

 

[Karim]

Treasonous? Why people speaking like we are part of different countries and nations?. Can't we have nuanced talk about the topic without these rhetoric?

Treason in the legal context within a federal system of governance has two layers, Federal treason and State treason. Let's take U.S as an example:

• Federal Treason:
  In the U.S., federal treason is defined in the Constitution as "levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort". This means actions like participating in war against the U.S. or aiding its enemies can be considered treason.
  
  
• State Treason:
  While federal treason is defined in the Constitution, states may also have their own laws regarding treason against the state government. These laws might address actions like inciting rebellion, conspiracy against the state, or other acts that threaten the state's authority.
• Key Differences:
  The key difference is the target of the treasonous act. Federal treason targets the national government, while state treason targets the government of a specific state.
  
  
  So, if a person says let's give huge portion of the State's land to another State is a treasonous act with huge political and economical repercussions on the State.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

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[Dharbash]

inappropriate and treasonous.

treasonous

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I think the bigger issue and root of all this is Aaran Jaan, Diyaano, and all the MJ/DH/Warsan MP’s in Xamar. They are the ones behind all of this, including what Firdiye is doing. I don’t even care about the others but the MJ ones are hell bent on destroying PL so they can be selected in Xamar by Culusow just like the SL MP’s. They know there is no other way they come back in 2026. Diyano right now is trying to start a war in Mudug using PSF. PL needs to do something about him and Aaran Jaan. Those clowns want to lead reer PL someday! They will continue to be the biggest thorn in PL’s side for a while if they aren’t either subjugated or eliminated. PL can’t allow them to become what MX politicians like Fartaag and others have done to their people, but that is what they want! Deni should have mortared the PSF headquarters in Bosaso to rubble a few years ago when he had the chance. No more listening to Burhan Maryobadane. As the saying goes, ‘Daarood marbu qabasho lahaa’…

Absolutely, no need to speak even about others. That's why I don't really care what these Harti waqooyis Gargurte bootyclappers are doing. We have a lot of shameless MJ sellouts in xamar which I thought would end with Farmaajo eviction from the bunker. They have even increased more with the smiling donkey. Butaano and thee Aaran shaydaans are the biggest enemy to PL. And as you said, you will see these thrash at the next elections without even contributing a penny. Besides Eng Jebiye, all these so called opposition deserve to be shot on sight.

There is a long-standing tradition of MJ horgals attacking their own state and then being rewarded with power. That's why they don't care about being pathetic turncoats, they always get placated at the end. And it started a very long time ago, I guess during the TNG era. These horgals have zero shame, but sadly, they are well-connected and well-armed. We also don't have someone like Abdulahi Yusuf AUN in charge, who would wipe them out or they would be too afraid to try him.

Anyway, let's hope Asad Diyano himself tries something in Galkacyo so that him and his horgal militia get wiped out completely. But I doubt he'll show up, he'll just send other people's sons whilst he chills in Villa AMISOM.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Libaax, this GoodShepherd person ran away from the men on this forum that are supposed to count a few odays from him. No MJ does this, and furthermore, what kind of MJ, would carve out his own state, to appease a state that is being groomed as a weapon against Puntland.

For years there have been people on this forum, mostly Kacaanist, that like to cosplay as MJ, to try to groom us into being puppets for an agenda that is counterproductive. Boqol nigisyo soo xirta, sheekadiina waa hore baa la fahmay.

 

[TheLand]

There is a long-standing tradition of MJ horgals attacking their own state and then being rewarded with power. That's why they don't care about being pathetic turncoats, they always get placated at the end. And it started a very long time ago, I guess during the TNG era. These horgals have zero shame, but sadly, they are well-connected and well-armed. We also don't have someone like Abdulahi Yusuf AUN in charge, who would wipe them out or they would be too afraid to try him.

Anyway, let's hope Asad Diyano himself tries something in Galkacyo so that him and his horgal militia get wiped out completely. But I doubt he'll show up, he'll just send other people's sons whilst he chills in Villa AMISOM.

All Somalis have tons of Horgals but PL is different because it has kept its horgals relatively isolated. That’s why we don’t have guys like Mahad Cambaashe, Fartaag, Marxuum Hamze. Even the ISIS guys were always relatively isolated in the mountains. They must always remain isolated and not be allowed to cause significant destruction.

 

[Libaax-Joore]

Libaax, this GoodShepherd person ran away from the men on this forum that are supposed to count a few odays from him. No MJ does this, and furthermore, what kind of MJ, would carve out his own state, to appease a state that is being groomed as a weapon against Puntland.

For years there have been people on this forum, mostly Kacaanist, that like to cosplay as MJ, to try to groom us into being puppets for an agenda that is counterproductive. Boqol nigisyo soo xirta, sheekadiina waa hore baa la fahmay.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

All Somalis have tons of Horgals but PL is different because it has kept its horgals relatively isolated. That’s why we don’t have guys like Mahad Cambaashe, Fartaag, Marxuum Hamze. Even the ISIS guys were always relatively isolated in the mountains. They must always remain isolated and not be allowed to cause significant destruction.

It's worse with us tbh, our horgals are well-educated and connected. They sit in the highest offices, for example, AaranShaydaan's leader works with Culusow now. Our horgals are so dangerous nobody even notices them half of the time. And they get appeased.

Also, our horgals, will do a few projects and have some principles so they can get away with it. E.g. look at AaranJaan's time in office in PL (Kooxda Faroole).

That's why the best outcome is for these horgals to join the front-lines of their movements and eat dirt.