Expansionist Culture

[Neptune]

Both Somalis and Oromos are expansionists. Many Somalis on here brag of the famed conquest of jubbaland where Somalis expanded south of the Jubba river expelling Oromos to northern Kenya. Nomadic people are expansionists, Bedouin arabs do the same

Comparing Somalis land gains over time to the devastating Oromo expansions is so disingenuous. They are not at all comparable.

 

[El Nino]

Both Somalis and Oromos are expansionists. Many Somalis on here brag of the famed conquest of jubbaland where Somalis expanded south of the Jubba river expelling Oromos to northern Kenya. Nomadic people are expansionists, Bedouin arabs do the same

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[Arabsiyawi]

I think the true weirdos are the violent expansionists who cosplay as somali both irl and on socialmedia to run 50 different psyops on somalis

Yeah you’re ac a retard

 

[balanbalis]

Try not to obsess over Oromos challenge.
Level : Impossible.

So asking about a violent ideology that effects our families is obsession? okay

 

[balanbalis]

Both Somalis and Oromos are expansionists. Many Somalis on here brag of the famed conquest of jubbaland where Somalis expanded south of the Jubba river expelling Oromos to northern Kenya. Nomadic people are expansionists, Bedouin arabs do the same

Somalis arent expansionist, nor as violent or as illogical. We just want Somalis in NFD and Galbeed to be free from occupation.

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[Saleh]

The conquest of NFD of Kenya was us taking back land that we lost to oromos. Not exactly a conquest, just a return.

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[Saleh]

Somalis arent expansionist, nor as violent or as illogical. We just want Somalis in NFD and Galbeed to be free from occupation.

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[Saleh]

Comparing Somalis land gains over time to the devastating Oromo expansions is so disingenuous. They are not at all comparable.

Somali “land gains” VS “devastating Oromo expansion” @Arabsiyawi

 

[Arabsiyawi]

So asking about a violent ideology that effects our families is obsession? okay

You’ve mentioned “Oromo” more than 30 times in your posts since late April. This doesn’t include the ones where you didn’t write it. So yes, obsession.

 

[Gracias]

Somali “land gains” VS “devastating Oromo expansion” @Arabsiyawi View attachment 366394

You’re a weird retard. But I shouldn’t expect much from someone who lives vicariously through a mixed man

 

[Saleh]

You’re a weird retard. But I shouldn’t expect much from someone who lives vicariously through a mixed man

Gracias at game 7 of the ad hominem finals

 

[balanbalis]

You’ve mentioned “Oromo” more than 30 times in your posts since late April. This doesn’t include the ones where you didn’t write it. So yes, obsession.

And half of them was just me discussing culture and politics, i dont go out of my way to hate.

Do you have a crush on me nigga?

Also please press the ignore button on my profile we don't have to interact ever again, I've already done it for you

 

[Shimbiris]

Most post-Neolithic human cultures are expansionist by nature. Basically what happens when you shift into an economic system capable of accumulating resources (grain stores, livestock, money etc.) and depleting those resources (topsoil loss from farming, grazing land degradation from overgrazing). You inevitably must expand and also overshoot your population due to cheap and "easy" agricultural food.

There is also a general expansionist, arguably pathological mindset this way of life creates when given time in human beings that culminates in behaviors like European Settler-Colonialism and concepts like the Lebensbraum among the Nazis. Oromos aren't unique in this; they're just doing what most ethnic groups have been doing since like 9000 BCE. FKD is a global sport.

 

[Idilinaa]

Both Somalis and Oromos are expansionists. Many Somalis on here brag of the famed conquest of jubbaland where Somalis expanded south of the Jubba river expelling Oromos to northern Kenya. Nomadic people are expansionists, Bedouin arabs do the same

That was a reconquest of land that was lost. It also was not a nomadic expansion of any kind.

Somali society expanded in an organized, structured way. The Somali advance into the Juba and Tana river valleys, northern Kenya, and beyond, was not chaotic ' nomadic tribal movement.' It was strategic settlement, targeting fertile lands, controlling trade corridors, developing agriculture, and building vibrant internal markets.

It was the Bardheere Sultans that initiated the military expeditions as well and they were situated on the middle portion of Juba.

The start of reconquest. First campaign:

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Southern Somali speakers lived all the way down to Tana river before the Oromo invasions.

Also sheegad system is a Somali cultural system where you are adopted by another clan if your numbers are small or weakened and you build numbers and resources through that exchange. So when they say client that's what they referring to since most Somalis actually retreated to north of Juba and only small remnant populations remained south of Juba.

The Oromo's expanded into the area in the 1600s from the Borana region of Southern Ethiopia, they weren't there prior to that. So saying it was always oromo is also not accurate at all.

 

[Idilinaa]

That being said. I don’t think what we’re seeing is an expansionist culture or invasive movement into Northern Somalia. It’s more about Oromo's fleeing hardship waa dad masakiin ah oo dhib heysta. Just like many are going to South Africa or using Somalia as a route to the Gulf, it’s about survival, not conquest.

The begging, crime or petty jobs like cutting hair and shoe shining are signs of desperation, not strategy. It’s really a humanitarian issue.

But the burden on Somalia is real. Unlike countries like the U.S. with resources to handle cross border migrations, Somalia is still recovering and we have our southern population to care for which is dealing with displacement from once in a century climate disaster. It’s a tough situation with no simple fix.

 

[Saleh]

It was the Bardheere Sultans that initiated the military expeditions as well and they were situated on the middle portion of Juba.

The conflicts in the 1830s between them and the Oromos are completely unrelated to the darood conquest that took place in 1861. Prior to 1861 there were wars between the Oromo and the garre, In the end, they reconciled, which is why the goobweyne get it name. They agreed that anything south of Juba was theirs and anything north of Juba was for Garre

Somali society expanded in an organized, structured way. The Somali advance into the Juba and Tana river valleys, northern Kenya, and beyond, was not chaotic ' nomadic tribal movement.' It was strategic settlement, targeting fertile lands, controlling trade corridors, developing agriculture, and building vibrant internal markets.

“I did not take your lunch from you, I strategically repossessed your sustenance using aggressive tactics and circumstantial manipulation” ahh response

Southern Somali speakers lived all the way down to Tana river before the Oromo invasions.

They lived as clients or “sheegat” of the Oromo, in the 1860s a famine struck the Oromos weakening them and the Somalis capitalized on the opportunity, they received arms from said barghash and launched a raid in the jubba expelling Oromos to modern day Kenya

Also sheegad system is a Somali cultural system where you are adopted by another clan

The same exact system was used by Oromos before 1861 many Somali speakers lived as shegatos amongst Oromos

The Oromo's expanded into the area in the 1600s from the Borana region of Southern Ethiopia, they weren't there prior to that.

I like you idilina but you posture history to fit an agenda at times, be fair and honest

 

[livinlavish]

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All of hararghe is somali land you silly galla

 

[Neptune]

The conflicts in the 1830s between them and the Oromos are completely unrelated to the darood conquest that took place in 1861. Prior to 1861 there were wars between the Oromo and the garre, In the end, they reconciled, which is why the goobweyne get it name. They agreed that anything south of Juba was theirs and anything north of Juba was for Garre

“I did not take your lunch from you, I strategically repossessed your sustenance using aggressive tactics and circumstantial manipulation” ahh response

They lived as clients or “sheegat” of the Oromo, in the 1860s a famine struck the Oromos weakening them and the Somalis capitalized on the opportunity, they received arms from said barghash and launched a raid in the jubba expelling Oromos to modern day Kenya View attachment 366405



The same exact system was used by Oromos before 1861 many Somali speakers lived as shegatos amongst Oromos View attachment 366406


I like you idilina but you posture history to fit an agenda at times, be fair and honest

Somalis reached the Jubba before Oromos did. Just because it was Somalis from the north that took part in the reconquest does not change anything. It's Somali lands. It's clear you have some sort of bias by refusing to acknowledge this fact.

 

[Saleh]

Somalis reached the Jubba before Oromos did. Just because it was Somalis from the north that took part in the reconquest does not change anything. It's Somali lands. It's clear you have some sort of bias by refusing to acknowledge this fact.

can you provide evidence that somalis lived south of webi jubba before 1861? Because I have provided both oral and written accounts describing the events which took place

 

[Idilinaa]

The conflicts in the 1830s between them and the Oromos are completely unrelated to the darood conquest that took place in 1861. Prior to 1861 there were wars between the Oromo and the garre, In the end, they reconciled, which is why the goobweyne get it name. They agreed that anything south of Juba was theirs and anything north of Juba was for Garre

“I did not take your lunch from you, I strategically repossessed your sustenance using aggressive tactics and circumstantial manipulation” ahh response

They lived as clients or “sheegat” of the Oromo, in the 1860s a famine struck the Oromos weakening them and the Somalis capitalized on the opportunity, they received arms from said barghash and launched a raid in the jubba expelling Oromos to modern day Kenya View attachment 366405



The same exact system was used by Oromos before 1861 many Somali speakers lived as shegatos amongst Oromos View attachment 366406


I like you idilina but you posture history to fit an agenda at times, be fair and honest

Those screenshots literally support what I said. They even state that Somalis “began to cross in small numbers” and expanded through the sheegad system which, by the way, is a Somali institution, not an Oromo one. Somalis were already present north of the Juba, and had relations with the Oromo on the south side before any major raids or expansions even began.

Literally says ''began to cross in Small numbers.. gradually absorbing external aggregates through the sheegad system as they needed new elements to strenghten their position.

The Bardheere Sultans had established amicable relations with the Oromo south of the river prior to launching any military operations in that region.

Once across, they began steadily building up their numbers and resources. And again, the concept of sheegad is Somali it’s a Somali clan system for incorporating outsiders or individuals without a strong clan base. It's not an Oromo system. Most Somalis had retreated north during the Oromo expansion in the 1600s, leaving behind a small number who were later joined by a steady influx of newcomers.

And let’s clarify: the Bardheere Sultans were not Garre. They led a coalition of Somali clans under the leadership of shaykhs, engaging in military campaigns and frequently joined by other Somali groups. These were coordinated operations, not isolated clan-based actions.


As for the Darood, yes they were involved, but it wasn’t a ''Darood only'' expansion. It was a multi-clan movement, once again rooted in the sheegad system, which allowed various clans to unify under a shared agenda.

This is even acknowledged in one of the reports:
''Yet the Somalis of various tribes and sub-tribes cooperated at the expense of non-Somalis"

The idea that the first to cross were exclusively Darood is misleading. In fact, the sources themselves admit that it's difficult to pinpoint exactly 'who'' the first-comers were.


''It's is not easy to determine the precise identity of these first-comers, for as so often happened , the Somalis when faced with the possibility of effective opposition tended to abandon for the the moment their tribal individualities and by submitting themselves for the nonce to the temporary sovereignity of the most influential tribe amongst them, to acquire a unity they would not otherwise have been able to command"

And further:

''In this way numbers of Hawiyah as well as Ogaden, in undertaking the nex great move westwards, groupwed themselves under the banner of the Mohamed Zubeir.. All that one can safely say is that the first-comers were either Mohamed Zubeir or Shegats of the Mohamed Zubeir or were Ogaden or were Hawiyah or even Harti passing themselves off as Mohamed Zubeir."

So not only was this expansion multi-clan, but it was also strategically structured and economically driven. Different clans were brought in for different roles: some to develop coastal trade, others to control the caravan routes, some to utilize grazing lands, establish interior markets, and others to develop farmland and agriculture.