Every mans nightmare

[Jaydaan]

People did not have dna tests in those days and you needed 4 witnesses. That is why they had this ruling.

The only way for you to reject the child is through Li'aan in which you swear that if you are lying that the curse of Allah befalls you or the person lying. Therefore, you needed to be 100% certain.

After speaking to sheikh this is true. The man has to swear iys not his to relief the responsibility from himself otherwise kid is his

 

[Inquisitive_]

People did not have dna tests in those days and you needed 4 witnesses. That is why they had this ruling.

The only way for you to reject the child is through Li'aan in which you swear that if you are lying that the curse of Allah befalls you or the person lying. Therefore, you needed to be 100% certain.

You seem to have misunderstood the hadith and the only time the husband is mentioned is in brackets, the statement itself doesn't, it says belongs to the "bed"

The child being attributed to the "bed" is ambiguous and not clear cut, if anything when I first read it, my interpretation was either the mother or the one she cheated with, certainly not the one who was cheated on.

Clear texts always take precedence over ambiguous ones, there was no way of proving this in the past but we have methods of proving this today.

May Allah protect us from this ever happening to us or our loved ones.

 

[Dino]

Nicely done. Very cruel and evil of the man to walk away from the son who he created a bond with out of spite for the women. He should offer to be at least an uncle.

Spite? The woman betrayed his trust and you are talking spite?

How old are you really?

 

[Dino]

HalimaJ

Seriously leave it. You don't know what you are talking about.

A child born out of wedlock in Islam due to zina cannot even inherit from the biological father leta alone claim lineage.

So never mind a man who disowns a child because he is no longer the biological father

 

[Sophisticate]

Smart move Sophie, just don’t discuss it over the phone with your hitman, there was a story on dateline about this lol

I personally would do the the crime myself, it’s a lot cleaner and less people involved.

We think alike. I don't mind being a black widow but not being in a quartet. Also divorce isn't an option.

What's the most untraceable mode of communication?

 

[saredochani10]

May Allah protect us from this ever happening to us or our loved ones.

Ameen !

 

[Desert Flower]

I think I saw that same thread

The father is (was) a coward for sticking around and holding a grudge. You either get over it, or collect your testicles and walk away.

I have noticed reddit is insane. Any time a thread like that pops up, they urge the 'father' to separate from the mother, but continue parenting the child. Regardless of age.

Basement dwellers

 

[PhySom]

Sad for the child especially. He lost his dad and will never get a dad back .

If this happened to me I would probably raise the child apart.

 

[NotMyL]

We think alike. I don't mind being a black widow but not being in a quartet. Also divorce isn't an option.

What's the most untraceable mode of communication?

Lol there is no such a thing as untraceable mode of communication unless you’re meeting in person but how would you schedule that meet? As long as there is signal involved your communication will be traced what you want is a phone that can’t be traced to you, I have watched and listened to enough crime podcasts to know the best way to do this is find yourself a phone that will not be linked to you.

 

[AliUK]

This is less common in our community, I can’t picture a xalimo being that conniving. I did hear couple of stories from back home tho, poor guy finds out the kid is not his when they are taking DNA test to bring them to the west, imagine the horror.

Bless your innocent heart. A Somali dude in the states was a truck driver who find out either 4/4 or 3/4 of his children was his,mad ting.

Worse thing is if it is 3/4 he still has a connection to that skanky hoe.

 

[Sophisticate]

Lol there is no such a thing as untraceable mode of communication unless you’re meeting in person but how would you schedule that meet? As long as there is signal involved your communication will be traced what you want is a phone that can’t be traced to you, I have watched and listened to enough crime podcasts to know the best way to do this is find yourself a phone that will not be linked to you.

Oh, rats. Maybe we can ask @Farhiya 687 to lend us her powers of mind control and get a Samaritan to do an accidental hit and run.

Free of charge and untraceable. It will look like an accident and we get no dembi.

 

[Farhiya 687]

Oh, rats. Maybe we can ask @Farhiya 687 to lend us her powers of mind control and get a Samaritan to do an accidental hit and run.

Free of charge and untraceable. It will look like an accident and we get no dembi.

I got you.

 

[Muji]

HalimaJ

Seriously leave it. You don't know what you are talking about.

A child born out of wedlock in Islam due to zina cannot even inherit from the biological father leta alone claim lineage.

So never mind a man who disowns a child because he is no longer the biological father

So the child is punished for the mothers supposed mistakes??? How does that make sense. Good thing we have British law which will force you to pay if you’re on the birth certificate.

 

[HalimaJ]

HalimaJ

Seriously leave it. You don't know what you are talking about.

A child born out of wedlock in Islam due to zina cannot even inherit from the biological father leta alone claim lineage.

So never mind a man who disowns a child because he is no longer the biological father

Non of us know what we are talking about which is why i referred to IslamQa and Islamweb. That is what those sheiks are saying. I have no authority, nor do you@Jaydaan asked his local sheikh and he too said its true. So Dino, what is your problem?

Also, he can only disown him through L'ian which I have mentioned. If he doesn't the child is attributed to him, even if the mother is certain the child isn't the husbands.

Also, @Samaalic Era stop qashining my post. Take it up with Islamqa and Islamweb and the sheikh that Jaydaan went to.

I am merely a layman.

 

[HalimaJ]

After speaking to sheikh this is true. The man has to swear iys not his to relief the responsibility from himself otherwise kid is his

Thanks Jaydaan. I don't know why everyone is getting emotional or acting like I am making stuff up, when I am just reading up on this.

 

[HalimaJ]

You seem to have misunderstood the hadith and the only time the husband is mentioned is in brackets, the statement itself doesn't, it says belongs to the "bed"

The child being attributed to the "bed" is ambiguous and not clear cut, if anything when I first read it, my interpretation was either the mother or the one she cheated with, certainly not the one who was cheated on.

Clear texts always take precedence over ambiguous ones, there was no way of proving this in the past but we have methods of proving this today.

May Allah protect us from this ever happening to us or our loved ones.

I didn't interpret anything. I refrain from interpreting as I am not knowledgeable on Islamic fiqh. I merely copied and pasted the interpretation of Islamqa scholars.

They do not see it as ambiguous.

As for the child, he is to be named after your husband, and that is not cancelled out unless he rejects the child by means of li’an (an Islamic procedure in which a man denies a child being his), because the basic principle is that the child belongs to the marital bed, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/95024


Is this ambiguous???

 

[Dino]

So the child is punished for the mothers supposed mistakes??? How does that make sense. Good thing we have British law which will force you to pay if you’re on the birth certificate.

a mistake is me ballsing up project deadlines. Having an affair and then fooling your husband into thinking the child is his when it is not is not a mistake. Get that holo mentality from your head

British law is not on your side either. Ever heard of paternity fraud? yeah. Another thing for resident halimos to learn. Don't ever think you can defraud a man even if his name is on that certificate

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/apr/04/law.world

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...sons-not-biologically-20-years-calls-mystery/

 

[Degmada waaberi]

I didn't interpret anything. I refrain from interpreting as I am not knowledgeable on Islamic fiqh. I merely copied and pasted the interpretation of Islamqa scholars.

They do not see it as ambiguous.

As for the child, he is to be named after your husband, and that is not cancelled out unless he rejects the child by means of li’an (an Islamic procedure in which a man denies a child being his), because the basic principle is that the child belongs to the marital bed, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/95024


Is this ambiguous???

Regardless of what any sheikh says there's no way on earth I'm going to bring up another man's child

We have DNA tests and once that's done and the child turns out not to me mine than next step would be divorce her and let her find that child's father

May Allah (swt) save us from such a thing

 

[bluebird]

HalimaJ

Seriously leave it. You don't know what you are talking about.

A child born out of wedlock in Islam due to zina cannot even inherit from the biological father leta alone claim lineage.

So never mind a man who disowns a child because he is no longer the biological father

Shes right. Even look what this sheikh on islamweb says

“As regards the daughter, you have nothing to do with her at all; she should be attributed to the husband of the woman because he is the owner of the bed. The Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, said: "The child is for (i.e. traced back to) the owner of the bed (i.e. the legitimate husband)." [Al-Bukhari and Muslim] For further information see Fatwa 84301. Besides, financial expenses of this daughter and nurturing her are the responsibility of her father. Therefore, you have to break off your relationship completely with this family, so that it would not be a reason to encourage you to commit adultery again with this woman.”


I know you guys don’t like it but I’m sure it’s to protect the child

 

[bluebird]

I didn't interpret anything. I refrain from interpreting as I am not knowledgeable on Islamic fiqh. I merely copied and pasted the interpretation of Islamqa scholars.

They do not see it as ambiguous.

As for the child, he is to be named after your husband, and that is not cancelled out unless he rejects the child by means of li’an (an Islamic procedure in which a man denies a child being his), because the basic principle is that the child belongs to the marital bed, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/95024


Is this ambiguous???

It’s not ambiguous at all but these guys only like traditional opinions when it benefits them and women have to follow it, when it comes to them they start doing their own interpretations this is what the scholars of islam say fellas, read it and weep